Fop 1 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Slightly different issue, but does prohibition work? Or does it just make things worse? Everything makes something worse. I blame God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 There was an interesting debate on Five Live yesterday about Bulemia/Anerexia (sp). Apparently most people who go to see their doctor get short shrift (It's a phase/take some anti-depressants and come back in 6 weeks). Seems to me that it's no different to someone stuffing their fat faces until they need a winch to get out of bed. Obesity is somehow an acceptable condition whereas the other end of the eating scale is like the dark arts!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 What? And if people who are overweight go to the docs they get loads of support and don't get short-shrift? I would imagine they just get told to eat less and exercise more. If anything stuff like Bulimia and Anorexia are recognised as mental health problems more than obesity is in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldstott 0 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 My missus was bulemic and went to the doctor who said: "It's a phase" - that was after 10 years of vomming twice a day. That's shows a complete lack of knowledge of the condition to me. That was down south, when we were still in Newcastle she received much better treatment, but it seems that is not the reality for most. I'm not fat enough to have experience of the other end of the scale, but it seems to me that someone going in to a doctors with morbid obesity is more likely to be given a structured plan for weightloss, councilling, gastric band. Actual support rather than a 'get over it love'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 My missus was bulemic and went to the doctor who said: "It's a phase" - that was after 10 years of vomming twice a day. That's shows a complete lack of knowledge of the condition to me. That was down south, when we were still in Newcastle she received much better treatment, but it seems that is not the reality for most. I'm not fat enough to have experience of the other end of the scale, but it seems to me that someone going in to a doctors with morbid obesity is more likely to be given a structured plan for weightloss, councilling, gastric band. Actual support rather than a 'get over it love'. I don't doubt there are doctors who feel that way regarding things like bulemia. It stands to reason many will be the same about obesity issues. That's unfortunate re: your lass as it's a undoubtedly a genuine thing imo. Hope she got it sorted out. I think a lot of it is down to the luck of the draw, individual doctor and stuff like that. I don't really think obesity is an acceptable condition in the way I take you to mean that though. I think most people just think it's down to them being fat, lazy bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20721 Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 There was a debate about this last night on 5Live. Basically a lad was refused treatment for being an alcoholic. Full story is here It must be a hard decision to make for the people at the NHS, In a way its playing god. BUT Should someone ala George Best be allowed treatment for destroying themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 The Germans keep asking me why I drink so fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) There was a debate about this last night on 5Live. Basically a lad was refused treatment for being an alcoholic. Full story is here It must be a hard decision to make for the people at the NHS, In a way its playing god. BUT Should someone ala George Best be allowed treatment for destroying themselves? George Best met the criteria whereas this lad didn't. The former obviously relapsed later but I think taking posible relapses into consideration down the line really would be playing God. Without wishing to sound callous if you don't meet the criteria (which involves not drinking for 6 months amongst other things iirc), as I understand it, the chances of the body not rejecting the new liver etc. are greatly reduced so it's the right decision (given he'd probably have died anyway). Edited July 21, 2009 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20721 Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 There was a debate about this last night on 5Live. Basically a lad was refused treatment for being an alcoholic. Full story is here It must be a hard decision to make for the people at the NHS, In a way its playing god. BUT Should someone ala George Best be allowed treatment for destroying themselves? Geroge Best met the criteria whereas this lad didn't. The former obviously relapsed later but I think taking posiible relapses into consideration down the line really would be playing God. Without wishing to sound callous if you don't meet the criteria (which involves not drinking for 6 months amongst other things iirc), as I understand it, the chances of the body not rejecting the new liver etc. are greatly reduced. Oh aye, the lad who died shouldnt be allowed IMO to have treatment if he isny even seen as trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 There was a debate about this last night on 5Live. Basically a lad was refused treatment for being an alcoholic. Full story is here It must be a hard decision to make for the people at the NHS, In a way its playing god. BUT Should someone ala George Best be allowed treatment for destroying themselves? Geroge Best met the criteria whereas this lad didn't. The former obviously relapsed later but I think taking posiible relapses into consideration down the line really would be playing God. Without wishing to sound callous if you don't meet the criteria (which involves not drinking for 6 months amongst other things iirc), as I understand it, the chances of the body not rejecting the new liver etc. are greatly reduced. Oh aye, the lad who died shouldnt be allowed IMO to have treatment if he isny even seen as trying. It's really just about the operation having little chance of success. Also, (and I'd guess his young age was an even bigger factor in this) I think the liver can recover a lot in 6 months or whatever so he might not have even needed a transplant. But without the period off the booze you'd never know. Fucking tragic like, what was he? 22 or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20721 Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 Fucking tragic like, what was he? 22 or something? Aye 22 sad sad indeed. However, he started binge drinking at 13, what the fuck were his parents doing allowing this to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31196 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 More his mother's fault than his, not realising that your teenage son is an alcoholic is a pretty big miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Re drinking and how people carry on etc. I was away with a few mates recently and doing the usual where I don't tend to drink that much - I get horrendous hangovers to the point where having a drink isn't worth it. Anyway my mates all got mortal and the way they were carrying in was embarrassing. These are nice, respectful blokes who wouldn't dream of doing the stuff they were doing when pissed (refusing to pay taxi drivers what they wanted - I had to apologise and pay the bloke the difference once I'd got them all out the taxi, all kinds of other shit that was embarrassing). It's weird seeing people completely transform into arseholes over the course of an evening. As for alcoholism I don't know if it's a disease or not. My grandad and uncle both died from it though, which suggests there may be some genetic predisposition, although that doesn't prove owt one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) The Germans keep asking me why I drink so fast. Have you explained to them it is, in part, because they were bombing the shit out of us in the forties which lead to the enforcement of shorter drinking hours thus giving us all greater impetus to throw them down, that and the fear of getting bombed. Go on son, you know you want to. Edited July 21, 2009 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 See I and my friends go out, have a few drinks, chat and tend not to make any kind of fool of ourselves. We drink in moderation, we have a great time and we ddon't suffer for it the next day. KD you're dead against a drink because of the reasons you layed out earlier... but they aren't all true all of the time. A couple of pints over the course of a night won't turn you into a slavering monster, incapable of cogent thought. Re: alcoholism. I think that some people are predisposed to a dependency. Be it Alcohol, drugs or cake. If it was not for alcohol they'd be reliant upon something else, so I don't believe "alcoholism" is genetically encoded, but that tendency to become dependent on something is. My Grandad on my dad's side was a violent alcoholic and that clearly preys on my mother's mind when she sees my dad have the lions share of a bottle of wine with a meal. However, there's a huge difference between difference between having a bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon with the Roast and having a bottle of Smart Price Vodka with Cheerios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31196 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 My grandad and uncle both died from it though, which suggests there may be some genetic predisposition, although that doesn't prove owt one way or the other. I'm not sure what research has been done into this but I think there's certainly a link, obviously there are other factors involved but it does tend to run in families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 With me it all depends on the mood I'm in. Sometimes I need to drink a lot to relax, other times a few is fine. Nothing beats that first hit of a cold beer at 7 in the evening. In Hamburg a lot of the blokes don't really drink at all ( 1 or 2 bottles) and then they'll order some nonsense like tea or coffee or a juice drink....I will never understand that. On the other hand when I first moved here, I understood how much I was a victim of the drink culture in England and it saddened me a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 See I and my friends go out, have a few drinks, chat and tend not to make any kind of fool of ourselves. We drink in moderation, we have a great time and we ddon't suffer for it the next day. KD you're dead against a drink because of the reasons you layed out earlier... but they aren't all true all of the time. A couple of pints over the course of a night won't turn you into a slavering monster, incapable of cogent thought. Re: alcoholism. I think that some people are predisposed to a dependency. Be it Alcohol, drugs or cake. If it was not for alcohol they'd be reliant upon something else, so I don't believe "alcoholism" is genetically encoded, but that tendency to become dependent on something is. My Grandad on my dad's side was a violent alcoholic and that clearly preys on my mother's mind when she sees my dad have the lions share of a bottle of wine with a meal. However, there's a huge difference between difference between having a bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon with the Roast and having a bottle of Smart Price Vodka with Cheerios I like a drink but I don't behave like a prick when I've had one. That said, so many people do I pretty much totally avoid the centre of town on a Friday or Saturday night. The only exception would be a meal or something like that but even the better bars are full of wankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Sometimes I get bored drunk. Does this happen to anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Sometimes I get bored drunk. Does this happen to anyone else? Bigg Market / Quayside bars are depressing, lonely and boring in equal measure I find. Used to go on big work's dos just to fit in and that was usually my experience of them. But more generally yes as well, which is why I mix it up a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Sometimes I get bored drunk. Does this happen to anyone else? I throw a few shots in if I feel it coming on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 yeah, well i was in Brighton at the weekend with good mates of mine, started boozing about 3 ish but by 11 although drunk I was just bored with feeling drunk. The craic was good, the bar was good, I just felt 'over' being drunk. You know what? I wasn't mixing it up that night. Aaaaaaah...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 yeah, well i was in Brighton at the weekend with good mates of mine, started boozing about 3 ish but by 11 although drunk I was just bored with feeling drunk. The craic was good, the bar was good, I just felt 'over' being drunk. You know what? I wasn't mixing it up that night. Aaaaaaah...... Life is tragic enough without losing faith in the ability of alcohol to change perceptions. *Shudders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 yeah, well i was in Brighton at the weekend with good mates of mine, started boozing about 3 ish but by 11 although drunk I was just bored with feeling drunk. The craic was good, the bar was good, I just felt 'over' being drunk. You know what? I wasn't mixing it up that night. Aaaaaaah...... Getting drunk's better than being drunk though, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 yeah, well i was in Brighton at the weekend with good mates of mine, started boozing about 3 ish but by 11 although drunk I was just bored with feeling drunk. The craic was good, the bar was good, I just felt 'over' being drunk. You know what? I wasn't mixing it up that night. Aaaaaaah...... Getting drunk's better than being drunk though, isn't it? Anticipation and journey better than the effect? In other news, I've not drunk since Friday night. It's starting to feel weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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