IF We go down

[Guest alex]

And Cacapa's out of contract in the summer

[manc-mag 1]

And Cacapa's out of contract in the summer

 

Well if that's so then thats a happy coincidence and all the better.

 

The point is you want as few of these mongs lurking around in the background on mega money as possible when you're bringing new blood in.

[Tooj 17]

I'm not sure who we would keep (or want to) to be honest.

 

We would also probably get a steady 40'000 + fans I reckon which would pay high Championship wages.

I don't know like Tom. I think going down and having Ashley still controlling the club might see a bigger dip in crowds than that.

 

I suppose you would bet the bastard wouldn't budge on ticket prices either.

 

I still think we would a solid crowd though.

Would you start going then?

[Renton 22414]

I'm not sure who we would keep (or want to) to be honest.

 

We would also probably get a steady 40'000 + fans I reckon which would pay high Championship wages.

I don't know like Tom. I think going down and having Ashley still controlling the club might see a bigger dip in crowds than that.

 

no, that can't be right, diehards like mick on NO - insist that the absolute priority is to sort out our finances, the poor dear obviously thinks we will still get 50,000 crowds like we always did.

 

I don't think there is much doubt that if we spend 2-3 years down in the lower league that 52,000 stadium of ours will be half full.

 

That will be great for the finances won't it.

I think we probably both agree the finances needed sorting out, but not at the expense (pardon the pun) of everything else, including the first XI. If Ashley was really arsed about having fun, competing and so on - why put all his eggs in one basket? He could have easily set aside some of the money he's spent on paying off the debt on new players. He could have still pursued his aim of getting the wage bill down etc. There seems something more sinister to me about what is going on than just him doing this for the long-term good of the club (probably to make us easier to sell in his eyes).

 

That's how I would describe it, watching the season unfold feels like a shitty series of dream team. It's hard to believe a successful business man like Ashley could be this incompetent with one of his main assets. It feels to me like there is some ulterior motive here, although I haven't got a clue what.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'm not sure who we would keep (or want to) to be honest.

 

We would also probably get a steady 40'000 + fans I reckon which would pay high Championship wages.

I don't know like Tom. I think going down and having Ashley still controlling the club might see a bigger dip in crowds than that.

 

no, that can't be right, diehards like mick on NO - insist that the absolute priority is to sort out our finances, the poor dear obviously thinks we will still get 50,000 crowds like we always did.

 

I don't think there is much doubt that if we spend 2-3 years down in the lower league that 52,000 stadium of ours will be half full.

 

That will be great for the finances won't it.

I think we probably both agree the finances needed sorting out, but not at the expense (pardon the pun) of everything else, including the first XI. If Ashley was really arsed about having fun, competing and so on - why put all his eggs in one basket? He could have easily set aside some of the money he's spent on paying off the debt on new players. He could have still pursued his aim of getting the wage bill down etc. There seems something more sinister to me about what is going on than just him doing this for the long-term good of the club (probably to make us easier to sell in his eyes).

 

of course he could, just lately I've become tired of saying this stuff to the usual morons over on there, who are either totally thick or just too moronic to admit what is becoming more and more obvious. I agree that there will be sting in the tail yet that we won't find out until he's good and ready ie when the club is sold ref this "paying off the debt business", which like a lot of stories that have came out of the club, one day its been paid, the next it hasn't been paid.

 

We'll never know what his original intentions were, but I've thought for a while that he just looked at the 52000 crowds, thought like a lot of people that we had always had those crowds and/or they were here to stay, and thought that he would take that, spend less and create a nice little profiteable and saleable business.

 

He's been bitten well and truly on the arse, and sadly a lot of us that don't deserve it have been dragged along because we have no choice, whereas some tosspots actually do deserve a cretin like Ashley.

 

For someone like me, its a huge blow [rather than be "pleased to be right"] because the last thing I want at my age is for the next 10 years or more to be like the late 70's and 80's again.

[Ketsbaia 0]

I'm not sure who we would keep (or want to) to be honest.

 

We would also probably get a steady 40'000 + fans I reckon which would pay high Championship wages.

I don't know like Tom. I think going down and having Ashley still controlling the club might see a bigger dip in crowds than that.

 

no, that can't be right, diehards like mick on NO - insist that the absolute priority is to sort out our finances, the poor dear obviously thinks we will still get 50,000 crowds like we always did.

 

I don't think there is much doubt that if we spend 2-3 years down in the lower league that 52,000 stadium of ours will be half full.

 

That will be great for the finances won't it.

I think we probably both agree the finances needed sorting out, but not at the expense (pardon the pun) of everything else, including the first XI. If Ashley was really arsed about having fun, competing and so on - why put all his eggs in one basket? He could have easily set aside some of the money he's spent on paying off the debt on new players. He could have still pursued his aim of getting the wage bill down etc. There seems something more sinister to me about what is going on than just him doing this for the long-term good of the club (probably to make us easier to sell in his eyes).

 

That's how I would describe it, watching the season unfold feels like a shitty series of dream team. It's hard to believe a successful business man like Ashley could be this incompetent with one of his main assets. It feels to me like there is some ulterior motive here, although I haven't got a clue what.

 

He's like the baddy out of a Bond film. Looks normal but underneath you know that his heart is as black of coal. Wise is Oddjob.

Edited March 5, 2009 by Ketsbaia

[Asprilla 96]

I'm not sure who we would keep (or want to) to be honest.

 

We would also probably get a steady 40'000 + fans I reckon which would pay high Championship wages.

I don't know like Tom. I think going down and having Ashley still controlling the club might see a bigger dip in crowds than that.

 

no, that can't be right, diehards like mick on NO - insist that the absolute priority is to sort out our finances, the poor dear obviously thinks we will still get 50,000 crowds like we always did.

 

I don't think there is much doubt that if we spend 2-3 years down in the lower league that 52,000 stadium of ours will be half full.

 

That will be great for the finances won't it.

I think we probably both agree the finances needed sorting out, but not at the expense (pardon the pun) of everything else, including the first XI. If Ashley was really arsed about having fun, competing and so on - why put all his eggs in one basket? He could have easily set aside some of the money he's spent on paying off the debt on new players. He could have still pursued his aim of getting the wage bill down etc. There seems something more sinister to me about what is going on than just him doing this for the long-term good of the club (probably to make us easier to sell in his eyes).

 

 

Yep, if this is his idea of "fun" then he's mental. I suppose if you were beaten up as a kid by some toon fans though..... /conspiracy]

[Tom 14021]

I'm not sure who we would keep (or want to) to be honest.

 

We would also probably get a steady 40'000 + fans I reckon which would pay high Championship wages.

I don't know like Tom. I think going down and having Ashley still controlling the club might see a bigger dip in crowds than that.

 

I suppose you would bet the bastard wouldn't budge on ticket prices either.

 

I still think we would a solid crowd though.

Would you start going then?

 

Would probably hope to pick up a cheaper S/T.

 

Go plenty for a non S/T btw

[Fop 1]

The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them.

 

Yup it was just so much better before the big money.

 

 

A workmanlike Championship selling club.

 

I'm talking about players coming here because they want to play for a particular manager/a developing football team-as opposed to coming here simply to put another 20k on their weekly salary.

 

Wrong of you to assume I'm saying strong finances and player ambition are mutually exclusive concepts too by the way. Clearly I don't say that.

 

And how is getting relegated going to help any of that?

 

 

Read my original post. In the context of a thread speculating what will happen if we go down, I decided I would try and be positive about one particular issue, which I see as being important.

 

Relegation is likely to bring an end to several, utterly absurd contracts, meaning that when we start negotiating new deals (as we must) we can do this by offering terms which better serve the interests of the club. In doing so so it is far easier to make it clear to incoming players that, similarly, they are here to serve the interests of the club. To wit, that there be more emphasis on this aspect of the transaction than the fuck-off sky high weekly salary routinely on offer which has made us a complete anomoly amongst the bottom half clubs, without any marked progress for several years, and which gives the new player every indication that we are a total fucking joke.

 

I'm not glorying in going down, but if you can't grasp this positive from it then you might as well consign us to the first and then the second division an all. Spending big as we go though, if that offers any consollation to you.

 

 

If we go down there are no "positives", only negatives of varying degrees of disastrousness.

 

 

Like I said what you are suggesting is just as ridiculous as knocking down your house wall because you don't like the colour of the wall paper...... yes in the end you get rid of the problematic wallpaper, but at the same time you bring yourself a whole boat load of much, much worse issues.

 

 

 

 

Reducing the wage bill gains the club nothing if we've just had our revenue slashed, our ability to recruit players castrated and we've still got the same muppets in charge that brought us to this point.... and this time there'll be no John Hall and Keegan (and a burgeoning era of 90's optimism) to bring us back.

[manc-mag 1]

The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them.

 

Yup it was just so much better before the big money.

 

 

A workmanlike Championship selling club.

 

I'm talking about players coming here because they want to play for a particular manager/a developing football team-as opposed to coming here simply to put another 20k on their weekly salary.

 

Wrong of you to assume I'm saying strong finances and player ambition are mutually exclusive concepts too by the way. Clearly I don't say that.

 

And how is getting relegated going to help any of that?

 

 

Read my original post. In the context of a thread speculating what will happen if we go down, I decided I would try and be positive about one particular issue, which I see as being important.

 

Relegation is likely to bring an end to several, utterly absurd contracts, meaning that when we start negotiating new deals (as we must) we can do this by offering terms which better serve the interests of the club. In doing so so it is far easier to make it clear to incoming players that, similarly, they are here to serve the interests of the club. To wit, that there be more emphasis on this aspect of the transaction than the fuck-off sky high weekly salary routinely on offer which has made us a complete anomoly amongst the bottom half clubs, without any marked progress for several years, and which gives the new player every indication that we are a total fucking joke.

 

I'm not glorying in going down, but if you can't grasp this positive from it then you might as well consign us to the first and then the second division an all. Spending big as we go though, if that offers any consollation to you.

 

 

If we go down there are no "positives", only negatives of varying degrees of disastrousness.

 

 

Like I said what you are suggesting is just as ridiculous as knocking down your house wall because you don't like the colour of the wall paper...... yes in the end you get rid of the problematic wallpaper, but at the same time you bring yourself a whole boat load of much, much worse issues.

 

 

 

 

Reducing the wage bill gains the club nothing if we've just had our revenue slashed, our ability to recruit players castrated and we've still got the same muppets in charge that brought us to this point.... and this time there'll be no John Hall and Keegan (and a burgeoning era of 90's optimism) to bring us back.

 

 

The bit in bold is total semantics.

 

The rest of your post pertains to a view that you have wrongly attributed to me so I won't waste my breath. You already know my view is that you suffer from a mental defect (at the very least a defect of reason) so I'll leave it at that.

Edited March 5, 2009 by manc-mag

[LeazesMag 0]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

[manc-mag 1]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

[Deano 0]

If we go down i could well see our team looking a bit like...

 

---Harper/Krul---

R.Taylor---S.Taylor---Bassong---Kadar

Lua-lua---Nolan---Guthrie---Godsmark

Carroll---Baheng

 

Out...

 

Beye, Coloccini, Geremi, Cacapa, Enrique, Gutierrez, Barton, Duff, Smith, Owen, Viduka, Martins and Xisco.

 

Out of them i think there is a chance the likes of Beye, Barton and Smith could stay and i think all have the right attitude.

 

Staying...

 

Harper, Krul, Forster, Soderberg, Taylor's, Bassong, Edgar, Tozer, Kadar, Lua-lua, Nolan, Butt, Guthrie, Godsmark, Baheng, Carroll, Vukcic.

 

Alot of youth but maybe it would give them there chance to step up?

 

The wage bill would be ALOT smaller and id imagine we'd get quite a bit of moolah for the outgoings, some of which would be spent on CHAMPIONSHIP players and the rest to help ease the runnin costs and to pay this fuckin loan back to MA.

 

Hope to god it dont happen though.

[Fop 1]

The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them.

 

Yup it was just so much better before the big money.

 

 

A workmanlike Championship selling club.

 

I'm talking about players coming here because they want to play for a particular manager/a developing football team-as opposed to coming here simply to put another 20k on their weekly salary.

 

Wrong of you to assume I'm saying strong finances and player ambition are mutually exclusive concepts too by the way. Clearly I don't say that.

 

And how is getting relegated going to help any of that?

 

 

Read my original post. In the context of a thread speculating what will happen if we go down, I decided I would try and be positive about one particular issue, which I see as being important.

 

Relegation is likely to bring an end to several, utterly absurd contracts, meaning that when we start negotiating new deals (as we must) we can do this by offering terms which better serve the interests of the club. In doing so so it is far easier to make it clear to incoming players that, similarly, they are here to serve the interests of the club. To wit, that there be more emphasis on this aspect of the transaction than the fuck-off sky high weekly salary routinely on offer which has made us a complete anomoly amongst the bottom half clubs, without any marked progress for several years, and which gives the new player every indication that we are a total fucking joke.

 

I'm not glorying in going down, but if you can't grasp this positive from it then you might as well consign us to the first and then the second division an all. Spending big as we go though, if that offers any consollation to you.

 

 

If we go down there are no "positives", only negatives of varying degrees of disastrousness.

 

 

Like I said what you are suggesting is just as ridiculous as knocking down your house wall because you don't like the colour of the wall paper...... yes in the end you get rid of the problematic wallpaper, but at the same time you bring yourself a whole boat load of much, much worse issues.

 

 

 

 

Reducing the wage bill gains the club nothing if we've just had our revenue slashed, our ability to recruit players castrated and we've still got the same muppets in charge that brought us to this point.... and this time there'll be no John Hall and Keegan (and a burgeoning era of 90's optimism) to bring us back.

 

 

The bit in bold is total semantics.

 

The rest of your post pertains to a view that you have wrongly attributed to me so I won't waste my breath. You already know my view is that you suffer from a mental defect (at the very least a defect of reason) so I'll leave it at that.

 

 

So its your usual make a daft statement, spend X posts claiming you didn't, then disappear. Don't ever change.

Edited March 5, 2009 by Fop

[manc-mag 1]

The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them.

 

Yup it was just so much better before the big money.

 

 

A workmanlike Championship selling club.

 

I'm talking about players coming here because they want to play for a particular manager/a developing football team-as opposed to coming here simply to put another 20k on their weekly salary.

 

Wrong of you to assume I'm saying strong finances and player ambition are mutually exclusive concepts too by the way. Clearly I don't say that.

 

And how is getting relegated going to help any of that?

 

 

Read my original post. In the context of a thread speculating what will happen if we go down, I decided I would try and be positive about one particular issue, which I see as being important.

 

Relegation is likely to bring an end to several, utterly absurd contracts, meaning that when we start negotiating new deals (as we must) we can do this by offering terms which better serve the interests of the club. In doing so so it is far easier to make it clear to incoming players that, similarly, they are here to serve the interests of the club. To wit, that there be more emphasis on this aspect of the transaction than the fuck-off sky high weekly salary routinely on offer which has made us a complete anomoly amongst the bottom half clubs, without any marked progress for several years, and which gives the new player every indication that we are a total fucking joke.

 

I'm not glorying in going down, but if you can't grasp this positive from it then you might as well consign us to the first and then the second division an all. Spending big as we go though, if that offers any consollation to you.

 

 

If we go down there are no "positives", only negatives of varying degrees of disastrousness.

 

 

Like I said what you are suggesting is just as ridiculous as knocking down your house wall because you don't like the colour of the wall paper...... yes in the end you get rid of the problematic wallpaper, but at the same time you bring yourself a whole boat load of much, much worse issues.

 

 

 

 

Reducing the wage bill gains the club nothing if we've just had our revenue slashed, our ability to recruit players castrated and we've still got the same muppets in charge that brought us to this point.... and this time there'll be no John Hall and Keegan (and a burgeoning era of 90's optimism) to bring us back.

 

 

The bit in bold is total semantics.

 

The rest of your post pertains to a view that you have wrongly attributed to me so I won't waste my breath. You already know my view is that you suffer from a mental defect (at the very least a defect of reason) so I'll leave it at that.

 

 

So its your usual make a daft statement, spend X posts claiming you didn't, then disappear. Don't ever change.

 

It's basically exactly what I just said tbh.

[Kitman 2207]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but we shouldn't underestimate our lack of attractiveness to decent players if we go down. Yes we might get rid of some overpaid wasters but if you're a good player why go to NUFC if we're in the championship? Because

 

a) we won't be offering top wages anymore, that much is clear

b we'd be in the mickey mouse league

c) there'd be no high profile players left they'd heard of. Apart from Shola obviously

d) the North East is not a draw card to players unless they're from there

e) the stadium would be half empty

f) our manager would be Joe Kinnear

g) our owner has no ambition

 

If anybody thinks we'll be signing decent players without offering big wages and transfer fees they're kidding themselves. We'll have enough trouble if we stay in the prem, they'd probably rather go to Hull at the moment. I fully expect us to make an offer for Dean Windass in the summer, and for him to turn us down.

Edited March 6, 2009 by Kitman

[LeazesMag 0]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

[LeazesMag 0]

Oh, and to even suggest that being relegated has any positives whatsoever, only proves what a complete prick you are.

 

And THAT - is not up for "debate".

[manc-mag 1]

 

You clearly 'couldnt give a fuck' what I think then. Aye righto.

 

Started spouting shit similar to this the last time you flounced off vowing never to return. Grow up man you're in your 50's ffs.

[Renton 22414]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

 

 

The day you stop 'debating' about what a fantastic chairman Shepherd was is the day you draw your terminal breath.

[manc-mag 1]

Am I the only person who thinks FOP is canny

 

I also agree that there are NO positives whatsoever in being relegated, its an outright disaster in every possible way.

 

I think you're probably part of a very small company tbh. You're also an extremely bad debater, which might go some way to explaining how you find yourself part of such an exclusive club.

 

you might think I'm a "bad debater" but I really couldn't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, nor am I going to "debate" the ins and outs of topic such as Ashley v Shepherd, because to put it quite basically Shepherd was slated by tosspots like you when he was a good chairman with the good of the club at heart while Ashley is a wanker who is taking the club and supporters for a ride, and no amount of "debate" is going to change my mind, because unfortunately for tosspots like you, I make my judgements on league positions and achivements for the club, and Mike fuckin Ashley will never equal those champions league positions while he has a hole in his arse.

 

He's far more likely to match the positions the Halls and Shepherd found the club in back in 1992. If you have no knowledge of this, so can't "debate" it, go fuck yourself.

 

 

The day you stop 'debating' about what a fantastic chairman Shepherd was is the day you draw your terminal breath.

 

 

Deranged, foaming-at-the-mouth shit from Leazes tbh. This is what I mean.

 

The thing that worries me is-while I think it will be absolutely devastating if we do go down, we will at least have to try to find positives in order to turn things round and get our house in order. If you can't do that then you might as well give up. It's 'better' to do this while you remain in the Prem, so obviously the best case scenario is to do this while we remain in the Prem, but we've been in that position, had that opportunity, and haven't done this for years now. We've just continued our slide-with big name, de-motivated underachievers on stupid money, who in all honesty couldnt give a shit for the club. Whatever way you look at it, ultimately that is only ever going to result in a negative outcome.

[Kitman 2207]

Deranged, foaming-at-the-mouth shit from Leazes tbh. This is what I mean.

 

The thing that worries me is-while I think it will be absolutely devastating if we do go down, we will at least have to try to find positives in order to turn things round and get our house in order. If you can't do that then you might as well give up. It's 'better' to do this while you remain in the Prem, so obviously the best case scenario is to do this while we remain in the Prem, but we've been in that position, had that opportunity, and haven't done this for years now. We've just continued our slide-with big name, de-motivated underachievers on stupid money, who in all honesty couldnt give a shit for the club. Whatever way you look at it, ultimately that is only ever going to result in a negative outcome.

 

Yes, but how much of that is down to having rubbish managers? I'm all for getting rid of rubbish players but motivation of capable players is the manager's job. It's hard imo to judge whether we've had a lot of poor signings, because most of our managers since Robson have been incapable of getting performances out of the players. We might have a clear out if we go down - and that depends on players with longer term contracts being willing to go - but it doesn't mean we'll get any better players in.

[Renton 22414]

Deranged, foaming-at-the-mouth shit from Leazes tbh. This is what I mean.

 

The thing that worries me is-while I think it will be absolutely devastating if we do go down, we will at least have to try to find positives in order to turn things round and get our house in order. If you can't do that then you might as well give up. It's 'better' to do this while you remain in the Prem, so obviously the best case scenario is to do this while we remain in the Prem, but we've been in that position, had that opportunity, and haven't done this for years now. We've just continued our slide-with big name, de-motivated underachievers on stupid money, who in all honesty couldnt give a shit for the club. Whatever way you look at it, ultimately that is only ever going to result in a negative outcome.

 

Yes, but how much of that is down to having rubbish managers? I'm all for getting rid of rubbish players but motivation of capable players is the manager's job. It's hard imo to judge whether we've had a lot of poor signings, because most of our managers since Robson have been incapable of getting performances out of the players. We might have a clear out if we go down - and that depends on players with longer term contracts being willing to go - but it doesn't mean we'll get any better players in.

 

The manager situation is of the upmost importance. Something both Ashley and Shepherd (post Robson) have got disastrously wrong. The thought of the championship under Kinnear is terrifying.

[Fop 1]

The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them.

Deranged, foaming-at-the-mouth shit from Leazes tbh. This is what I mean.

 

The thing that worries me is-while I think it will be absolutely devastating if we do go down, we will at least have to try to find positives in order to turn things round and get our house in order. If you can't do that then you might as well give up. It's 'better' to do this while you remain in the Prem, so obviously the best case scenario is to do this while we remain in the Prem, but we've been in that position, had that opportunity, and haven't done this for years now. We've just continued our slide-with big name, de-motivated underachievers on stupid money, who in all honesty couldnt give a shit for the club. Whatever way you look at it, ultimately that is only ever going to result in a negative outcome.

 

I see you're still in the revisionist stage. Your unadulterated childish insult stage will be coming next when the revisionist stage doesn't work.

 

 

So is it a "massive positive"? Or just a positive that must desperately be found (i.e. another negative that some spin can be put on)?

 

And its now "better" to stay in the Premiership than to "devastatingly" go down (even with the "massive positive"), well I never.

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Deranged, foaming-at-the-mouth shit from Leazes tbh. This is what I mean.

 

The thing that worries me is-while I think it will be absolutely devastating if we do go down, we will at least have to try to find positives in order to turn things round and get our house in order. If you can't do that then you might as well give up. It's 'better' to do this while you remain in the Prem, so obviously the best case scenario is to do this while we remain in the Prem, but we've been in that position, had that opportunity, and haven't done this for years now. We've just continued our slide-with big name, de-motivated underachievers on stupid money, who in all honesty couldnt give a shit for the club. Whatever way you look at it, ultimately that is only ever going to result in a negative outcome.

 

Yes, but how much of that is down to having rubbish managers? I'm all for getting rid of rubbish players but motivation of capable players is the manager's job. It's hard imo to judge whether we've had a lot of poor signings, because most of our managers since Robson have been incapable of getting performances out of the players. We might have a clear out if we go down - and that depends on players with longer term contracts being willing to go - but it doesn't mean we'll get any better players in.

 

 

Precisely.

 

Exactly the same factors will be in influence again (location and ambition), so unless we have the right management structure (manager through to Owner/s) even if we have the "massive positive" () of getting relegated and then somehow come back up (which isn't anything like a certainty), we're likely to find ourself with a Championship quality team unable to complete in the Premiership at all.

 

OR if we show ambition then we'll quickly be back to the towering wage bill (because we're not going to get the player with our location and pedigree without paying for it - Ashley cloud-cuckoo-land Aresnal/Villa [except the £££'s the spend bit] model aside), only with people thinking of us as a recently relegated side, no a recent top 4 contender.