Fighting fat

[trophyshy 7095]

A patient told me I'd have a beer gut in a few years. Cheeky fucker wasn't laughing after I stopped all his life-saving medicines.

[The Fish 11079]

Quickly turning into the shit jokes thread this mind.

 

 

I'm surprised Fish's contribution to this thread has passed without comment yet.

obsession is an ugly master Luke, you should look to concentrating on losing some weight of your own

 

 

I don't think I'm flattering myself when I say that I'm probably in better shape than 99% of posters on here, which probably includes you.

 

I wasn't insulting you, merely commenting on Wacky's point about shit jokes, and that in a thread like this your fatness (real or not) is often referred to, particularly when you've posted in it.

 

The fact you took it as an insult though speaks volumes.

 

 

As you say in most threads about weight, especially the ones I post in, I'm normally the butt of some joke or other, so my defensive stance is justified.

 

I eat because I'm persecuted

 

tbh going off this thread I'd say I was higher up the ladder than I thought in terms of fitness

[Scottish Mag 3]

Re: cooking for yourself, I raise it because it's weird how you start to give more of a shit about what you put down your throat when you're the one preparing it. The bolognese I had tonight tasted not too dissimilar from the the stuff you get from Dolmio or Ragu and yet it's without any of the shit that comes part and parcel of the jarred variety.

 

So it tasted rotten then?

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Quickly turning into the shit jokes thread this mind.

 

 

I'm surprised Fish's contribution to this thread has passed without comment yet.

obsession is an ugly master Luke, you should look to concentrating on losing some weight of your own

 

 

I don't think I'm flattering myself when I say that I'm probably in better shape than 99% of posters on here, which probably includes you.

 

I wasn't insulting you, merely commenting on Wacky's point about shit jokes, and that in a thread like this your fatness (real or not) is often referred to, particularly when you've posted in it.

 

The fact you took it as an insult though speaks volumes.

 

 

I must be in the 1% then, I'm like a fucking machine at the minute.

[Tooj 17]

Quickly turning into the shit jokes thread this mind.

 

 

I'm surprised Fish's contribution to this thread has passed without comment yet.

obsession is an ugly master Luke, you should look to concentrating on losing some weight of your own

 

 

I don't think I'm flattering myself when I say that I'm probably in better shape than 99% of posters on here, which probably includes you.

 

I wasn't insulting you, merely commenting on Wacky's point about shit jokes, and that in a thread like this your fatness (real or not) is often referred to, particularly when you've posted in it.

 

The fact you took it as an insult though speaks volumes.

 

 

I must be in the 1% then, I'm like a fucking machine at the minute.

So's your lass.

[trophyshy 7095]

cut out beer and any soft drinks. drink water and whiskey/vodka

run 10 miles a week, walk any journey you can

eat cereals, vegetables and low fat meat, not too many carbs

snack on fruit as has been said, celery and carrots also good.

cut out beer

cut out cheese

get used to feeling a bit hungry, its alright really.

cut out beer

best exercise is stuff you enjoy doing - football, sex, dance, swimming work for me.

 

having said all that I've got a kite like a paratrooper, just started running yesterday for the GNR.

[soccermom 0]

cut out beer and any soft drinks. drink water and whiskey/vodka

run 10 miles a week, walk any journey you can

eat cereals, vegetables and low fat meat, not too many carbs

snack on fruit as has been said, celery and carrots also good.

cut out beer

cut out cheese

get used to feeling a bit hungry, its alright really.

cut out beer

best exercise is stuff you enjoy doing - football, sex, dance, swimming work for me.

 

having said all that I've got a kite like a paratrooper, just started running yesterday for the GNR.

 

 

I love it

[Guest alex]

Re: cooking for yourself, I raise it because it's weird how you start to give more of a shit about what you put down your throat when you're the one preparing it. The bolognese I had tonight tasted not too dissimilar from the the stuff you get from Dolmio or Ragu and yet it's without any of the shit that comes part and parcel of the jarred variety.

 

So it tasted rotten then?

[Fop 1]

Why do some people never seem to get fat?

 

 

By Katie Fraser

BBC News Magazine

 

The UK is a country obsessed by the threat of obesity. As the average person's weight has grown, so has coverage of the subject.

 

The chief medical officer for England, Sir Liam Donaldson, has said we are facing an "obesity timebomb". Culinary celebrities like Jamie Oliver have launched campaigns, in homes and school kitchens, to fight the fat war.

 

FIND OUT MORE...

Horizon's Why Aren't Thin People Fat is on BBC Two at 2100 GMT on Monday, 26 January

Or watch it later on the BBC iPlayer

 

Yet the science of weight gain is less straightforward than the headlines sometimes suggest. Why, for example, do some people seem to eat what they like and not put on weight, while others limit their diet yet struggle to shed their bulk?

 

In 1967, a medical researcher, Ethan Sims, carried out an experiment at Vermont state prison in the US. He recruited inmates to eat as much as they could to gain 25% of their body weight, in return for early release from prison.

 

Some of the volunteers could not reach the target however hard they tried, even though they were eating 10,000 calories a day. Sims's conclusion was that for some, obesity is nearly impossible.

 

It was with this in mind that 10 slim volunteers - who were not dieters - convened in more hospitable circumstances, for a recent experiment devised by the BBC's Horizon documentary. The 10 spent four weeks gorging on as much pizza, chips, ice cream and chocolate as they could, while doing no exercise, and severely limiting the amount they walked.

 

'Friends hate me'

 

Medical student Katherine Hanan, 21, says she had never dieted or done very much exercise before the experiment.

Pre-experiment, Katherine Hanan: 'I've always eaten whatever I want to'

 

"I've always eaten whatever I want to eat and I've always been quite slim. I'm really lucky and my friends hate me," she says.

 

During the study, Katherine and the other volunteers had to eat double their usual amount of daily calories, which varied from 3,500 for the women to 5,000 for the men.

 

Keeping a close watch on the trial was Dr Rudy Leibel of Colombia University, New York, who believes we all have a biologically determined natural weight which our bodies make an effort to stick to, whether it is fat or thin.

 

"The body will constantly tend to try to bring you back to whatever your normal body weight is," he says.

 

But he does not think this is the full story. There are other issues that influence a person's weight.

 

"Fifty per cent is down to genes and the rest is probably down to environment. If you get the gene for Huntington's you have the disease 100% of the time. That's certainly not the case with obesity."

 

The four-week eat-a-thon was easier for some than for others.

 

Volunteer Thomas Patel-Campbell, a keen sportsman and runner, struggled with the cap on physical exertion that was one of the terms of the experiment.

 

Snacks and puddings

 

"Eating that much was pretty easy as I'd been eating more than usual in preparation for my run," he says. "I was one of the two who weren't sick at all. What was difficult was limiting myself to 5,000 steps a day.

'I'd eat half a tub of ice cream... a couple of puddings... a pint-and-a-half of chocolate milk'

 

"The least I did was when I spent a day at home, only leaving the house to go to McDonald's and the shops. Even that was 8,000 steps."

 

Katherine described a typical day's menu for her while taking part in the study. She made up most of her calorie intake by eating sugary snacks and puddings.

 

"I'd wake up and have two pain au chocolats plus a large hot chocolate with cream. Mid-morning I'd have a packet of high-fat crisps or a chocolate mousse, sometimes it might even be a small meal. Lunch would be substantial - shepherds'' pie or something.

 

"In the afternoon I'd eat half a tub of ice cream. At night it would be almost the same evening meal as before except I'd have a couple of puddings. I'd also drink a pint-and-a-half of chocolate milk with… ice cream every day."

 

Unlike Thomas, Katherine found her body rejected this enforced gluttony - leading her to vomit each week.

 

And two other volunteers couldn't even get that far - finding they couldn't consume the full allocation of food each day, failing to hit their calorie targets.

 

Persistent hunger

 

After four weeks Katherine had gained 3.5kg - almost a 7% gain in body weight. Thomas, meanwhile, put on 5.5kg - a 9% gain in body weight.

 

Think of it like a thermostat and that each person has a set point

Dr Rudy Leibel

 

Of the two who struggled to reach their targets, one put on just 0.5kg - a mere 1% gain in body weight, while the other actually saw their body fat percentage go down slightly, despite putting on 5.7kg.

 

The results highlight the different ways our bodies behave when faced with excess calories.

 

One expert, Professor Jane Wardle, believes there could be a genetic answer, through what's known as the FTO gene. Adults who have one variant of this gene weigh on average more than everybody else.

 

Ms Wardle believes the gene can influence appetite, leading some people to not know when they are full. Those without the gene, she thinks, find it easier to say no to food.

 

"It's kind of effortless because they don't even want to eat. They're not having to exert willpower and self-control whereas for other people, their brain responses to foods that they're exposed to aren't being switched off effectively as a consequence of them already having had enough."

 

Dr Leibel observes that for some people, such as those who couldn't reach their calorie targets, the appetite hardly fluctuates regardless of how much they want, or are told, to eat.

 

Muscle not fat

 

This can work both ways, says Dr Leibel. If someone loses a lot of weight, they often have persistent hunger, even if they are eating enough to sustain themselves.

 

"Think of it like a thermostat and that each person has a set point," says Dr Leibel. "When it is reduced below that point the body begins to do things that will force it to recover its lost body weight."

 

And while excess calories can lead many people to put on body fat, one volunteer in the study defied convention by putting on a lot of weight (4.5kg) while his appearance didn't seem to alter. Instead of fat, the weight had gone on as muscle as the volunteer's metabolic rate had risen 30%.

 

This is another reason, says Dr Carel le Roux, an obesity specialist who oversaw the experiment, why some people appear not to get fat despite eating at lot.

 

"Studies have shown that this tendency to lay down muscle rather than fat when we over-eat is genetically determined," she says.

 

For those who did show any signs of having overindulged after the experiment was over, they soon got back to normal, and not through a rigorous diet and exercise regime. Thomas found it happened easily.

 

"After the first week," he says, "my trousers fitted almost as well as before, and it didn't take long for my belts to be back to the right button hole."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7838668.stm

[Jimbo 175]

Looks like jessica Simpson had a good Christmas

 

[SloopJohn 0]

that can't be real

[Fop 1]

Can a common virus make you fat?

 

By Diane Roberts

BBC News health producer

 

Waist measurement is one of the best ways of establishing obesity

 

Could it really be possible to catch obesity?

 

One doctor in the US believes that a common cold virus can interfere with our normal body processes and make us fat.

 

For the past ten years, Dr Nikhil Dhurandhar from Louisiana has been carrying out animal and human studies on the virus, Adenovirus-36.

 

He believes it could be one of the mechanisms causing some people to put on weight more quickly.

 

His team at the Pennington Biomedical Research Centre have now documented more than 1,000 patients whose obesity appears to be linked to infection with the virus.

 

Dr Dhurandhar's team took blood samples from people an obesity clinic.

 

They tested it for antibodies to Adenovirus-36 and found that 20% of the patients had encountered the virus at some point and were significantly heavier than their antibody negative counterparts.

 

In another study, they showed that obese people were nearly three times more likely to have the virus than a non obese person and even amongst the non obese group, those with the virus were heavier than average.

 

 

OBESITY FACTS

One in three adults in the UK will be obese by 2012

By 11 years of age, 33% of children in the UK are overweight or obese

9,000 adults in the UK die early every year because of obesity

 

Dr Dhurandhar said: "When this virus goes to the fat tissue it replicates making more copies of itself and in the process increases the number of fat cells, which may explain why people get fat when infected with this virus."

 

So if we want to remain slim, should we be shunning fat people?

 

Dr Dhurandhar said we probably encounter it first when we are small children and only remain infective for two to three months and there are many other reasons why we get fat.

 

And Dr Carel Le Roux, an obesity expert at Imperial College, whose been carrying out experiments to see if he can make thin people fat, said: "It's very important to know that it's not the reason why we're seeing a major epidemic of obesity.

 

"It may be a small contributing factor and we need to explore all the avenues because so many people need help and we're just not clever enough to help them at the moment."

 

The World Health Organisation says that globally there are more than a billion overweight adults and a third of them are obese.

 

Obesity rates that have risen three-fold or more since 1980 in some areas of North America, the United Kingdom, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, the Pacific Islands, Australasia and China.

 

But Dr Tam Fry, chair of the Child Growth Foundation, said: "I'm sceptical because this theory has been around for 10 years and no-one has come up with a comparable study to back this up.

 

"Concern over the obesity epidemic seems to be throwing up a whole load of off-the-wall ideas but the message remains the same, that sensible eating and exercise are the major components to get your weight under control."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7851031.stm