Tom 14021 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Sunderland do it all the time man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 In a perverse way some of the younger fans would benefit from the experience. You'd see more hooliganism, toon fans taking over away towns like we used to, the social side of it would be a good laugh. Everything else though, well, it doesn't bare thinking about, I'll be buying my season ticket regardless what happens, and I don't think we'd get any attendances under 35,000 regardless who we are playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21493 Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Sunderland do it all the time man! Aye but do they have people on their books like Duff, Martins, Owen etc etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Sunderland do it all the time man! Aye but do they have people on their books like Duff, Martins, Owen etc etc? Neither would we. Owen is out of contract anyway and the high earners would either be given away or, in Martins' case - sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 1953 Right answer. Second only to Arsenal in the longest unbroken spell of top-flight English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 1953 Right answer. Second only to Arsenal in the longest unbroken spell of top-flight English football. Was just about to say that. The Mackems had 57 consecutive years in the top flight before they went down in the late 50s btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21493 Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Sunderland do it all the time man! Aye but do they have people on their books like Duff, Martins, Owen etc etc? Neither would we. Owen is out of contract anyway and the high earners would either be given away or, in Martins' case - sold. Definatley, and Sunderland havent had second rate wankers (Ameobi) on large wages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Sunderland do it all the time man! Aye but do they have people on their books like Duff, Martins, Owen etc etc? Neither would we. Owen is out of contract anyway and the high earners would either be given away or, in Martins' case - sold. Definatley, and Sunderland havent had second rate wankers (Ameobi) on large wages! Just thinking about something the other day and the club's 'master' fucking 'plan'. Who has been given new contracts (i.e. not new signings but people already at the club) since the new owner took over - Stroller, Taylor, Harper and Butt Have I missed anyone? Harper's alright, don't get me wrong. Arsenalesque building for the future there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14021 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I doubt Ameobi is on a large wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4446 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I doubt Ameobi is on a large wage I mentioned before that I heard he'd taken a cut for the new deal (35k > 20k). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Big Championship wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14021 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 1953 Right answer. Second only to Arsenal in the longest unbroken spell of top-flight English football. Was just about to say that. The Mackems had 57 consecutive years in the top flight before they went down in the late 50s btw. 57 I wonder what our record is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure who we would keep (or want to) to be honest. We would also probably get a steady 40'000 + fans I reckon which would pay high Championship wages. I don't know like Tom. I think going down and having Ashley still controlling the club might see a bigger dip in crowds than that. no, that can't be right, diehards like thickmick on NO - insist that the absolute priority is to sort out our finances, the poor dear obviously thinks we will still get 50,000 crowds like we always did. I don't think there is much doubt that if we spend 2-3 years down in the lower league that 52,000 stadium of ours will be half full. That will be great for the finances won't it. Edited March 5, 2009 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14021 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I doubt Ameobi is on a large wage I mentioned before that I heard he'd taken a cut for the new deal (35k > 20k). I suppose £20k over 3 years is pretty good for a player like Shola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 1953 Right answer. Second only to Arsenal in the longest unbroken spell of top-flight English football. Was just about to say that. The Mackems had 57 consecutive years in the top flight before they went down in the late 50s btw. 57 I wonder what our record is 32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14021 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 32 is pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I'm not sure who we would keep (or want to) to be honest. We would also probably get a steady 40'000 + fans I reckon which would pay high Championship wages. I don't know like Tom. I think going down and having Ashley still controlling the club might see a bigger dip in crowds than that. no, that can't be right, diehards like mick on NO - insist that the absolute priority is to sort out our finances, the poor dear obviously thinks we will still get 50,000 crowds like we always did. I don't think there is much doubt that if we spend 2-3 years down in the lower league that 52,000 stadium of ours will be half full. That will be great for the finances won't it. I think we probably both agree the finances needed sorting out, but not at the expense (pardon the pun) of everything else, including the first XI. If Ashley was really arsed about having fun, competing and so on - why put all his eggs in one basket? He could have easily set aside some of the money he's spent on paying off the debt on new players. He could have still pursued his aim of getting the wage bill down etc. There seems something more sinister to me about what is going on than just him doing this for the long-term good of the club (probably to make us easier to sell in his eyes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 32 is pretty good Includes the First World War iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14021 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 It all counts in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them. Yup it was just so much better before the big money. A workmanlike Championship selling club. I'm talking about players coming here because they want to play for a particular manager/a developing football team-as opposed to coming here simply to put another 20k on their weekly salary. Wrong of you to assume I'm saying strong finances and player ambition are mutually exclusive concepts too by the way. Clearly I don't say that. And how is getting relegated going to help any of that? Read my original post. In the context of a thread speculating what will happen if we go down, I decided I would try and be positive about one particular issue, which I see as being important. Relegation is likely to bring an end to several, utterly absurd contracts, meaning that when we start negotiating new deals (as we must) we can do this by offering terms which better serve the interests of the club. In doing so so it is far easier to make it clear to incoming players that, similarly, they are here to serve the interests of the club. To wit, that there be more emphasis on this aspect of the transaction than the fuck-off sky high weekly salary routinely on offer which has made us a complete anomoly amongst the bottom half clubs, without any marked progress for several years, and which gives the new player every indication that we are a total fucking joke. I'm not glorying in going down, but if you can't grasp this positive from it then you might as well consign us to the first and then the second division an all. Spending big as we go though, if that offers any consollation to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4183 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them. Yup it was just so much better before the big money. A workmanlike Championship selling club. I'm talking about players coming here because they want to play for a particular manager/a developing football team-as opposed to coming here simply to put another 20k on their weekly salary. Wrong of you to assume I'm saying strong finances and player ambition are mutually exclusive concepts too by the way. Clearly I don't say that. And how is getting relegated going to help any of that? Read my original post. In the context of a thread speculating what will happen if we go down, I decided I would try and be positive about one particular issue, which I see as being important. Relegation is likely to bring an end to several, utterly absurd contracts, meaning that when we start negotiating new deals (as we must) we can do this by offering terms which better serve the interests of the club. In doing so so it is far easier to make it clear to incoming players that, similarly, they are here to serve the interests of the club. To wit, that there be more emphasis on this aspect of the transaction than the fuck-off sky high weekly salary routinely on offer which has made us a complete anomoly amongst the bottom half clubs, without any marked progress for several years, and which gives the new player every indication that we are a total fucking joke. I'm not glorying in going down, but if you can't grasp this positive from it then you might as well consign us to the first and then the second division an all. Spending big as we go though, if that offers any consollation to you. Is it though - arent we going to be paying out the same money to the same losers that we are now. Viduka and Owen will be off the roll, well still have Smith Duff Capaca and the rest coining it in for being shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 21493 Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them. Yup it was just so much better before the big money. A workmanlike Championship selling club. I'm talking about players coming here because they want to play for a particular manager/a developing football team-as opposed to coming here simply to put another 20k on their weekly salary. Wrong of you to assume I'm saying strong finances and player ambition are mutually exclusive concepts too by the way. Clearly I don't say that. And how is getting relegated going to help any of that? Read my original post. In the context of a thread speculating what will happen if we go down, I decided I would try and be positive about one particular issue, which I see as being important. Relegation is likely to bring an end to several, utterly absurd contracts, meaning that when we start negotiating new deals (as we must) we can do this by offering terms which better serve the interests of the club. In doing so so it is far easier to make it clear to incoming players that, similarly, they are here to serve the interests of the club. To wit, that there be more emphasis on this aspect of the transaction than the fuck-off sky high weekly salary routinely on offer which has made us a complete anomoly amongst the bottom half clubs, without any marked progress for several years, and which gives the new player every indication that we are a total fucking joke. I'm not glorying in going down, but if you can't grasp this positive from it then you might as well consign us to the first and then the second division an all. Spending big as we go though, if that offers any consollation to you. Is it though - arent we going to be paying out the same money to the same losers that we are now. Viduka and Owen will be off the roll, well still have Smith Duff Capaca and the rest coining it in for being shite I cant see us holding or being able to viably hold onto Smith and Duff, surley they are on £25+K a week? Thats too big a wage for the Championship. W CANNOT assume we are going to bounce straught back up, we have to prepare for the worse, if we do bounce straight back up, our books will be in a better state and we will be possibley able to start building a proper squad like the first time we entreed the Prem! I mean, all this comes down to who Ashley installs as manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 For those advocating relegation to clear out the shite from the club, who was the last club promoted from the championship to have survived in the premier league for longer than 3 seasons? Wigan? Everton? Blackburn? The rest seem to yo yo up and down. Look at the mackems for example.It won't fix a thing. When was the last time Everton were out of the top flight like? I knew what I was thinking, Blackburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 The massive positive for me will be seeing the back of the NUFC 'gravy train' mentality. Players coming for massive money knowing in advance that they'll not have to do anything to actually earn it because it's an open secret in football that the club is just an expensive joke anyway. Reminds me of the way the banks have been run at the top level-throwing money at cunts who exercise no professional discipline; and when the shit hits the fan they walk away with their pockets full while the place fucking crumbles behind them. Yup it was just so much better before the big money. A workmanlike Championship selling club. I'm talking about players coming here because they want to play for a particular manager/a developing football team-as opposed to coming here simply to put another 20k on their weekly salary. Wrong of you to assume I'm saying strong finances and player ambition are mutually exclusive concepts too by the way. Clearly I don't say that. And how is getting relegated going to help any of that? Read my original post. In the context of a thread speculating what will happen if we go down, I decided I would try and be positive about one particular issue, which I see as being important. Relegation is likely to bring an end to several, utterly absurd contracts, meaning that when we start negotiating new deals (as we must) we can do this by offering terms which better serve the interests of the club. In doing so so it is far easier to make it clear to incoming players that, similarly, they are here to serve the interests of the club. To wit, that there be more emphasis on this aspect of the transaction than the fuck-off sky high weekly salary routinely on offer which has made us a complete anomoly amongst the bottom half clubs, without any marked progress for several years, and which gives the new player every indication that we are a total fucking joke. I'm not glorying in going down, but if you can't grasp this positive from it then you might as well consign us to the first and then the second division an all. Spending big as we go though, if that offers any consollation to you. Is it though - arent we going to be paying out the same money to the same losers that we are now. Viduka and Owen will be off the roll, well still have Smith Duff Capaca and the rest coining it in for being shite If we can get shut of them for free then I think we could be rid of the likes of Smith. Maybe Duff too. Probably not so Cacapa. Theres no magic wand. I dont believe it would clear us of all of the non-performers but you have to work towards that end as best you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) Massive club Man City as well sammynb. Edited March 5, 2009 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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