Israel continues its merciless pounding of the defenceless.

[ewerk 30544]

Sri Lanka?

[Rob W 0]

It's about time we started to treat the Israeli's the way we did the Serf Efrikans in the Aprtheid era - shum them liek leppers for a start

[Fop 1]

It's about time we started to treat the Israeli's the way we did the Serf Efrikans in the Aprtheid era - shum them liek leppers for a start

 

 

The KKK stand willing and able to help you.

[Park Life 71]

It's about time we started to treat the Israeli's the way we did the Serf Efrikans in the Aprtheid era - shum them liek leppers for a start

 

 

The KKK stand willing and able to help you.

 

The enemy of mine enemy etc...

[Happy Face 29]

It's about time we started to treat the Israeli's the way we did the Serf Efrikans in the Aprtheid era - shum them liek leppers for a start

 

 

The KKK stand willing and able to help you.

 

The fact the holocaust DID happen makes the Israeli actions all the more disgraceful. How people whose most recent ancestors where moved into ghetto's, restricted in movement, walled off and killed in their millions can do the exactly the same to another group of stateless citizens while holding holocaust memorials with a straight face is incredible.

 

I suppose it's always the most abused kids that turn out fucked up abusers themselves.

[Fop 1]

It's about time we started to treat the Israeli's the way we did the Serf Efrikans in the Aprtheid era - shum them liek leppers for a start

 

 

The KKK stand willing and able to help you.

 

The fact the holocaust DID happen makes the Israeli actions all the more disgraceful. How people whose most recent ancestors where moved into ghetto's, restricted in movement, walled off and killed in their millions can do the exactly the same to another group of stateless citizens while holding holocaust memorials with a straight face is incredible.

 

I suppose it's always the most abused kids that turn out fucked up abusers themselves.

 

 

In fairness to Israel there have been quite serious attempts to annihilate them, which only reinforced their bunker mentality.

 

If Israel were to suddenly give up all their weapons and lose US backing (which not only helps it directly, but also buys off their enemies), they'd probably be gone within a year.

 

 

 

 

The only chance for peace is a 2 state solution, but with the current Palestinian political situation (a hard line "terrorist" leadership, even with a minority of the popular Palestinian vote compared to Fatah) and several surrounding countries having a vested interest in peace not occurring it's unlikely.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Fop

[Fop 1]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8088410.stm

 

 

Might be a positive sign too.

[Billy Castell 0]

Kill all of them. If they're both too stupid to see that the constant retaliation is perpetuating the violence, then nuke the lot of them. Israel has been getting away with terrorism, racism and stealing land, and the Palestinians are too dumb to see that the rocket attacks are hardly the acts of innocent victims, bring about disproportinate retaliation and generally bad PR on their part.

[Happy Face 29]

Kill all of them. If they're both too stupid to see that the constant retaliation is perpetuating the violence, then nuke the lot of them. Israel has been getting away with terrorism, racism and stealing land, and the Palestinians are too dumb to see that the rocket attacks are hardly the acts of innocent victims, bring about disproportinate retaliation and generally bad PR on their part.

 

 

The UK is complicit in all of this. We ship billions of pounds worth of weaponry to assist the Israeli cause Should we all be killed too?

 

And America.

 

who's going to do the killing Adolph?

[Billy Castell 0]

Funny, I get accused of being a Nazi because I'm sick of the Arabs and Jews constantly kicking off, and the sheer double standards when Israel does something wrong. Israel is a crap country that makes its own problems, and doesn't want peace. The solution is simple-create a Palestinian state which can stand on its own two feet and build the infrastructure so they have something positive in their lives. Instead Israel, with the help of the USA who fear the power of the 'Jewish lobby' not voting for their party and funding the other lot, and our arms companies who are just amoral gits give weapons and military aid to Israel and turn a blind eye to the various land grabs that the hardcore Zionist loons perform with their settlements within Palestine.

 

The Israeli political system gives too much power to the extremists who literally believe that God has given them the right to do what they like in that region, and screw the other nationalities and ethnicities who also live there. For example, the only legally recognised form of marriage in Israel is an Ortodox Jewish ceremony. Not even a generally Jewish ceremony, but the most traditional and narrow form of that religion. So even reformist Jews have to bend to the will of the extremists in their most personal parts of their life.

[Happy Face 29]

Funny, I get accused of being a Nazi because I'm sick of the Arabs and Jews constantly kicking off

 

More the fact you want to kill them all.

 

We're as bad as the US btw. It's not so much fear of a Jewish lobby as much as Israel being a perfect market for military hardware and the perfect testing ground for the newest models.

 

If we did want to force a peace, I think a trade boycott would be more effective than a nuke like.

[Park Life 71]

Funny, I get accused of being a Nazi because I'm sick of the Arabs and Jews constantly kicking off

 

More the fact you want to kill them all.

 

We're as bad as the US btw. It's not so much fear of a Jewish lobby as much as Israel being a perfect market for military hardware and the perfect testing ground for the newest models.

 

If we did want to force a peace, I think a trade boycott would be more effective than a nuke like.

 

As long as it ain't a bouycott.

[Fop 1]

Should we all be killed too?

 

And America.

 

who's going to do the killing Adolph?

 

Yes.

 

Yes.

 

Gemmill.

[Park Life 71]

Funny, I get accused of being a Nazi because I'm sick of the Arabs and Jews constantly kicking off, and the sheer double standards when Israel does something wrong. Israel is a crap country that makes its own problems, and doesn't want peace. The solution is simple-create a Palestinian state which can stand on its own two feet and build the infrastructure so they have something positive in their lives. Instead Israel, with the help of the USA who fear the power of the 'Jewish lobby' not voting for their party and funding the other lot, and our arms companies who are just amoral gits give weapons and military aid to Israel and turn a blind eye to the various land grabs that the hardcore Zionist loons perform with their settlements within Palestine.

 

The Israeli political system gives too much power to the extremists who literally believe that God has given them the right to do what they like in that region, and screw the other nationalities and ethnicities who also live there. For example, the only legally recognised form of marriage in Israel is an Ortodox Jewish ceremony. Not even a generally Jewish ceremony, but the most traditional and narrow form of that religion. So even reformist Jews have to bend to the will of the extremists in their most personal parts of their life.

 

It's a cycle of violence and as usual it is propped up by money and economic sensitivities. The massive U.S. aid (yes you've guessed it) is primarily used to by U.S. weapons therefore keeping people in jobs back in the U.S.

[Fop 1]

It's a cycle of violence and as usual it is propped up by money and economic sensitivities. The massive U.S. aid (yes you've guessed it) is primarily used to by U.S. weapons therefore keeping people in jobs back in the U.S.

 

One of the few industries totally unaffected by the recession so far - UK's doing quite well too though.

[Happy Face 29]

With a population of six million, representing 0.1 per cent of humanity, Israel receives nearly 10 per cent of America's 'aid' budget - for arms and war equipment alone. This figure was $2.4 Billion in 2008. According to the congressional Research Service, the same 'aid' budget includes $28 million 'to help [Palestinian] children deal with the current conflict situation' and to provide 'basic first aid', so America arms the Israelis, who bomb and shoot the Palestinians, who are then given American 'first aid'.

Edited June 11, 2009 by Happy Face

[Rob W 0]

aye, well - if there were as many pro- Hamas types in the states as there are pro Zionists then it would be a fairer distribution

[Fop 1]

aye, well - if there were as many pro- Hamas types in the states as there are pro Zionists then it would be a fairer distribution

 

The were too busy funding the IRA.

 

 

 

 

Although again if there were as many pro-Hamas types in Palestine as there were pro-Fatah type that would be a fairer distribution too.

 

 

It must be annoying to know there are more of you, that more of you voted for Fatah than Hamas, and yet still Hamas got in (due to the electoral boundaries set up - despite Hamas losing the popular/total vote by a good 5-10%) and fucking up the best chance for something approaching peace the area has seen since 3000BC.

[Rob W 0]

"more of you voted for Fatah than Hamas, and yet still Hamas got in (due to the electoral boundaries set up"

 

so they've learnt sommat from California and the UK then

[Fop 1]

"more of you voted for Fatah than Hamas, and yet still Hamas got in (due to the electoral boundaries set up"

 

so they've learnt sommat from California and the UK then

 

In the UK boundary changes would actually benefit the Conservatives (yet bizarrely they are against changing them).

 

But in Palestine it's pretty harsh because they are being dragged further into conflict by a government that got a minority of the vote to start with, but also got less votes than another party that would have at least walked along the road to potential peace.

 

That's pretty harsh, even in a place already as harsh as it is.

[Fop 1]

This may help things too.

 

 

Interestingly Dinnerjacket basically gets the "BNP" vote in Iran.

[Happy Face 29]

Obama’s speech in Cairo on the Middle East peace process was seductive, but its content was as morally bankrupt as any of Bush’s spiels.

 

At 7.30 in the morning on 3 June, a seven-month-old baby died in the intensive care unit of the European Gaza Hospital in the Gaza Strip. His name was Zein Ad-Din Mohammed Zu’rob, and he was suffering from a lung infection which was treatable.

 

Denied basic equipment, the doctors in Gaza could do nothing. For weeks, the child’s parents had sought a permit from the Israelis to allow them to take him to a hospital in Jerusalem, where he would have been saved. Like many desperately sick people who apply for these permits, the parents were told they had never applied. Even if they had arrived at the Erez Crossing with an Israeli document in their hands, the odds are that they would have been turned back for refusing the demands of officials to spy or collaborate in some way.

 

“Is it an irresponsible overstatement,” asked Richard Falk, the United Nations special rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories and emeritus professor of international law at Princeton University, who is Jewish, “to associate the treatment of Palestinians with [the] criminalised Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not.”

 

Falk was describing Israel’s massacre in December and January of hundreds of helpless civilians in Gaza, many of them children. Reporters called this a “war”. Since then, normality has returned to Gaza. Most children are malnourished and sick, and almost all exhibit the symptoms of psychiatric disturbance, such as horrific nightmares, depression and incontinence. There is a long list of items that Israel bans from Gaza. This includes equipment to clean up the toxic detritus of Israel’s US munitions, which is the suspected cause of rising cancer rates. Toys and playground equipment, such as slides and swings, are also banned. I saw the ruins of a fun fair, riddled with bullet holes, which Israeli “settlers” had used as a sniping target.

 

The day after Baby Zu’rob died in Gaza, President Barack Obama made his “historic” speech in Cairo, “reaching out to the Muslim world”, reported the BBC. “Just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza,” said Obama, “does not serve Israel’s security.” That was all. The killing of 1,300 people in what is now a concentration camp merited 17 words, cast as concern for the “security” of the killers. This was understandable. During the January massacre, Seymour Hersh reported that “the Obama team let it be known that it would not object to the planned resupply of ‘smart bombs’ and other hi-tech ordnance that was already flowing to Israel” for use in Gaza.

 

Obama’s one criticism of Israel was that “the United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements... It is time for these settlements to stop.” These fortresses on Palestinian land, manned by religious fanatics from America and elsewhere, have been outlawed by the UN Security Council and the International Court of Justice. Pointedly, Obama made no mention of the settlements that already honeycomb the occupied territories and make an independent Palestinian state impossible, which is their purpose.

 

Obama demanded that the “cycle of suspicion and discord must end”. Every year, for more than a generation, the UN has called on Israel to end its illegal and violent occupation of post-1967 Palestine and has voted for “the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination”. Every year, those voting against these resolutions have been the governments of Israel and the United States and one or two of America’s Pacific dependencies; last year Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe joined them.

 

Such is the true “cycle” in the Middle East, which is rarely reported as the relentless rejection of the rule of law by Israel and the United States: a law in whose name the wrath of Washington came down on Saddam Hussein when he invaded Kuwait, a law which, if upheld and honoured, would bring peace and security to both Palestine and Israel.

 

Instead, Obama spoke in Cairo as if his and previous White House administrations were neutral, almost divine brokers of peace, instead of rapacious backers and suppliers of the invader (along with Britain). This Orwellian illogic remains the standard for what western journalists call the “Israel-Palestine conflict”, which is almost never reported in terms of the law, of right and wrong, of justice and injustice – Darfur, yes, Zimbabwe, yes, but never Palestine. Orwell’s ghost again stirred when Obama denounced “violent extremists in Afghanistan and now Pakistan [who are] determined to kill as many Americans as they possibly can”. America’s invasion and slaughter in these countries went unmentioned. It, too, is divine.

 

Naturally, unlike George W Bush, Obama did not say that “you’re either with us or against us”. He smiled the smile and uttered “many eloquent mood-music paragraphs and a smattering of quotations from the Holy Quran”, noted the American international lawyer John Whitbeck. Beyond this, Obama offered no change, no plan, only a “tired, morally bankrupt American mantra [which] essentially argues that only the rich, the strong, the oppressors and the enforcers of injustice (notably the Americans and Israelis) have the right to use violence, while the poor, the weak, the oppressed and the victims of oppression must... submit to their fate and accept whatever crumbs their betters may magnanimously deign suitable to let fall from their table”. And he offered not the slightest recognition that the world’s most numerous victims of terrorism are people of Muslim faith – a terrorism of western origin that dares not speak its name.

 

In his “reaching out” in Cairo, as in his “anti-nuclear” speech in Berlin, as in the “hope” he spun at his inauguration, this clever young politician is playing the part for which he was drafted and promoted. This is to present a benign, seductive, even celebrity face to American power, which can then proceed towards its strategic goal of dominance, regardless of the wishes of the rest of humanity and the rights and lives of our children.

 

http://www.newstatesman.com/middle-east/20...er-obama-israel

[Park Life 71]

They are overeaching and beginning to fail. Ultimately China will do for America and its ability to project military and economic power and in turn Israel will be left without its major benefactor. That day will come in our time. Look forward to it.

[ChezGiven 0]

What a twat.

[Happy Face 29]

What a twat.

 

 

He's got me convinced.

 

....or do you mean Parky?