Guest alex Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Funny like as although I don't post on N-O any more the mood seems to be shifting there too from what I can gather looking at the odd thread there. My answer's no, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Back on topic Can anyone seriously say that they trust Ashley to get it right? I know theres half of AN other message board that do and one maybe two on here but can anyone explain it to me? Can any of those give me two examples of things said or done in last 3 months that have been true? Looking around various other boards and also speaking to people away from the internet it seems that most people don't trust him at all but unfortunately apathy is setting in and people are resigning themselves to the inevitable Tbh mate, I'm that way myself. I don't know what the best way to tackle things is. I feel so helpless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 We're building a squad for the Championship. We're going down this season unless something drastic happens over the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 There's loads of poor sides man. Not saying we aren't one of them but Hull, Stoke, Pompey, West Brom, Sunderland, Blackburn, Boro - all shite as well. If we beat West Ham we'll go above them and they're 10th. They're canny shite as well btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbert Colon 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think the club are paranoid about selling themselves down the river financially - I can honestly see some clubs going tits up in the near future as a result of unsustainable wage and debt levels - as unpalatable as this may be for us it may well be the best strategy - build up from a solid base with younger players - nobody truly knows what is going on behind the scenes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 There's loads of poor sides man. Not saying we aren't one of them but Hull, Stoke, Pompey, West Brom, Sunderland, Blackburn, Boro - all shite as well. If we beat West Ham we'll go above them and they're 10th. They're canny shite as well btw. Difference is when I look at those sides I get the feeling they're underperforming. They've got large squads with some fairly good players and by rights probably shouldn't be down there. We've got a small squad with some decent players but it's decimated by injuries. Our first choice XI when everyone is fit looks good on paper, but any amount of injuries and we look shite. We've got no one of Premiership quality as back up to our first choice back four, if Owen gets injured we'll have to play with Shola and Carroll upfront. I honestly think we're fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Can any of those give me two examples of things said or done in last 3 months that have been true? I pored over his recent statement and found 2 lines that are genuinely true.... "There is still lots to play for between now and May." "After the Spurs win I saw we were only five points off a top six place" Nowt to do with plans, ambitions, commitment, improvements or how those 2 things are of interest to us, but do I win a prize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) There's loads of poor sides man. Not saying we aren't one of them but Hull, Stoke, Pompey, West Brom, Sunderland, Blackburn, Boro - all shite as well. If we beat West Ham we'll go above them and they're 10th. They're canny shite as well btw. Difference is when I look at those sides I get the feeling they're underperforming. They've got large squads with some fairly good players and by rights probably shouldn't be down there. We've got a small squad with some decent players but it's decimated by injuries. Our first choice XI when everyone is fit looks good on paper, but any amount of injuries and we look shite. We've got no one of Premiership quality as back up to our first choice back four, if Owen gets injured we'll have to play with Shola and Carroll upfront. I honestly think we're fucked. I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. I just don't buy into being inevitable by any means, even without January reinforcements. Edited January 7, 2009 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 There's loads of poor sides man. Not saying we aren't one of them but Hull, Stoke, Pompey, West Brom, Sunderland, Blackburn, Boro - all shite as well. If we beat West Ham we'll go above them and they're 10th. They're canny shite as well btw. Difference is when I look at those sides I get the feeling they're underperforming. They've got large squads with some fairly good players and by rights probably shouldn't be down there. We've got a small squad with some decent players but it's decimated by injuries. Our first choice XI when everyone is fit looks good on paper, but any amount of injuries and we look shite. We've got no one of Premiership quality as back up to our first choice back four, if Owen gets injured we'll have to play with Shola and Carroll upfront. I honestly think we're fucked. I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. I just don't buy into being inevitable by any means, even without January reinforcements. I can't see us picking up points on a regular basis without a full strength squad/improvements this month. WBA look to be finding a bit of form and could drag themselves out of the mire as could Blackburn. I wonder what odds I could get on all three NE clubs going down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flair 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 There's loads of poor sides man. Not saying we aren't one of them but Hull, Stoke, Pompey, West Brom, Sunderland, Blackburn, Boro - all shite as well. If we beat West Ham we'll go above them and they're 10th. They're canny shite as well btw. Difference is when I look at those sides I get the feeling they're underperforming. They've got large squads with some fairly good players and by rights probably shouldn't be down there. We've got a small squad with some decent players but it's decimated by injuries. Our first choice XI when everyone is fit looks good on paper, but any amount of injuries and we look shite. We've got no one of Premiership quality as back up to our first choice back four, if Owen gets injured we'll have to play with Shola and Carroll upfront. I honestly think we're fucked. Yet you think we are overperforming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 There's loads of poor sides man. Not saying we aren't one of them but Hull, Stoke, Pompey, West Brom, Sunderland, Blackburn, Boro - all shite as well. If we beat West Ham we'll go above them and they're 10th. They're canny shite as well btw. Difference is when I look at those sides I get the feeling they're underperforming. They've got large squads with some fairly good players and by rights probably shouldn't be down there. We've got a small squad with some decent players but it's decimated by injuries. Our first choice XI when everyone is fit looks good on paper, but any amount of injuries and we look shite. We've got no one of Premiership quality as back up to our first choice back four, if Owen gets injured we'll have to play with Shola and Carroll upfront. I honestly think we're fucked. Yet you think we are overperforming? Nope, but I think our best is worse than the best of the clubs around us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Credit where it's due like, £5 for kids to see an FA cup game (Hull replay) shouldn't be sniffed at. Helps to avoid an embarrasing vote of no-confidence style sub 10k crowd of course, but still. Edited January 7, 2009 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Credit where it's due like, £5 for kids to see an FA cup game (Hull replay) shouldn't be sniffed at. Helps to avoid an embarrasing vote of no-confidence style sub 10k crowd of course, but still. The ticket prices for cup games are one of the good things they have done since they took over tbf. Edited January 7, 2009 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Its a good job they are though, Ive just been doing some digging on the average attendances and its a worry. 05/06 our average was 52,049 In 06/07 it dropped by 2.7% to 50,662 then last year it went up to 51,321 so far this year (and I acknowledge its not a fully valid statistic as its not at the end and we havent played 3 of the big 4 at home yet) but its dropped so far to 47,434 thats a drop of 7.6% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think the club are paranoid about selling themselves down the river financially - I can honestly see some clubs going tits up in the near future as a result of unsustainable wage and debt levels - as unpalatable as this may be for us it may well be the best strategy - build up from a solid base with younger players - nobody truly knows what is going on behind the scenes This is where I find it hard to get myself into a corner against Ashley. I wonder if what he is doing is actually good for the club. We all know the wages are too high and income from tv could go tits up soon. Unless one has their head in the sand, the overwhelming scare is of clubs being in deep financial shit and the prospect for the future being bleak. There is a chance that in a year or so, Ashley could well turn round and say, 'That's why I was doing the things I did' and we could well thank him for it (I know this view is probably flawed but I just wonder what is going to happen financially in the next year or so for football). However, HOWEVER, Ashley chose Wise and co over Keegan (from what we think we know) and that is extremely hard to stomach for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbert Colon 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think the club are paranoid about selling themselves down the river financially - I can honestly see some clubs going tits up in the near future as a result of unsustainable wage and debt levels - as unpalatable as this may be for us it may well be the best strategy - build up from a solid base with younger players - nobody truly knows what is going on behind the scenes This is where I find it hard to get myself into a corner against Ashley. I wonder if what he is doing is actually good for the club. We all know the wages are too high and income from tv could go tits up soon. Unless one has their head in the sand, the overwhelming scare is of clubs being in deep financial shit and the prospect for the future being bleak. There is a chance that in a year or so, Ashley could well turn round and say, 'That's why I was doing the things I did' and we could well thank him for it (I know this view is probably flawed but I just wonder what is going to happen financially in the next year or so for football). However, HOWEVER, Ashley chose Wise and co over Keegan (from what we think we know) and that is extremely hard to stomach for me. He is a tosser for that like - but with reduced shirt sponsorship deals and ever decreasing tv money the waters are looking a bit choppy and we may be well placed when the shit hits the fan (saying that i could be totally wrong and he is just the useless twat that he comes across as) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Unless we go down of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I think the club are paranoid about selling themselves down the river financially - I can honestly see some clubs going tits up in the near future as a result of unsustainable wage and debt levels - as unpalatable as this may be for us it may well be the best strategy - build up from a solid base with younger players - nobody truly knows what is going on behind the scenes This is where I find it hard to get myself into a corner against Ashley. I wonder if what he is doing is actually good for the club. We all know the wages are too high and income from tv could go tits up soon. Unless one has their head in the sand, the overwhelming scare is of clubs being in deep financial shit and the prospect for the future being bleak. There is a chance that in a year or so, Ashley could well turn round and say, 'That's why I was doing the things I did' and we could well thank him for it (I know this view is probably flawed but I just wonder what is going to happen financially in the next year or so for football). However, HOWEVER, Ashley chose Wise and co over Keegan (from what we think we know) and that is extremely hard to stomach for me. Thing is if Shepherd had been the one doing it then you could think fair enough, its needed but why take over a football club because "you want to have a bit fun" then cut everything back to the bone because of economic sensibilities? It doesnt make any sense (or at least not to me). If he'd bought us for the reasons he said he had then he wouldnt be doing this. Wheres the fun in economic stability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 It's difficult to know what he's doing because on the rare occasion we do get information out of the club (Kinnear excepted, who never stops talking shit) it tends to contradict what we've already been told. I.e. he wants to have fun, Keegan has the money available for the right players, but we're running a tight ship/following the Arsenal model, Wise isn't involved in the first team, blah, blah, blah. It's the fucking trust thing again - the impression given (regardless of what his actual plans are) is that the bloke couldn't lie straight in bed and just feeds us what we want to hear / what he thinks will appease us (the club being taken over with KK and Shearer managing etc., etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Spot on Alex, his statement after the Keegan debacle was an unbelievable attempt to make us feel sorry for him/guilty for not liking him. He's a stone-washed cock-knocker and every word that comes out his mouth is like a turd falling into my drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) It's difficult to know what he's doing because on the rare occasion we do get information out of the club (Kinnear excepted, who never stops talking shit) it tends to contradict what we've already been told. I.e. he wants to have fun, Keegan has the money available for the right players, but we're running a tight ship/following the Arsenal model, Wise isn't involved in the first team, blah, blah, blah. It's the fucking trust thing again - the impression given (regardless of what his actual plans are) is that the bloke couldn't lie straight in bed and just feeds us what we want to hear / what he thinks will appease us (the club being taken over with KK and Shearer managing etc., etc.). Classic compulsive liar routine in action. Say what you think people want to hear at the time then totally forget all about it. Trouble is, there are these things called newspapers....and internets... It's pretty easy to go back and see what he's said but he doesn't seem to get that small detail. God he fucks me off. When he came here I questioned the point of buying a football club "for fun" and then not trying to win stuff....why bother? He's rich enough to stop us sinking right away, have a bit of fun and see where we end up. The money comes with success. Edited January 8, 2009 by Asprilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 It's difficult to know what he's doing because on the rare occasion we do get information out of the club (Kinnear excepted, who never stops talking shit) it tends to contradict what we've already been told. I.e. he wants to have fun, Keegan has the money available for the right players, but we're running a tight ship/following the Arsenal model, Wise isn't involved in the first team, blah, blah, blah. It's the fucking trust thing again - the impression given (regardless of what his actual plans are) is that the bloke couldn't lie straight in bed and just feeds us what we want to hear / what he thinks will appease us (the club being taken over with KK and Shearer managing etc., etc.). Classic compulsive liar routine in action. Say what you think people want to hear at the time then totally forget all about it. Trouble is, there are these things called newspapers....and internets... It's pretty easy to go back and see what he's said but he doesn't seem to get that small detail. God he fucks me off. When he came here I questioned the point of buying a football club "for fun" and then not trying to win stuff....why bother? He's rich enough to stop us sinking right away, have a bit of fun and see where we end up. The money comes with success. I reckon he thought he'd make money out of selling the club on but the financial crisis and his own errors (from the off that is, inc. not bothering with due dilligence combined with all the other fuck-ups) has scuppered that and now he hasn't got a clue what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 It's difficult to know what he's doing because on the rare occasion we do get information out of the club (Kinnear excepted, who never stops talking shit) it tends to contradict what we've already been told. I.e. he wants to have fun, Keegan has the money available for the right players, but we're running a tight ship/following the Arsenal model, Wise isn't involved in the first team, blah, blah, blah. It's the fucking trust thing again - the impression given (regardless of what his actual plans are) is that the bloke couldn't lie straight in bed and just feeds us what we want to hear / what he thinks will appease us (the club being taken over with KK and Shearer managing etc., etc.). Classic compulsive liar routine in action. Say what you think people want to hear at the time then totally forget all about it. Trouble is, there are these things called newspapers....and internets... It's pretty easy to go back and see what he's said but he doesn't seem to get that small detail. God he fucks me off. When he came here I questioned the point of buying a football club "for fun" and then not trying to win stuff....why bother? He's rich enough to stop us sinking right away, have a bit of fun and see where we end up. The money comes with success. I reckon he thought he'd make money out of selling the club on but the financial crisis and his own errors (from the off that is, inc. not bothering with due dilligence combined with all the other fuck-ups) has scuppered that and now he hasn't got a clue what to do. Sounds about right there. 10 Clouseau points to that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I reckon he thought he'd make money out of selling the club on but the financial crisis and his own errors (from the off that is, inc. not bothering with due dilligence combined with all the other fuck-ups) has scuppered that and now he hasn't got a clue what to do. That and surrounding himself with people who dont have the first clue about running a football club. He started well, pull in a likable bloke who knows whats what in the sporting world and can deal with people. After that it all went to shit, personally I dont believe the parting was amicable between Ashley and Mort. From what I heard Mort had to chase Ashley for Freshfields fees as they werent being paid. He (Ashley) and Lambrini arent used to having to deal with the customers. Lambretta normally would wander down to the gaming tables once a week or so, shake the hand of some high roller and have a glass of Chablis with some high profile mug whos just lost his shirt then go back to his office and forget about them mugs until he has to do it next week. Now its different, his job should be based on facing the fans, being the public face of the club. Yes we all mocked the stuff Shepherd said at these meetings that all the chairmen goto but what happens now I wonder? Does Lalalalabamba open his mouth when there? or does he even bother attending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 they (ashley and Lambrusco) need public relations courses. they also need to stop lying and back us with some cash to prevent us going down. its fairly simple....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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