Dennis Wise needs a chance

[Park Life 71]

I'll say it again. His obsession with immediately balancing the books is cause he still wants to sell the club.

[Park Life 71]

Model Behaviour?

By Happy Face On Tue 17 Feb 2009 |

 

Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias have both told us the model they have in mind for Newcastle United. They have named two Champions League chasing clubs and justified their approach at NUFC by comparing to those set-ups.

 

First of all, in September 2008, Mike Ashley justified our transfer policy by comparing it with that of Arsenal.

 

“Arsenal is the shining example in England of a sustainable business model. It takes time. It can’t be done overnight. Newcastle has therefore set up an extensive scouting system. We look for young players, for players in foreign leagues who everyone does not know about. We try and stay ahead of the competition. We search high and low looking for value, for potential that we can bring on and for players who will allow Newcastle to compete at the very highest level but who don’t cost the earth.”

 

No doubt, Arsene Wenger has brought in some fantastic young talent that he’s sold on at a profit. But the key to that is Arsene Wenger. Read what he said just a couple of days before the statement above was released.

 

“If I go into a job and someone says to me that you have a director of football who buys and sells the players, I accept or don’t accept it. If I accept it, I cannot complain. I would personally not accept that.”

 

The man has proven quality for bringing youth through at Arsenal, and he’s left alone to do it himself. He would not tolerate Dennis Wise or Jeff Vetere making those decisions for him. If he does take advice before deciding on a player, I wonder if he’d view our recruitment team as qualified to give it. We all know Dennis Wise’s history in the game and are perplexed by his appointment. He’s spent more time assaulting children than scouting them. But what about Vetere, maybe he’s every bit as good as Wenger, which talent has he spotted in his career?

 

Rushden and Diamonds - Andrew Burgess

 

Charlton Athletic - Grant Basey

 

Real Madrid - Daniel Opare

 

I’m sure these are able footballers, but they aren’t really proven quality up there with what’s been rolling off the production line at Arsenal are they? Vetere’s credited as a walking encyclopaedia by many, but most fans know someone like that, someone who wastes their life playing Championship Manager. We don’t believe it qualifies any of those people as premier league talent spotters.

 

The other point of consideration is that once the kids are through the door at Arsenal they have Arsene Wenger training them, a wise professor of the game, tactical genius and the man holding the baton behind some of the most gorgeous passing teams in the Premier league this past decade. They’re also playing alongside the cream of European talent. A kid coming to Newcastle will be taught by Joe Kinnear and play alongside Shola Ameobi, he doesn’t stand a chance.

 

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, while Arsenal have had this youth based model in place for many years, their debt currently stands at £318million, but that has not stopped them investing £88million in transfers over the last 5 years. They’ve not done anything on the cheap.

 

Which brings us to Aston Villa. In his recent interview Derek Llambias said:

 

“In five years we would hope to be challenging for everything, we hope to be like Aston Villa.”

 

Ignoring the fact that even when he said it Aston Villa were not challenging for everything, Mr Llambias seems not to grasp at all how Aston Villa have found themselves in their current improved position. For years Doug Ellis ran a tight ship at Villa, only investing within his own means and as a result Aston Villa floundered in mid-table and the fans got on his back.

 

The turning point came with the investment of Randy Lerner who (even as a billionaire who has spent much of his own money) has left a £63million debt according to the latest accounts.

 

This didn’t stop him from backing his manager (without a DOF sat above him) with transfers costing £32million this season.

 

It seems to me that the MD and owner are telling us the big name clubs they’re setting us up to emulate, but their actions speak far louder than words and in practice the reticence to build any debt, the lack of ambition to sign any proven quality displays far more amply that they are actually setting us up like a newly promoted team. One that hopes to get lucky with a mid-table finish, but more than anything is planning for inevitable relegation, whether it comes one season or next.

 

 

- If you enjoyed this article by Chris, there are many more like it available on his blog “A Compendium of Contradictions from Mike Ashley”, located at http://nufc-ashlies.blogspot.com.

 

I agree with most of this, posted by Happy Face on Non-Newcastle residents-Online.

 

HP and recently Ewerk look like a couple of gallant musketeers surrounded by a slavering rabble on N.O.

[ewerk 31195]

I've given up, there's no point in discussing the issue with people who would refuse to admit that they've changed their opinions even if they realise they're wrong.

Edited February 18, 2009 by ewerk

[Park Life 71]

I've given up, there's no point in discussing the issue with people who would refuse to admit that they've changed their opinions even if they realise they're wrong.

 

They all seem to want NUSC perfectly suited to their vision before they even think about getting involved.

[Fop 1]

I'll say it again. His obsession with immediately balancing the books is cause he still wants to sell the club.

 

Yup, he'd snap any buyer hand off, not that he'll get one.

[Park Life 71]

I'll say it again. His obsession with immediately balancing the books is cause he still wants to sell the club.

 

Yup, he'd snap any buyer hand off, not that he'll get one.

 

This is why I chortle when I see reams of Ashley defence on N.O.

 

He's trying to get out from under muppets!!!

[acrossthepond 878]

I almost fell out my chair when he called us perpetual. Are we doing to die a death soon too like?

[Jackies the Lad 0]

I'll say it again. His obsession with immediately balancing the books is cause he still wants to sell the club.

 

Yup, he'd snap any buyer hand off, not that he'll get one.

 

This is why I chortle when I see reams of Ashley defence on N.O.

 

He's trying to get out from under muppets!!!

 

 

But all must bear in mind that what comes next might be worse! Thought we'd all struck oil when we got Ashley.

 

I've never met the guy to make that assessment and I find it hard to pass judgement without ever meeting someone. There are always nexceptions to this rule and in Ashley's case he is an exception.

 

The more I here via Llambias and of Ashley's prowess and management skills the more I wonder. As time has gone by over the months, the more incredulous and frankly outright stupid things have become at NUFC.

 

Could it be any worse, the answer is I do not know, but I do know this is damn shit and I do wish for a change of regime, it's as simple as that.

 

I never for one minute thought we had struck oil and it would be wrong to say all of us had that view when Ashley rolled into town!

 

I guess a lot of us asked who the FKN hell is this who has bought our club, and with a very short negotiated transaction period.

[Guest alex]

We could conceivably do worse but I doubt we'd get anyone with worse intentions. I think it's safe to assume the chances are any new buyer would be better. It's hard to imagine them being more clueless about how to run a club.

[Park Life 71]

I'll say it again. His obsession with immediately balancing the books is cause he still wants to sell the club.

 

Yup, he'd snap any buyer hand off, not that he'll get one.

 

This is why I chortle when I see reams of Ashley defence on N.O.

 

He's trying to get out from under muppets!!!

 

 

But all must bear in mind that what comes next might be worse! Thought we'd all struck oil when we got Ashley.

 

If it's worse you can bet the defence will be bigger.

[Guest alex]

Have to laugh at the way Indy goes on. Wouldn't say boo to a goose in real life.

[Park Life 71]

Have to laugh at the way Indy goes on. Wouldn't say boo to a goose in real life.

 

 

Proper lecturing people an that.

[KingKev 0]

@Christmas tree: Don't you realise that Wise is a bloody deceitful dwarf? Can't stand the cunt. Just look at him.

 

Just imagine when he was our future manager - he would be under pressure from day one and never be accepted by the fans.

[Big Onion 0]

Aye but according to his logic the whole process of appointing a manager is a lottery, and therefore we may as well have little Dennis as anyone else

[Park Life 71]

I've had dreams about cutting his head off.

 

 

a) Should I apply for an FA coaching badge?

Should I sit while I wipe my arse?

c) Should I wank without the use of the trusty ladder?

[Big Onion 0]

Aye but according to his logic the whole process of appointing a manager is a lottery, and therefore we may as well have little Dennis as anyone else

 

It is a fucking lottery.

 

Ferguson was a few games from the sack and had it been newcastle rather than man u he probably would have got 2 years at most.

 

Daglish should have worked

Ramos, scolari, etc etc

 

Moyes, who knew

 

Fckn lottery

 

If you think a few examples of managers with good cvs failing in one or another job proves your point you are even dafter than I thought

 

Ferguson He was appointed on the basis of his remarkable success in Scotland and given the time he needed to show he could be just as successful in England. The fact he wasn't sacked was a matter of judgement on the part of their board. In other words he was kept on by design, which is absolutely nothing to do with luck - in a sense, the exact opposite in fact.

 

Moyes was known as one of the most promising young managers around when Everton appointed him. He did a brilliant job at Preston, and had been preparing for management for years before he started. You think they just plucked him out of the air?

 

Just because there are no guarantees a manager will be successful in one job or another that's not a very good reason to abandon all judgement and throw it to the winds.

 

Personally I think poyet would get us playing a good style of football.

 

Based on what? He might of course, but then again he might not. I'll have tails

[Happy Face 29]

Model Behaviour?

By Happy Face On Tue 17 Feb 2009 |

 

Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias have both told us the model they have in mind for Newcastle United. They have named two Champions League chasing clubs and justified their approach at NUFC by comparing to those set-ups.

 

First of all, in September 2008, Mike Ashley justified our transfer policy by comparing it with that of Arsenal.

 

“Arsenal is the shining example in England of a sustainable business model. It takes time. It can’t be done overnight. Newcastle has therefore set up an extensive scouting system. We look for young players, for players in foreign leagues who everyone does not know about. We try and stay ahead of the competition. We search high and low looking for value, for potential that we can bring on and for players who will allow Newcastle to compete at the very highest level but who don’t cost the earth.”

 

No doubt, Arsene Wenger has brought in some fantastic young talent that he’s sold on at a profit. But the key to that is Arsene Wenger. Read what he said just a couple of days before the statement above was released.

 

“If I go into a job and someone says to me that you have a director of football who buys and sells the players, I accept or don’t accept it. If I accept it, I cannot complain. I would personally not accept that.”

 

The man has proven quality for bringing youth through at Arsenal, and he’s left alone to do it himself. He would not tolerate Dennis Wise or Jeff Vetere making those decisions for him. If he does take advice before deciding on a player, I wonder if he’d view our recruitment team as qualified to give it. We all know Dennis Wise’s history in the game and are perplexed by his appointment. He’s spent more time assaulting children than scouting them. But what about Vetere, maybe he’s every bit as good as Wenger, which talent has he spotted in his career?

 

Rushden and Diamonds - Andrew Burgess

 

Charlton Athletic - Grant Basey

 

Real Madrid - Daniel Opare

 

I’m sure these are able footballers, but they aren’t really proven quality up there with what’s been rolling off the production line at Arsenal are they? Vetere’s credited as a walking encyclopaedia by many, but most fans know someone like that, someone who wastes their life playing Championship Manager. We don’t believe it qualifies any of those people as premier league talent spotters.

 

The other point of consideration is that once the kids are through the door at Arsenal they have Arsene Wenger training them, a wise professor of the game, tactical genius and the man holding the baton behind some of the most gorgeous passing teams in the Premier league this past decade. They’re also playing alongside the cream of European talent. A kid coming to Newcastle will be taught by Joe Kinnear and play alongside Shola Ameobi, he doesn’t stand a chance.

 

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, while Arsenal have had this youth based model in place for many years, their debt currently stands at £318million, but that has not stopped them investing £88million in transfers over the last 5 years. They’ve not done anything on the cheap.

 

Which brings us to Aston Villa. In his recent interview Derek Llambias said:

 

“In five years we would hope to be challenging for everything, we hope to be like Aston Villa.”

 

Ignoring the fact that even when he said it Aston Villa were not challenging for everything, Mr Llambias seems not to grasp at all how Aston Villa have found themselves in their current improved position. For years Doug Ellis ran a tight ship at Villa, only investing within his own means and as a result Aston Villa floundered in mid-table and the fans got on his back.

 

The turning point came with the investment of Randy Lerner who (even as a billionaire who has spent much of his own money) has left a £63million debt according to the latest accounts.

 

This didn’t stop him from backing his manager (without a DOF sat above him) with transfers costing £32million this season.

 

It seems to me that the MD and owner are telling us the big name clubs they’re setting us up to emulate, but their actions speak far louder than words and in practice the reticence to build any debt, the lack of ambition to sign any proven quality displays far more amply that they are actually setting us up like a newly promoted team. One that hopes to get lucky with a mid-table finish, but more than anything is planning for inevitable relegation, whether it comes one season or next.

 

 

- If you enjoyed this article by Chris, there are many more like it available on his blog “A Compendium of Contradictions from Mike Ashley”, located at http://nufc-ashlies.blogspot.com.

 

I agree with most of this, posted by Happy Face on Non-Newcastle residents-Online.

 

HP and recently Ewerk look like a couple of gallant musketeers surrounded by a slavering rabble on N.O.

 

[bawan 0]

Without reading the first or the last post or in fact any post in this topic. YOU CAN FUCK OFF AND GET SHOT WITH WISE IF YOU ARE STICKING UP FOR THE FUCKING COCK-EYED FUCK!!

 

FUCK YOU!

[Big Onion 0]

 

Wish I'd just said that instead of fannying about actually

[paddock 0]

Without reading the first or the last post or in fact any post in this topic. YOU CAN FUCK OFF AND GET SHOT WITH WISE IF YOU ARE STICKING UP FOR THE FUCKING COCK-EYED FUCK!!

 

FUCK YOU!

 

 

This ^^^^

[ewerk 31195]

He's on Soccer AM next week.

 

And CT, what the fuck were you thinking?

[peasepud 59]

He's on Soccer AM next week.

 

And CT, what the fuck were you thinking?

 

The opposite of most people, generally the case though

[Monkeys Fist 43066]

He's on Soccer AM next week.

 

And CT, what the fuck were you thinking?

 

The opposite of most people, generally the case though

Thinking???

Hmm

[Christmas Tree 4821]

I know this has been discussed in other topics this man really needs a topic of his own to thrash it out.

 

He is the most powerful person in our club that knows anything about football.

 

Before and since he arrived he has been slagged to oblivion, mainly for been one of those irritating players that you love to hate.

 

However he is out there trying to recruit the cream of the world football talent for our club. More over, in the position we are now in, he could be just the person to take over the reins and get us to safety.

 

Ex England Pro

Succesful Chelsea Manager

Managed a lower league team to the cup final

Has an average success ration of 47% with leeds

 

Realistically whoever we can drag in for the next 13 games will be reporting to him anyway, so why not just let him get on with it. I would rather have someone like him with balls and a fierce desire to succeed on the sideline than Hughton or B Robson or Venables.

 

Come on Dennis, Save our season

 

(And yes Alex I know, smb or wum )

 

 

Should have listened....... Could have been pushing for Europe by now.

[Rob W 0]

The only offer I'd make to Wise is

 

"Do you want this blindfold or not?"