Renton 22409 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Fact is, people like Renton - and he denies it now - have said that the club was run by shit directors who had "no plan" - and disagreed with me when I said the only "plan" that counts is backing your manager and buying the quality players, and you can't "plan" availability of quality players. Leazes, prove that I ever talked about a 'plan' . If you can't then just accept you're talking about somebody else, Baggio most probably. I'm far more inclined to agree with your viewpoint than his as it happens. In fact regarding football matters, we have generally agreed with the exception of the Hall family and Shepherd. What irritates me most is your never-ending repetition of cherry picked 'facts' regarding Shepherd's tenure, do you never get sick of repeating it every second post? I'm also getting sick of your general pettiness and insults, it's a fruitless exercise discussing anything with you as a result. I do however suspect your obvious dislike of me stems from topics on the general chat board rather than anything about football, probably something to do with your old mate HTL, because that's when it started. So if you can't stop misrepresenting me or insulting me, please just don't bother responding. It's easy enough. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...5881&st=120 see post number 120 Is that the best you could do? How long did it take you to dredge up that? For those that can't be arsed to look at that thread, it dates back to May 2006 when Shepherd had just appointed Roeder as his permanent choice of manager. I argued in it that it would be wise to 'plan' our next managerial appointments in advance, rather than sack them first and see who is available. I cite the employment of Souness and Roeder as good examples of the consequences of using the latter strategy (and of course since then Ashley has repeated the same mistake by dismissing Allardyce and Keegan and look who we have ended up with - Joe fucking Kinnear). Interestingly in that thread, not only does Leazes support the policy of 'sack now, worry about the manager later', he supports the employment of Roeder; and whereas myself and Alex are the main critics of Shepherd, I don't recall either of us writing 'I told you so posts' a year later when it all goes tits up. Oh, and hilariously Leazes himself is the only person who harps on about a 'five year plan' and is clearly desperate for a fight, as usual. In fact Leazes, you come across incredibly bad in that thread, if I were you I would have kept it in the past. P.S. Whatever happened to Dotbum and LuckyPierre (aka Gibbon). Good posters. you asked me to find where you referred to "planning". I knew you had, so there it is. From that point on you make more references in that thread. Just admit you were wrong instead of looking like a prat. FWIW, it didn't take long but I'm not that arsed enough to look for more. I thought you were giving up the football chat anyway. Or is it that you can't resist trying to outpoint me Irony! The fucking brass neck of you man. I apologise if this is what you meant by 'planning'. For me planning to replace the incumbent manger before sacking him should be as natural as planning to buy your ingredients before cooking your dinner. Not for you though, obviously. I actually thought you might be referring to a longer term type of planning, like this mysterious five year plan you keep talking about. To be honest I haven't even got a clue what the fuck you are talking about with reference to that. Did I say I was giving up Football chat? Perhaps that's another post you'd like to dredge up. Wht does it bother you anyway? If you don't like my posts, then stop fucking replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Fact is, people like Renton - and he denies it now - have said that the club was run by shit directors who had "no plan" - and disagreed with me when I said the only "plan" that counts is backing your manager and buying the quality players, and you can't "plan" availability of quality players. Leazes, prove that I ever talked about a 'plan' . If you can't then just accept you're talking about somebody else, Baggio most probably. I'm far more inclined to agree with your viewpoint than his as it happens. In fact regarding football matters, we have generally agreed with the exception of the Hall family and Shepherd. What irritates me most is your never-ending repetition of cherry picked 'facts' regarding Shepherd's tenure, do you never get sick of repeating it every second post? I'm also getting sick of your general pettiness and insults, it's a fruitless exercise discussing anything with you as a result. I do however suspect your obvious dislike of me stems from topics on the general chat board rather than anything about football, probably something to do with your old mate HTL, because that's when it started. So if you can't stop misrepresenting me or insulting me, please just don't bother responding. It's easy enough. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...5881&st=120 see post number 120 Is that the best you could do? How long did it take you to dredge up that? For those that can't be arsed to look at that thread, it dates back to May 2006 when Shepherd had just appointed Roeder as his permanent choice of manager. I argued in it that it would be wise to 'plan' our next managerial appointments in advance, rather than sack them first and see who is available. I cite the employment of Souness and Roeder as good examples of the consequences of using the latter strategy (and of course since then Ashley has repeated the same mistake by dismissing Allardyce and Keegan and look who we have ended up with - Joe fucking Kinnear). Interestingly in that thread, not only does Leazes support the policy of 'sack now, worry about the manager later', he supports the employment of Roeder; and whereas myself and Alex are the main critics of Shepherd, I don't recall either of us writing 'I told you so posts' a year later when it all goes tits up. Oh, and hilariously Leazes himself is the only person who harps on about a 'five year plan' and is clearly desperate for a fight, as usual. In fact Leazes, you come across incredibly bad in that thread, if I were you I would have kept it in the past. P.S. Whatever happened to Dotbum and LuckyPierre (aka Gibbon). Good posters. you asked me to find where you referred to "planning". I knew you had, so there it is. From that point on you make more references in that thread. Just admit you were wrong instead of looking like a prat. FWIW, it didn't take long but I'm not that arsed enough to look for more. I thought you were giving up the football chat anyway. Or is it that you can't resist trying to outpoint me Irony! The fucking brass neck of you man. I apologise if this is what you meant by 'planning'. For me planning to replace the incumbent manger before sacking him should be as natural as planning to buy your ingredients before cooking your dinner. Not for you though, obviously. I actually thought you might be referring to a longer term type of planning, like this mysterious five year plan you keep talking about. To be honest I haven't even got a clue what the fuck you are talking about with reference to that. Did I say I was giving up Football chat? Perhaps that's another post you'd like to dredge up. Wht does it bother you anyway? If you don't like my posts, then stop fucking replying. just give it up man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22409 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Give what up? I'm genuinely curious about why you think it is a good idea to sack a manager before lining up a replacement and to know what you are talking about when you refer to a five year plan, and why I would endorse this when I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Please, enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Give what up? I'm genuinely curious about why you think it is a good idea to sack a manager before lining up a replacement and to know what you are talking about when you refer to a five year plan, and why I would endorse this when I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Please, enlighten me. I'd rather give this up.......you said you hadn't mentioned "planning", and now I've shown that you have, quite a lot too FWIW, if you open your eyes, you will see quite a lot of clubs actually sack managers without having managers lined up ready to replace them. And appoint number 2's, Chelsea have done it once or twice lately Continue to think otherwise if you like. We actually "planned" to appoint Allardyce BTW, it didn't work out, but we are talking about a principle here. Continue to think otherwise - again, if you like. I'm sure that someone as smart as you can't possibly be wrong, even when the facts are obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22409 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Give what up? I'm genuinely curious about why you think it is a good idea to sack a manager before lining up a replacement and to know what you are talking about when you refer to a five year plan, and why I would endorse this when I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Please, enlighten me. I'd rather give this up.......you said you hadn't mentioned "planning", and now I've shown that you have, quite a lot too FWIW, if you open your eyes, you will see quite a lot of clubs actually sack managers without having managers lined up ready to replace them. And appoint number 2's, Chelsea have done it once or twice lately Continue to think otherwise if you like. We actually "planned" to appoint Allardyce BTW, it didn't work out, but we are talking about a principle here. Continue to think otherwise - again, if you like. I'm sure that someone as smart as you can't possibly be wrong, even when the facts are obvious. This is true but is doesn't make it a good idea. I also appreciate Allardyce was planned, but I never claimed it guaranteed success. I just think that it gives you a better chance of success, and it would avoid desperate measures like employing Souness or JFK, which have all but killed this club. So yeah, if by 'planning' you meant looking towards the next manager before sacking the present one, then yes, I'm guilty as charged. I'm literally staggered you are seemingly arguing that this is a bad idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14230 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Aye because sacking managers on a whim has worked out brilliantly for Chelsea with all those trophies they're pipping Man United to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadrian 0 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Aye because sacking managers on a whim has worked out brilliantly for Chelsea with all those trophies they're pipping Man United to. they have more of a chance of silverware this year under hiddink than under scolari , and avram grant had a better win record than jose ..... its hardly affected them , who's to say they were never gonna be second best to manure the past few seasons anyway ? they needed investment in the window before jose left , and didnt get it . always maintained there is no point sticking with a manger if he isnt the right one , the longer you keep them in the job the more damage they do to the team , allerdyce had brainwashed the lads , and JFK is carring on the torch . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Aye because sacking managers on a whim has worked out brilliantly for Chelsea with all those trophies they're pipping Man United to. they have more of a chance of silverware this year under hiddink than under scolari , and avram grant had a better win record than jose ..... its hardly affected them , who's to say they were never gonna be second best to manure the past few seasons anyway ? they needed investment in the window before jose left , and didnt get it . always maintained there is no point sticking with a manger if he isnt the right one , the longer you keep them in the job the more damage they do to the team , allerdyce had brainwashed the lads , and JFK is carring on the torch . is the correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22409 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Aye because sacking managers on a whim has worked out brilliantly for Chelsea with all those trophies they're pipping Man United to. they have more of a chance of silverware this year under hiddink than under scolari , and avram grant had a better win record than jose ..... its hardly affected them , who's to say they were never gonna be second best to manure the past few seasons anyway ? they needed investment in the window before jose left , and didnt get it . always maintained there is no point sticking with a manger if he isnt the right one , the longer you keep them in the job the more damage they do to the team , allerdyce had brainwashed the lads , and JFK is carring on the torch . is the correct answer.... ...... to a different question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Aye because sacking managers on a whim has worked out brilliantly for Chelsea with all those trophies they're pipping Man United to. they have more of a chance of silverware this year under hiddink than under scolari , and avram grant had a better win record than jose ..... its hardly affected them , who's to say they were never gonna be second best to manure the past few seasons anyway ? they needed investment in the window before jose left , and didnt get it . always maintained there is no point sticking with a manger if he isnt the right one , the longer you keep them in the job the more damage they do to the team , allerdyce had brainwashed the lads , and JFK is carring on the torch . is the correct answer.... ...... to a different question. no it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22409 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Aye because sacking managers on a whim has worked out brilliantly for Chelsea with all those trophies they're pipping Man United to. they have more of a chance of silverware this year under hiddink than under scolari , and avram grant had a better win record than jose ..... its hardly affected them , who's to say they were never gonna be second best to manure the past few seasons anyway ? they needed investment in the window before jose left , and didnt get it . always maintained there is no point sticking with a manger if he isnt the right one , the longer you keep them in the job the more damage they do to the team , allerdyce had brainwashed the lads , and JFK is carring on the torch . is the correct answer.... ...... to a different question. no it isn't. It's the answer to a 'when' question rather than a 'how to' question. I also agree with Hadrian, who wouldn't though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21492 Posted March 9, 2009 Author Share Posted March 9, 2009 Ive been looking into wage bills and ours is a reported £70 - £75m which is a fucking LOT. The highest wage bills in the Championship are Birmingham and Sheff Utd on around £12.5 - £15m. Sheff United couldnt keep hold of Beattie as his wages were too high!! Were fucked, Ashley must be shitting himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14021 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Ashley and Llambias aren't ''even considering relegation'' unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Aye because sacking managers on a whim has worked out brilliantly for Chelsea with all those trophies they're pipping Man United to. they have more of a chance of silverware this year under hiddink than under scolari , and avram grant had a better win record than jose ..... its hardly affected them , who's to say they were never gonna be second best to manure the past few seasons anyway ? they needed investment in the window before jose left , and didnt get it . always maintained there is no point sticking with a manger if he isnt the right one , the longer you keep them in the job the more damage they do to the team , allerdyce had brainwashed the lads , and JFK is carring on the torch . is the correct answer.... ...... to a different question. no it isn't. It's the answer to a 'when' question rather than a 'how to' question. I also agree with Hadrian, who wouldn't though? wriggling and wriggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22409 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Aye because sacking managers on a whim has worked out brilliantly for Chelsea with all those trophies they're pipping Man United to. they have more of a chance of silverware this year under hiddink than under scolari , and avram grant had a better win record than jose ..... its hardly affected them , who's to say they were never gonna be second best to manure the past few seasons anyway ? they needed investment in the window before jose left , and didnt get it . always maintained there is no point sticking with a manger if he isnt the right one , the longer you keep them in the job the more damage they do to the team , allerdyce had brainwashed the lads , and JFK is carring on the torch . is the correct answer.... ...... to a different question. no it isn't. It's the answer to a 'when' question rather than a 'how to' question. I also agree with Hadrian, who wouldn't though? wriggling and wriggling What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Ive been looking into wage bills and ours is a reported £70 - £75m which is a fucking LOT. The highest wage bills in the Championship are Birmingham and Sheff Utd on around £12.5 - £15m. Sheff United couldnt keep hold of Beattie as his wages were too high!! Were fucked, Ashley must be shitting himself! And there's a good reason for that. It'll be an utter disaster if we go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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