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[Guest alex]

I'd prefer taylor upfront rather than rw - he is better in the air and a better finisher than any of our tall strikers

Sunday morning stuff that man. He'd almost certainly struggle if he played with his back to goal.

 

Agree but a sad reflection of our striking options because as gash as he maybe at hold up play i still reckon he would be better than ameobi or as good as carroll - obviously he won't be played there but against stoke somebody is going to have to step up to the plate physically in our forward line and take some pain for the team - i just don't know who is willing or able

 

 

Guaranteed that Shearer will have Taylor in the side when fit, guaranteed

Guaranteed it won't be upfront or RW though.

Edited April 6, 2009 by alex

[TicTacWoe 0]

Ryan Taylor no way.

 

I honestly can not understand the hero worship of Jonas. He does not deserve it.

 

Yeah, i would even try taylor up front. Try anything than the "lets just stick with Jonas" brigade.

 

HE came from Mallorca man ffs.

You should be able to understand it as you've invented it.

 

You said he had a good game against Chelsea......4 out of 10 was the mark in my paper. Even shearer called him "fucking useless" during the game

 

I don't know anyone who even remotely worships Jonas. I think his work rate means people want him to do well more than others (ie Duff) who don't seem to be trying as much but in the end I think we all can see that Jonas isn't cut out for this league in the long term. That being said, we don't have many options and Steven Taylor as a right winger is certainly not one of the more viable ones.

[Norbert Colon 0]

I'd prefer taylor upfront rather than rw - he is better in the air and a better finisher than any of our tall strikers

Sunday morning stuff that man. He'd almost certainly struggle if he played with his back to goal.

 

Agree but a sad reflection of our striking options because as gash as he maybe at hold up play i still reckon he would be better than ameobi or as good as carroll - obviously he won't be played there but against stoke somebody is going to have to step up to the plate physically in our forward line and take some pain for the team - i just don't know who is willing or able

I know, tt’s clutching at straws due to our plight. Wouldn’t work imo and would be worse than other options. I’d stick with Owen and Martins anyway though, even away to Stoke. Carroll or Xisco being an option on the bench.

 

I have a feeling an owen/martins combination would get booted out of the game - counter attacking football is great when you have the pace of martins but no-one from midfield can break with him and i would think this would resort to hoofball tactics or the woefully inadequate wing play we have shown so far this season - i would prefer three up front with martins and owen working from the hold up play of carroll/viduka or ameobi

[TicTacWoe 0]

If not to have the balls to try something different, why the change from Hughton to Shearer?

 

I'm not saying we shouldn't try something different, I was all for giving Lua Lua a run before we sent him out on loan, I just genuinely don't think Steven Taylor is a better option than Jonas, I don't have a better suggestion for you, I'm just hoping that Shearer can get the midfield we have playing better than Hughton and Kinnear.

 

In any case I'm pretty sure Shearer is not the sort to do something as extreme as putting a centre back on the wing. Considering he's only just taken over I doubt he'll do anything to extreme with the lineup just yet, he'll more likely try to get the best out of what we have.

Edited April 6, 2009 by TicTacWoe

[Park Life 71]

While stats don't tell the whole story they are pretty meaningful when you're talking about goals and assists, especially over a sustained period of time.

 

 

The fact that Jonas has four assists this season means nothing to me when I witness the complete drivel I see from that player each time I watch him. He seems to have gone downhill all season and I see no light at the end of the tunnel after Saturdays game. Mind you, I hope he comes good, because without some creativity we are doomed.

 

Personally I would rather try something else.

Meaning nothing to you and meaningless are two different things

I'm not saying he's been great but it does dispel the no end prooduct myth a bit because it shows he's contributing something in those terms as well as his effort and ability to run at players etc. As for going downhill all season I think it's more of a case of not living up to the promise he showed v Man Utd in the first match. As someone else mention he seems to be getting stick for not working wonders when he's done alright (at least in relation to most of his colleagues).

 

 

 

Bollocks! 4 assists, two agains villa iirc, does not dispel the no end product myth.

 

Apart from running like a headless chicken he has been hopeless all season and was missing for 80 minutes against Chelsea.

 

Quite probably the most overated player at Newcastle for some time.

The problem is we have nothing else at all. Seriously look at the rest of our midfield and they provide nothing whatsover. Duff can't run, pass, cross, beat a man, tackle or anything. Butt can't pass five yards, Nolan looks at least a yard off the pace, Gutherie has the odd good spell but then completely dissapears, Barton is never available. How ever much Jonas may be disapointing after an excellent debut, he's still been better than all of our other midfielders. He's certainly not above criticism but he's the last one out of our midfield we need to get rid of.

 

Not really, people like Butt are defensive so the whole midfield can not simply be lumped together. I can not accept the argument that we have to stick with a creative midfielder who does not create.

 

It simply is not working and has not been working for some time.

 

Something different needs to be tried whether it be a change of formation or personell.

 

Alex, unless you had two many sherberts before the game, I honestly can not believe you thought he had a good game against Chelsea. He spent most of the game hiding and avoiding the ball. He had an alright (by his crap standards) last 15 minutes, but that was it.

 

There are different options open. I would play S Taylor on the right wing.

 

Didnt keegan have success with Cacappa out right towards the end of last season.

 

FFS I would rather go down trying something different than doing the same non working option.

 

My team against stoke would be.

 

Harper

 

Beye Bassong Colochini Enrique

 

S Taylor Barton Guthrie Martins

 

Owen Xisco

 

 

FWIW Enrique would make a more dangerous winger than Jonocross.

[TicTacWoe 0]

While stats don't tell the whole story they are pretty meaningful when you're talking about goals and assists, especially over a sustained period of time.

 

 

The fact that Jonas has four assists this season means nothing to me when I witness the complete drivel I see from that player each time I watch him. He seems to have gone downhill all season and I see no light at the end of the tunnel after Saturdays game. Mind you, I hope he comes good, because without some creativity we are doomed.

 

Personally I would rather try something else.

Meaning nothing to you and meaningless are two different things

I'm not saying he's been great but it does dispel the no end prooduct myth a bit because it shows he's contributing something in those terms as well as his effort and ability to run at players etc. As for going downhill all season I think it's more of a case of not living up to the promise he showed v Man Utd in the first match. As someone else mention he seems to be getting stick for not working wonders when he's done alright (at least in relation to most of his colleagues).

 

 

 

Bollocks! 4 assists, two agains villa iirc, does not dispel the no end product myth.

 

Apart from running like a headless chicken he has been hopeless all season and was missing for 80 minutes against Chelsea.

 

Quite probably the most overated player at Newcastle for some time.

The problem is we have nothing else at all. Seriously look at the rest of our midfield and they provide nothing whatsover. Duff can't run, pass, cross, beat a man, tackle or anything. Butt can't pass five yards, Nolan looks at least a yard off the pace, Gutherie has the odd good spell but then completely dissapears, Barton is never available. How ever much Jonas may be disapointing after an excellent debut, he's still been better than all of our other midfielders. He's certainly not above criticism but he's the last one out of our midfield we need to get rid of.

 

Not really, people like Butt are defensive so the whole midfield can not simply be lumped together. I can not accept the argument that we have to stick with a creative midfielder who does not create.

 

It simply is not working and has not been working for some time.

 

Something different needs to be tried whether it be a change of formation or personell.

 

Alex, unless you had two many sherberts before the game, I honestly can not believe you thought he had a good game against Chelsea. He spent most of the game hiding and avoiding the ball. He had an alright (by his crap standards) last 15 minutes, but that was it.

 

There are different options open. I would play S Taylor on the right wing.

 

Didnt keegan have success with Cacappa out right towards the end of last season.

 

FFS I would rather go down trying something different than doing the same non working option.

 

My team against stoke would be.

 

Harper

 

Beye Bassong Colochini Enrique

 

S Taylor Barton Guthrie Martins

 

Owen Xisco

 

 

FWIW Enrique would make a more dangerous winger than Jonocross.

 

I'd be happy with Enrique being moved to left wing but then who do we play at left back? Ryan Taylor I suppose...It's a pity Kadar has been so injury prone since he signed, he could potentially have been decent cover for defensive positions.

Edited April 6, 2009 by TicTacWoe

[Park Life 71]

Enrique is the best winger at the club. There are signs in his ball control, dribbling and goodish pace. I would let him loose on the left wing for the home games. But then again I'm a tactical genius.

Edited April 6, 2009 by Park Life

[Guest alex]

I'd prefer taylor upfront rather than rw - he is better in the air and a better finisher than any of our tall strikers

Sunday morning stuff that man. He'd almost certainly struggle if he played with his back to goal.

 

Agree but a sad reflection of our striking options because as gash as he maybe at hold up play i still reckon he would be better than ameobi or as good as carroll - obviously he won't be played there but against stoke somebody is going to have to step up to the plate physically in our forward line and take some pain for the team - i just don't know who is willing or able

 

 

Guaranteed that Shearer will have Taylor in the side when fit, guaranteed

Guaranteed it won't be upfront or RW though.

 

 

You seem to offer no opinion as to what YOU would do differently with the team. Same old same old and a bit more hope, it seems.

I'd go with Owen and Martins upfront and Jonas and Lovenkrands wide and two holding in midfield. Think I already did say that though.

[Guest alex]

Enrique is the best winger at the club. There are signs in his ball control, dribbling and goodish pace. I would let him loose on the left wing for the home games. But then again I'm a tactical genius.

Different coming from a deeper position though. Plus, he's been class defensively and there are no viable alternatives at LB.

[Park Life 71]

Enrique is the best winger at the club. There are signs in his ball control, dribbling and goodish pace. I would let him loose on the left wing for the home games. But then again I'm a tactical genius.

Different coming from a deeper position though. Plus, he's been class defensively and there are no viable alternatives at LB.

 

One of the reasons we don't win games is we don't create chances/crosses, Jonas and LoveK won't change that. Neither can cross a ball while running.

Edited April 6, 2009 by Park Life

[Guest alex]

I know but Owen's movement gives those players different options. I think it worked reasonably well on Saturday given the level of opposition is worth continuing with.

[Norbert Colon 0]

Enrique is the best winger at the club. There are signs in his ball control, dribbling and goodish pace. I would let him loose on the left wing for the home games. But then again I'm a tactical genius.

Different coming from a deeper position though. Plus, he's been class defensively and there are no viable alternatives at LB.

 

One of the reasons we don't win games is we don't create chances/crosses, Jonas and LoveK won't change that. Neither can cross a ball while running.

Agreed - and the midfield is overrun because there is no ball retention or pressure on the oppositions back four - 2 holding midfielders (ours in particular) will still get mobbed or completely bipassed by stokes long ball

Edited April 6, 2009 by Norbert Colon

[Papa Lazaru 0]

I know but Owen's movement gives those players different options. I think it worked reasonably well on Saturday given the level of opposition is worth continuing with.

 

I'm never against playing a combo like Owen/Martins as i don't think you have to have the big/little partnership all the time. However it was pretty pointless when Harper insisted on 90 mins of refusing to throw the ball out early and humped it up for their two CB's to win with ease. Added to that he shanked and sliced half his clearances and the strikers were getting nothing. What's worse is Martin's repeatedly went wide to isolate 1 defender and was begging Harper to kick it early but, no he held it up and then lauched it up to Terry. And unbelievably once Carroll was brought on he hoofed 1 or 2 balls outwide and another time with Carroll waiting he chose to pick out Owen to battle for it in the air instead!

 

People went on about Givens distribution but Harpers is at times a disgrace, he rarely if ever uses quick, early balls and wastes just as many kicks as Given did.

 

But if the team plays the right way, and the midfield contributes something then Owen and Martin's is my choice to start with.

[Guest alex]

We were all saying where I sit that he’s managed to dispel the myth his kicking is better than Given’s.

[Tooj 17]

We were all saying where I sit that he’s managed to dispel the myth his kicking is better than Given’s.

It has been woeful since he became first choice. His distribution in general has been as well as his lack of urgency.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

We were all saying where I sit that he’s managed to dispel the myth his kicking is better than Given’s.

 

At least Given's was mostly just some dodgy clearances, Harper has that but its his choice not to play early balls and counter attack that really annoys me, when he follows it up with aimless and innaccurate punts to nobody.

 

People might not think its that important, but over the 90 mins he surrendered possesion to Chelsea so many times that it built up the pressure on our piss poor midfield and our as ever overworked defence!

 

But its still midfield thats the biggest issue and has been as we all know for sometime. Duff was shockingly bad, the only things i remember from him were wasting some excellent passes by Enrique and hitting the ball back to Colocini for some reason in the lead up to their goal. Butt did everything he could defensively but obviously offers little or nothing attack wise, Nolan just offered nothing at all.

Jonas ran at people and played quite well tbh but especially second half Chelsea knew fine well to have him well marked as nobody else was offering anything in attack and he was mostly taken out the game.

[Guest alex]

Harper always takes his time like. Sends me Dad beserk.

[TicTacWoe 0]

Harper always takes his time like. Sends me Dad beserk.

 

I don't mid this to some extent, I always found Shay to be too urgent personally, the problem which has already has been mentioned, is that after taking his time Harper still sends the ball to back to the opposition.

Edited April 6, 2009 by TicTacWoe

[Guest alex]

We were all saying where I sit that he’s managed to dispel the myth his kicking is better than Given’s.

 

At least Given's was mostly just some dodgy clearances, Harper has that but its his choice not to play early balls and counter attack that really annoys me, when he follows it up with aimless and innaccurate punts to nobody.

 

People might not think its that important, but over the 90 mins he surrendered possesion to Chelsea so many times that it built up the pressure on our piss poor midfield and our as ever overworked defence!

 

But its still midfield thats the biggest issue and has been as we all know for sometime. Duff was shockingly bad, the only things i remember from him were wasting some excellent passes by Enrique and hitting the ball back to Colocini for some reason in the lead up to their goal. Butt did everything he could defensively but obviously offers little or nothing attack wise, Nolan just offered nothing at all.

Jonas ran at people and played quite well tbh but especially second half Chelsea knew fine well to have him well marked as nobody else was offering anything in attack and he was mostly taken out the game.

 

I get the impression Enrique cant stand playing with Duff and always tries to find another pass on if possible.

Aye, he likes playing with Jonas

[Guest alex]

Harper always takes his time like. Sends me Dad beserk.

 

I don't mid this to some extent, I always found Shay to be too urgent personally, the problem which has already has been mentioned, is that after taking his time he still sends the ball to back to the opposition.

Harper does it when we're getting beat 2-nowt though, i.e. the same laborious routine. More edge than a broken piss-pot.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

We were all saying where I sit that he’s managed to dispel the myth his kicking is better than Given’s.

 

At least Given's was mostly just some dodgy clearances, Harper has that but its his choice not to play early balls and counter attack that really annoys me, when he follows it up with aimless and innaccurate punts to nobody.

 

People might not think its that important, but over the 90 mins he surrendered possesion to Chelsea so many times that it built up the pressure on our piss poor midfield and our as ever overworked defence!

 

But its still midfield thats the biggest issue and has been as we all know for sometime. Duff was shockingly bad, the only things i remember from him were wasting some excellent passes by Enrique and hitting the ball back to Colocini for some reason in the lead up to their goal. Butt did everything he could defensively but obviously offers little or nothing attack wise, Nolan just offered nothing at all.

Jonas ran at people and played quite well tbh but especially second half Chelsea knew fine well to have him well marked as nobody else was offering anything in attack and he was mostly taken out the game.

 

I get the impression Enrique cant stand playing with Duff and always tries to find another pass on if possible.

 

And who can blame him! You're right though, i think i remember later in the game he looked for any option other than Duff as he was sick to death of his pin point passes being pissed away!

[Park Life 71]

Harper always takes his time like. Sends me Dad beserk.

 

I don't mid this to some extent, I always found Shay to be too urgent personally, the problem which has already has been mentioned, is that after taking his time Harper still sends the ball to back to the opposition.

 

Why in gods name don't they just roll it or overarm it to a defender? 9/10 the launch loses possession immediately.

Edited April 6, 2009 by Park Life

[TicTacWoe 0]

Harper always takes his time like. Sends me Dad beserk.

 

I don't mid this to some extent, I always found Shay to be too urgent personally, the problem which has already has been mentioned, is that after taking his time Harper still sends the ball to back to the opposition.

 

Why in gods name don't they just roll it or overarm it to a defender? 9/10 the launch loses possession immediately.

 

Good point but it would probably result in-Harper rolls it to Taylor, Taylor lumps it upfield, goal kick to Stoke.

[Asprilla 96]

I can't see a 4-4-2 with Owen and Martins working personally. We don't have anywhere near good enough wingers and Owen and Martins don't link up that well IMO. Keegan had the luxury of a fit Viduka for a few games and it got the best out of Owen. I'd like to see anyone with a bit of pace from the reserves given a run and to try and get a link man between the strikers and the midfield.

[Park Life 71]

I can't see a 4-4-2 with Owen and Martins working personally. We don't have anywhere near good enough wingers and Owen and Martins don't link up that well IMO. Keegan had the luxury of a fit Viduka for a few games and it got the best out of Owen. I'd like to see anyone with a bit of pace from the reserves given a run and to try and get a link man between the strikers and the midfield.

 

Totally agree, we haven't got the strength in the middle to hold a 442, plus the wingers aren't good enough to raise other benefits. KK it seems really knew what he was upto.