Magpies 'naive' over Keegan exit

[luckyluke 2]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

[Guest alex]

Baggio doesn't post much on here anymore, does he?

[Park Life 71]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

[trophyshy 7095]

Was it the screaming of the Llambias, Keegan, that made you run into the night?

[Kitman 2207]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

The level of optimism on N-O flies in the face of all the evidence. I can only assume that Prozac is widely prescribed these days.

[timnufc 0]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

 

Imo there does need to be perspective amongst the critisism - in terms of it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, it is refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with other things it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

At the end of the day if 70% of the income is going out to wages then thats clearly a problem - but a lot of those wages should be clear in the summer - & we will see if they then act upon that.

 

And at least Llambias is trying to explain things now, whether its utter lies, misguided ideas or total crap, a big problem was zero communication & we now have things to go off, and he's meeting fans.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

[Kitman 2207]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

 

Imo there does need to be perspective amongst the critisism - in terms of it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, it is refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with other things it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

At the end of the day if 70% of the income is going out to wages then thats clearly a problem - but a lot of those wages should be clear in the summer - & we will see if they then act upon that.

 

And at least Llambias is trying to explain things now, whether its utter lies, misguided ideas or total crap, a big problem was zero communication & we now have things to go off, and he's meeting fans.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

 

What I don't get is why some people are obsessed with debt. Every club has it. Whether we have too much debt is not up to the supporters to judge, that's up to the bank manager. Some people (not on here) seem more turned on by the club's books than the football. How does that work? If you get a hard on over the books, go and be an accountant imo. As if a numpty internet jockey can judge what the club/Ashley can and can't afford to spend, based on a set of historic records and guesswork!

 

The example of Leeds is trawled up time and again. To me that's just scaremongering. I don't think Shepherd & Co were remotely as reckless as Ridsdale & Co. I don't doubt that we had overstretched ourselves and needed a period of retrenchment, but as always with the toon we've reacted in the opposite extreme and now our prem status is threatened through under investment - where a canny use of even the transfer profits to date would have made a massive difference.

[timnufc 0]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

 

Imo there does need to be perspective amongst the critisism - in terms of it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, it is refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with other things it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

At the end of the day if 70% of the income is going out to wages then thats clearly a problem - but a lot of those wages should be clear in the summer - & we will see if they then act upon that.

 

And at least Llambias is trying to explain things now, whether its utter lies, misguided ideas or total crap, a big problem was zero communication & we now have things to go off, and he's meeting fans.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

 

What I don't get is why some people are obsessed with debt. Every club has it. Whether we have too much debt is not up to the supporters to judge, that's up to the bank manager. Some people (not on here) seem more turned on by the club's books than the football. How does that work? If you get a hard on over the books, go and be an accountant imo. As if a numpty internet jockey can judge what the club/Ashley can and can't afford to spend, based on a set of historic records and guesswork!

 

The example of Leeds is trawled up time and again. To me that's just scaremongering. I don't think Shepherd & Co were remotely as reckless as Ridsdale & Co. I don't doubt that we had overstretched ourselves and needed a period of retrenchment, but as always with the toon we've reacted in the opposite extreme and now our prem status is threatened through under investment - where a canny use of even the transfer profits to date would have made a massive difference.

 

Aye, I agree in the way that some kind of debt will always probably come with success, definetely.

 

In terms of wages, I'm not a mathematics genuis, but surley if 70% of the income is going on wages there's simply a problem there.

 

I mean that the positive side is potentially having better young players coming through who are talented & hungry - something we have lacked over the years.

Edited February 26, 2009 by timnufc

[Asprilla 96]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

 

Imo there does need to be perspective amongst the critisism - in terms of it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, it is refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with other things it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

At the end of the day if 70% of the income is going out to wages then thats clearly a problem - but a lot of those wages should be clear in the summer - & we will see if they then act upon that.

 

And at least Llambias is trying to explain things now, whether its utter lies, misguided ideas or total crap, a big problem was zero communication & we now have things to go off, and he's meeting fans.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

 

 

Wasting your time looking for perspective on here. This is the home of the Cockney mafia out brigade, although they pretend otherwise.

I don't agree with you tbh. I've said that getting the wages down and building the scouting/youth side are sound ideas. The trouble I have with this lot is that they don't tell the truth, they're also trying to do it all too quickly and risking our status in the league.

 

In my opinion, Shepherd would have had no choice but to do similar things to Ashley or risk us going completely to the wall. He blew the lot on us getting back into Europe but we didn't make it.

 

The debts were growing and the advances were all spent.

[Kitman 2207]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

 

Imo there does need to be perspective amongst the critisism - in terms of it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, it is refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with other things it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

At the end of the day if 70% of the income is going out to wages then thats clearly a problem - but a lot of those wages should be clear in the summer - & we will see if they then act upon that.

 

And at least Llambias is trying to explain things now, whether its utter lies, misguided ideas or total crap, a big problem was zero communication & we now have things to go off, and he's meeting fans.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

 

What I don't get is why some people are obsessed with debt. Every club has it. Whether we have too much debt is not up to the supporters to judge, that's up to the bank manager. Some people (not on here) seem more turned on by the club's books than the football. How does that work? If you get a hard on over the books, go and be an accountant imo. As if a numpty internet jockey can judge what the club/Ashley can and can't afford to spend, based on a set of historic records and guesswork!

 

The example of Leeds is trawled up time and again. To me that's just scaremongering. I don't think Shepherd & Co were remotely as reckless as Ridsdale & Co. I don't doubt that we had overstretched ourselves and needed a period of retrenchment, but as always with the toon we've reacted in the opposite extreme and now our prem status is threatened through under investment - where a canny use of even the transfer profits to date would have made a massive difference.

 

Aye, I agree in the way that some kind of debt will always probably come with success, definetely.

 

In terms of wages, I'm not a mathematics genuis, but surley if 70% of the income is going on wages there's simply a problem there.

 

I mean that the positive side is potentially having better young players coming through who are talented & hungry - something we have lacked over the years.

 

I don't disagree at all with the need to bring wages down, ditch overpaid underperformers or invest heavily in youth. In particular I believe we couldn't sustain those wage levels in the medium term. What I can't understand is the thought that with a piss poor squad and manager we think we can get by with selling players and not reinvesting the money. In the short term it must be obvious that we can't rely on the current players to keep us in mind table, the evidence is there on the pitch and in our league position. I wasn't expecting mega-bucks but I was shocked that the January window went by with a net profit. That either smacks of complacency or obliviousness to our position. Judging by Llambias' recent statements, I'm beginning to think they are genuinely clueless about the state of the first team.

 

That's not to say there aren't some positives by the way, but it won't matter if we're relegated, and that's what worries me most.

[Kitman 2207]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

 

Imo there does need to be perspective amongst the critisism - in terms of it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, it is refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with other things it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

At the end of the day if 70% of the income is going out to wages then thats clearly a problem - but a lot of those wages should be clear in the summer - & we will see if they then act upon that.

 

And at least Llambias is trying to explain things now, whether its utter lies, misguided ideas or total crap, a big problem was zero communication & we now have things to go off, and he's meeting fans.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

 

 

Wasting your time looking for perspective on here. This is the home of the Cockney mafia out brigade, although they pretend otherwise.

I don't agree with you tbh. I've said that getting the wages down and building the scouting/youth side are sound ideas. The trouble I have with this lot is that they don't tell the truth, they're also trying to do it all too quickly and risking our status in the league.

 

In my opinion, Shepherd would have had no choice but to do similar things to Ashley or risk us going completely to the wall. He blew the lot on us getting back into Europe but we didn't make it.

 

The debts were growing and the advances were all spent.

 

This. Ashley could be a good owner if he took his head out of his arse.

[Park Life 71]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

 

Imo there does need to be perspective amongst the critisism - in terms of it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, it is refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with other things it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

At the end of the day if 70% of the income is going out to wages then thats clearly a problem - but a lot of those wages should be clear in the summer - & we will see if they then act upon that.

 

And at least Llambias is trying to explain things now, whether its utter lies, misguided ideas or total crap, a big problem was zero communication & we now have things to go off, and he's meeting fans.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

 

What I don't get is why some people are obsessed with debt. Every club has it. Whether we have too much debt is not up to the supporters to judge, that's up to the bank manager. Some people (not on here) seem more turned on by the club's books than the football. How does that work? If you get a hard on over the books, go and be an accountant imo. As if a numpty internet jockey can judge what the club/Ashley can and can't afford to spend, based on a set of historic records and guesswork!

 

The example of Leeds is trawled up time and again. To me that's just scaremongering. I don't think Shepherd & Co were remotely as reckless as Ridsdale & Co. I don't doubt that we had overstretched ourselves and needed a period of retrenchment, but as always with the toon we've reacted in the opposite extreme and now our prem status is threatened through under investment - where a canny use of even the transfer profits to date would have made a massive difference.

 

Aye, I agree in the way that some kind of debt will always probably come with success, definetely.

 

In terms of wages, I'm not a mathematics genuis, but surley if 70% of the income is going on wages there's simply a problem there.

 

I mean that the positive side is potentially having better young players coming through who are talented & hungry - something we have lacked over the years.

 

I don't disagree at all with the need to bring wages down, ditch overpaid underperformers or invest heavily in youth. In particular I believe we couldn't sustain those wage levels in the medium term. What I can't understand is the thought that with a piss poor squad and manager we think we can get by with selling players and not reinvesting the money. In the short term it must be obvious that we can't rely on the current players to keep us in mind table, the evidence is there on the pitch and in our league position. I wasn't expecting mega-bucks but I was shocked that the January window went by with a net profit. That either smacks of complacency or obliviousness to our position. Judging by Llambias' recent statements, I'm beginning to think they are genuinely clueless about the state of the first team.

 

That's not to say there aren't some positives by the way, but it won't matter if we're relegated, and that's what worries me most.

 

 

There seems a genuine misunderstanding of footballing matters.

[timnufc 0]

The most annoying thing is those cretins on N-O will probably be lapping it up, talking about how it's all hunky dory and the reason we're in this state is we're not supporting the team enough.

 

I fucking dispair, I really do. We'll be in the Championship with 18 months, i'm almost sure of that.

 

I never go on N-O, I wasn't aware there was a pro-Ashley faction. I assumed the only position you could reasonably occupy would be one that is against the current regime. I simply cannot imagine why anyone would think otherwise.

 

It's kind of based around the idea the club would have been history (debt wise) if MA hadn't rode into town or summink.

 

Imo there does need to be perspective amongst the critisism - in terms of it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, it is refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with other things it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

At the end of the day if 70% of the income is going out to wages then thats clearly a problem - but a lot of those wages should be clear in the summer - & we will see if they then act upon that.

 

And at least Llambias is trying to explain things now, whether its utter lies, misguided ideas or total crap, a big problem was zero communication & we now have things to go off, and he's meeting fans.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

 

What I don't get is why some people are obsessed with debt. Every club has it. Whether we have too much debt is not up to the supporters to judge, that's up to the bank manager. Some people (not on here) seem more turned on by the club's books than the football. How does that work? If you get a hard on over the books, go and be an accountant imo. As if a numpty internet jockey can judge what the club/Ashley can and can't afford to spend, based on a set of historic records and guesswork!

 

The example of Leeds is trawled up time and again. To me that's just scaremongering. I don't think Shepherd & Co were remotely as reckless as Ridsdale & Co. I don't doubt that we had overstretched ourselves and needed a period of retrenchment, but as always with the toon we've reacted in the opposite extreme and now our prem status is threatened through under investment - where a canny use of even the transfer profits to date would have made a massive difference.

 

Aye, I agree in the way that some kind of debt will always probably come with success, definetely.

 

In terms of wages, I'm not a mathematics genuis, but surley if 70% of the income is going on wages there's simply a problem there.

 

I mean that the positive side is potentially having better young players coming through who are talented & hungry - something we have lacked over the years.

 

I don't disagree at all with the need to bring wages down, ditch overpaid underperformers or invest heavily in youth. In particular I believe we couldn't sustain those wage levels in the medium term. What I can't understand is the thought that with a piss poor squad and manager we think we can get by with selling players and not reinvesting the money. In the short term it must be obvious that we can't rely on the current players to keep us in mind table, the evidence is there on the pitch and in our league position. I wasn't expecting mega-bucks but I was shocked that the January window went by with a net profit. That either smacks of complacency or obliviousness to our position. Judging by Llambias' recent statements, I'm beginning to think they are genuinely clueless about the state of the first team.

 

That's not to say there aren't some positives by the way, but it won't matter if we're relegated, and that's what worries me most.

 

I think Nolan & Taylor were good buys tbh. Didnt like the Johnson & Richardson bids as they we're suspicously late. But I agree with most of what you say.

 

Imo NUSC, as an 'organistation', needs to & should have came out with the critisism they have done while at the same time acknowleding things such as the writing in bold above. That gives them credibility, balance & prespective, and it annoys me they havent done that.

Edited February 26, 2009 by timnufc

[Kitman 2207]

Everyone who knows anything knows that Ashley bought the club on a whim for fun. He was thoroughly enjoying himself, along with most fans until keegan walked. (Not sacked btw, walked, again)

 

He has in the past and again in recent times admitted that they were / are pretty clueless in running a football club and it is a steep learning curve. Keegan caused a revolt, he tried to sell, cant hes back and wants to take us forward.

 

Not perfect by any stretch, but give the fucker a chance to put it right.

 

As long as we survive, I am more optimistic with this lots business approach, than I am with Freddys spend now fuck the future.

 

I'm not convinced his efforts to sell the club were ever sincere. It might however be that some of the problems have come about because he's been badly advised. I'm hopeful taking more of a direct interest will open his eyes to some of the problems. I'm not convinced he's any better than the old board as businessmen, he might just be tighter. We will just have to see because he's not going anywhere, you can't sack the owner.

 

I suspect you and I won't see eye to eye on this but I'm certainly not in the 'Ashley Out' camp (yet). I'm more in the 'Ashley get a grip' camp. However I think you should post more, which is in no way connected to your avatar.

[Fop 1]

So Lambrusco has suddenly started talking...... and he's still saying about as much as he did when he just sat their with a smug smirk on his face.

 

In fact the smug smirk said a lot more.

[charvski 0]

who is she and yes her tits are great

[Jimbo 175]

who is she and yes her tits are great

 

 

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[shear class! 0]

Newcastle are 5 points off the drop but if Blackburn win their game in hand we are only 2 points of the drop. Oh how I want them to loose it!