NJS 4385 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i am not denying that the BNP are a racist party. but being a BNP member doesnt make you automatically racist. They may just be the nearest you can come to a party that represent you views. I AM NOT BNP. Are you saying someone could join the BNP and not realise what they are all about? That person would be a moron to an incredible degree - as Skol said if you have very strong ideas on immigration then the UKIP is a lot less nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i am not denying that the BNP are a racist party. but being a BNP member doesnt make you automatically racist. They may just be the nearest you can come to a party that represent you views. I AM NOT BNP. I disagree with western military presence in the middle east and the unwavering support of Israel at the expense of Palestinians. Seems the organisation that best represents my views is Al Quaeda. Pathetic, I suggest you do a bit of reseach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i am not denying that the BNP are a racist party. but being a BNP member doesnt make you automatically racist. They may just be the nearest you can come to a party that represent you views. I AM NOT BNP. I disagree with western military presence in the middle east and the unwavering support of Israel at the expense of Palestinians. Seems the organisation that best represents my views is Al Quaeda. Pathetic, I suggest you do a bit of reseach. On what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i am not denying that the BNP are a racist party. but being a BNP member doesnt make you automatically racist. They may just be the nearest you can come to a party that represent you views. I AM NOT BNP. Are you saying someone could join the BNP and not realise what they are all about? That person would be a moron to an incredible degree - as Skol said if you have very strong ideas on immigration then the UKIP is a lot less nasty UKIP? A party that is drafting in foreigners, a Spanish woman to tell us not to join the EU. I am not saying it is right but the PC lefty leanings of this country doesn't leave much choice for those who are opposed to immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i am not denying that the BNP are a racist party. but being a BNP member doesnt make you automatically racist. They may just be the nearest you can come to a party that represent you views. I AM NOT BNP. I disagree with western military presence in the middle east and the unwavering support of Israel at the expense of Palestinians. Seems the organisation that best represents my views is Al Quaeda. Pathetic, I suggest you do a bit of reseach. On what? You should clearly be joining Hamas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) i am not denying that the BNP are a racist party. but being a BNP member doesnt make you automatically racist. They may just be the nearest you can come to a party that represent you views. I AM NOT BNP. I disagree with western military presence in the middle east and the unwavering support of Israel at the expense of Palestinians. Seems the organisation that best represents my views is Al Quaeda. Pathetic, I suggest you do a bit of reseach. On what? Start with the lib dems and work away from there. Edited November 19, 2008 by Danny B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i am not denying that the BNP are a racist party. but being a BNP member doesnt make you automatically racist. They may just be the nearest you can come to a party that represent you views. I AM NOT BNP. Are you saying someone could join the BNP and not realise what they are all about? That person would be a moron to an incredible degree - as Skol said if you have very strong ideas on immigration then the UKIP is a lot less nasty UKIP? A party that is drafting in foreigners, a Spanish woman to tell us not to join the EU. I am not saying it is right but the PC lefty leanings of this country doesn't leave much choice for those who are opposed to immigration. Just because UKIP doesn't discriminate against it's members on a racial basis doesn't mean it's any less the national party you crave. The alternative to UKIP is the English Democrats which is a growing party but again it doesn't simply want to boot wogs, spics and chinks out our country so you probably won't be in favour If you're a racialist then just admit it. I'd have much more respect for you if you laid your cards on the table rather than played silly buggers by defending the BNP and not committing to anything. Christ, even Stevie has managed to come out and say he votes for them albeit on as a 'protest' (If I had a penny for every time i'd heard that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 i am not denying that the BNP are a racist party. but being a BNP member doesnt make you automatically racist. They may just be the nearest you can come to a party that represent you views. I AM NOT BNP. I disagree with western military presence in the middle east and the unwavering support of Israel at the expense of Palestinians. Seems the organisation that best represents my views is Al Quaeda. Pathetic, I suggest you do a bit of reseach. On what? Start with the lib dems and work away from there. Your point being the one I was making? That there's actually a less extreme alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4385 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) I am not saying it is right but the PC lefty leanings of this country doesn't leave much choice for those who are opposed to immigration. Depends what your basis is. I have no opposition to EU worker migration or skilled immigration of any kind. I am opposed to Asian immigration of "peasants" by extended family/arranged marriage because I don't feel they come here for the right reasons which benefit the country. I think in those terms any debate is fine. If on the other hand people start talking about too many Poles taking our jobs or too many blacks moving in then I think using the racist label is fair enough because people who cry about being called racist never seem to object to the huge numbers of Aussies etc who come here. Edited November 19, 2008 by NJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I am not saying it is right but the PC lefty leanings of this country doesn't leave much choice for those who are opposed to immigration. Depends what your basis is. I have no opposition to EU worker migration or skilled immigration of any kind. I am opposed to Asian immigration of "peasants" by extended family/arranged marriage because I don't feel they come here for the right reasons which benefit the country. I think in those terms any debate is fine. If on the other hand people start talking about too many Poles taking our jobs or too many blacks moving in then I think using the racist label is fair enough because people who cry about being called racist never seem to object to the huge numbers of Aussies etc who come here. The 'Poles taking our jobs' argument has kind of fell flat over recent months since there are more immigrants go back to Western Europe than coming in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Last year the Poles did undercut the British workers, effectively meaning English people have to work for less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Russell Brand did something canny once... I love Russell Brand. Actually after the radio show hiatus, I've been wading through all his shows on Utubular. Excellent stuff. Especially the ones with Mozzer and the Oasis bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 For a start I would like to reiterate I am not a BNP supporter. I am actually pro EU and pro Britain joining the Euro. How do you feel about the arabs? Yiddish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Last year the Poles did undercut the British workers, effectively meaning English people have to work for less ...and I'm here undercutting the Germans. Get on yer bike as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Ok, I'm going to try and behave. I'm genuinely meaning no offence, slight or insult by anything that follows. "democracy" means you have to acknowledge viewpoints that may be abhorrent to you, my limited knowledge of the BNP suggests their policy towards immigration is counter intuitive, hopelessly flawed and frankly ignorant. However, I accept that the BNP represent a notable minority of the British public and as such deserve attention. (Even if that attention is only to raise the level of debate). Stevie, you said you voted BNP as a protest against Tory and Labour policies. Why BNP? why not Lib Dem, or (as has been suggested) a less sensational party? I don't vote for anyone for probably very similar reasons to you, but rather than afford power and credibility to a party who's systemic racism undermines any and all that they say, I spoil the ballot. I'm fully aware that my vote goes in the same pile as the idiots who cannot correctly complete a ballot, but I'd rather that than appear to support the BNP. to the publication of the list, it strikes me as a vindictive move by a number of exp-BNP party affiliates. I think membership of political parties should be public knowledge, but I don't think the personal information (addresses and whatnot) is necessary. That their own members are raging against their names and addresses appearing in the public domain does smack of cowardice however, if they stood firmly behind the party with whom they claim allegiance, why be ashamed? they gone so far as to become a member, why then are they ashamed? If it's because the public perception of the party is embarrassing, why the hell aren't they, as members, doing something about it? anyway, that's my two penneth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) Ok, I'm going to try and behave. I'm genuinely meaning no offence, slight or insult by anything that follows. "democracy" means you have to acknowledge viewpoints that may be abhorrent to you, my limited knowledge of the BNP suggests their policy towards immigration is counter intuitive, hopelessly flawed and frankly ignorant. However, I accept that the BNP represent a notable minority of the British public and as such deserve attention. (Even if that attention is only to raise the level of debate). Stevie, you said you voted BNP as a protest against Tory and Labour policies. Why BNP? why not Lib Dem, or (as has been suggested) a less sensational party? I don't vote for anyone for probably very similar reasons to you, but rather than afford power and credibility to a party who's systemic racism undermines any and all that they say, I spoil the ballot. I'm fully aware that my vote goes in the same pile as the idiots who cannot correctly complete a ballot, but I'd rather that than appear to support the BNP. to the publication of the list, it strikes me as a vindictive move by a number of exp-BNP party affiliates. I think membership of political parties should be public knowledge, but I don't think the personal information (addresses and whatnot) is necessary. That their own members are raging against their names and addresses appearing in the public domain does smack of cowardice however, if they stood firmly behind the party with whom they claim allegiance, why be ashamed? they gone so far as to become a member, why then are they ashamed? If it's because the public perception of the party is embarrassing, why the hell aren't they, as members, doing something about it? anyway, that's my two penneth... Fair points all of them Fish. The naked facts are that these people are gulity, secretive - misfits on the whole. Look at the leader for instance a man who gets excited if a BNP march ends in a local riot that damages the comminity spirit and probabably takes years to heal. The other thing about their particlular type of cowardice is their mealy words and hinting at things rather than coming out and telling it like it is....That is why even the NF and especially C18 hate them. This is probably why they are really shitting themselves. Edited November 19, 2008 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Fucking hell. I never thought i'd like Russell Brand but I dee The dandy, Victorian cunt is spot on. Bunch of teenagers in Ben Sherman shirts with trying to explain their affiliations with a load pseudo-intellectual chod. Working class? Fuck off. I'm working class and proud but i'm not going out and joining the BNP. "Dis cuntry is gunna be extinct cos of da Muslims, innit!" Cockends. There will never be an Islamic government in the UK. Why? Because it's a fucking secular country. I hate wankers like that. I respect, but don't entirely understand, nationalism however I hate racism. The two seem to have been thrust together over the past few years and it's just not on. Lets see now. Where exactly do you think the immigrant [anti English] percentage of the population is going to stop growing ? 20% ? 30% 45% Where is it suddenly going to hit a brick wall ? Logic isn't your strong point, I can see that Which brainwashed hippy taught you at school ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Ok, I'm going to try and behave. I'm genuinely meaning no offence, slight or insult by anything that follows. "democracy" means you have to acknowledge viewpoints that may be abhorrent to you, my limited knowledge of the BNP suggests their policy towards immigration is counter intuitive, hopelessly flawed and frankly ignorant. However, I accept that the BNP represent a notable minority of the British public and as such deserve attention. (Even if that attention is only to raise the level of debate). Stevie, you said you voted BNP as a protest against Tory and Labour policies. Why BNP? why not Lib Dem, or (as has been suggested) a less sensational party? I don't vote for anyone for probably very similar reasons to you, but rather than afford power and credibility to a party who's systemic racism undermines any and all that they say, I spoil the ballot. I'm fully aware that my vote goes in the same pile as the idiots who cannot correctly complete a ballot, but I'd rather that than appear to support the BNP. to the publication of the list, it strikes me as a vindictive move by a number of exp-BNP party affiliates. I think membership of political parties should be public knowledge, but I don't think the personal information (addresses and whatnot) is necessary. That their own members are raging against their names and addresses appearing in the public domain does smack of cowardice however, if they stood firmly behind the party with whom they claim allegiance, why be ashamed? they gone so far as to become a member, why then are they ashamed? If it's because the public perception of the party is embarrassing, why the hell aren't they, as members, doing something about it? anyway, that's my two penneth... I live in a LibDem council area and they're wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Ok, I'm going to try and behave. I'm genuinely meaning no offence, slight or insult by anything that follows. "democracy" means you have to acknowledge viewpoints that may be abhorrent to you, my limited knowledge of the BNP suggests their policy towards immigration is counter intuitive, hopelessly flawed and frankly ignorant. However, I accept that the BNP represent a notable minority of the British public and as such deserve attention. (Even if that attention is only to raise the level of debate). Stevie, you said you voted BNP as a protest against Tory and Labour policies. Why BNP? why not Lib Dem, or (as has been suggested) a less sensational party? I don't vote for anyone for probably very similar reasons to you, but rather than afford power and credibility to a party who's systemic racism undermines any and all that they say, I spoil the ballot. I'm fully aware that my vote goes in the same pile as the idiots who cannot correctly complete a ballot, but I'd rather that than appear to support the BNP. to the publication of the list, it strikes me as a vindictive move by a number of exp-BNP party affiliates. I think membership of political parties should be public knowledge, but I don't think the personal information (addresses and whatnot) is necessary. That their own members are raging against their names and addresses appearing in the public domain does smack of cowardice however, if they stood firmly behind the party with whom they claim allegiance, why be ashamed? they gone so far as to become a member, why then are they ashamed? If it's because the public perception of the party is embarrassing, why the hell aren't they, as members, doing something about it? anyway, that's my two penneth... Fair points all of them Fish. The naked facts are that these people are gulity, secretive - misfits on the whole. Look at the leader for instance a man who gets excited if a BNP march ends in a local riot that damages the comminity spirit and probabably takes years to heal. The other thing about their particlular type of cowardice is their mealy words and hinting at things rather than coming out and telling it like it is....That is why even the NF and especially C18 hate them. This is probably why they are really shitting themselves. Well what do you want them to say "lets get all darkies and pakis oot cos they're cunts"? The fact is as hard as this is for people to believe there will be people in the BNP, who are not racist and just looking for alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Fucking hell. I never thought i'd like Russell Brand but I dee The dandy, Victorian cunt is spot on. Bunch of teenagers in Ben Sherman shirts with trying to explain their affiliations with a load pseudo-intellectual chod. Working class? Fuck off. I'm working class and proud but i'm not going out and joining the BNP. "Dis cuntry is gunna be extinct cos of da Muslims, innit!" Cockends. There will never be an Islamic government in the UK. Why? Because it's a fucking secular country. I hate wankers like that. I respect, but don't entirely understand, nationalism however I hate racism. The two seem to have been thrust together over the past few years and it's just not on. Lets see now. Where exactly do you think the immigrant [anti English] percentage of the population is going to stop growing ? 20% ? 30% 45% Where is it suddenly going to hit a brick wall ? Logic isn't your strong point, I can see that Which brainwashed hippy taught you at school ? Hippy? Oh dear. I went to a comprehensive school the bowels of deepest, darkest Washington. If this list is anything to go by then I went to school in the BNP's fucking heartland Brainwashing me to become a left leaning type probably wasn't high on the agenda. According to a BBC survey only 7.5% of people in the UK were born abroad. We've got a very, very, very long way to go before we get anywhere near your figures, especially as a fair number of immigrants are moving back to their home countries, the vast majority coming from Western Europe. I've had cunts tell me that what Enoch Powell said is coming true. Well, it isn't as Enoch Powell was talking about the influx of Afro-Caribbean immigrants to the country which back in the day were seen as the scurge of white Britain. Very unsurprisingly this wasn't the case and now 40 years later we've got people still pointing to the Rivers of Blood speech only this time referring to immigrants from the Middle East. Okay, places like Bradford and Luton may have large amounts of Muslims living in the area but i'm yet to see any Islamic Party of Great Britain councillors elbowing their way into power in those areas. This is the part where you justify your dodgy views by saying you've been around and seen what X, Y and Z has done to this country. Yer kna, that experience argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Ok, I'm going to try and behave. I'm genuinely meaning no offence, slight or insult by anything that follows. "democracy" means you have to acknowledge viewpoints that may be abhorrent to you, my limited knowledge of the BNP suggests their policy towards immigration is counter intuitive, hopelessly flawed and frankly ignorant. However, I accept that the BNP represent a notable minority of the British public and as such deserve attention. (Even if that attention is only to raise the level of debate). Stevie, you said you voted BNP as a protest against Tory and Labour policies. Why BNP? why not Lib Dem, or (as has been suggested) a less sensational party? I don't vote for anyone for probably very similar reasons to you, but rather than afford power and credibility to a party who's systemic racism undermines any and all that they say, I spoil the ballot. I'm fully aware that my vote goes in the same pile as the idiots who cannot correctly complete a ballot, but I'd rather that than appear to support the BNP. to the publication of the list, it strikes me as a vindictive move by a number of exp-BNP party affiliates. I think membership of political parties should be public knowledge, but I don't think the personal information (addresses and whatnot) is necessary. That their own members are raging against their names and addresses appearing in the public domain does smack of cowardice however, if they stood firmly behind the party with whom they claim allegiance, why be ashamed? they gone so far as to become a member, why then are they ashamed? If it's because the public perception of the party is embarrassing, why the hell aren't they, as members, doing something about it? anyway, that's my two penneth... I live in a LibDem council area and they're wank. I thought you only voted for the BNP as a protest against the Tories and Blue Labour? Why use your vote as a protest if they're not in power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15526 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Where exactly do you think the immigrant [anti English] percentage of the population is going to stop growing ? Fucking hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Fucking hell. I never thought i'd like Russell Brand but I dee The dandy, Victorian cunt is spot on. Bunch of teenagers in Ben Sherman shirts with trying to explain their affiliations with a load pseudo-intellectual chod. Working class? Fuck off. I'm working class and proud but i'm not going out and joining the BNP. "Dis cuntry is gunna be extinct cos of da Muslims, innit!" Cockends. There will never be an Islamic government in the UK. Why? Because it's a fucking secular country. I hate wankers like that. I respect, but don't entirely understand, nationalism however I hate racism. The two seem to have been thrust together over the past few years and it's just not on. Lets see now. Where exactly do you think the immigrant [anti English] percentage of the population is going to stop growing ? 20% ? 30% 45% Where is it suddenly going to hit a brick wall ? Logic isn't your strong point, I can see that Which brainwashed hippy taught you at school ? Hippy? Oh dear. I went to a comprehensive school the bowels of deepest, darkest Washington. If this list is anything to go by then I went to school in the BNP's fucking heartland Brainwashing me to become a left leaning type probably wasn't high on the agenda. According to a BBC survey only 7.5% of people in the UK were born abroad. We've got a very, very, very long way to go before we get anywhere near your figures, especially as a fair number of immigrants are moving back to their home countries, the vast majority coming from Western Europe. I've had cunts tell me that what Enoch Powell said is coming true. Well, it isn't as Enoch Powell was talking about the influx of Afro-Caribbean immigrants to the country which back in the day were seen as the scurge of white Britain. Very unsurprisingly this wasn't the case and now 40 years later we've got people still pointing to the Rivers of Blood speech only this time referring to immigrants from the Middle East. Okay, places like Bradford and Luton may have large amounts of Muslims living in the area but i'm yet to see any Islamic Party of Great Britain councillors elbowing their way into power in those areas. This is the part where you justify your dodgy views by saying you've been around and seen what X, Y and Z has done to this country. Yer kna, that experience argument. no, I'm not. I'm just saying that, its now only a matter of time, as things stand. You do see this don't you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Okay, places like Bradford and Luton may have large amounts of Muslims living in the area but i'm yet to see any Islamic Party of Great Britain councillors elbowing their way into power in those areas. no, I'm not. I'm just saying that, its now only a matter of time, as things stand. You do see this don't you ? But even if they did, so what? those areas where they would gain power would be those with a vast majority of Muslims therefore why not have a councillor that understands them? Plus, my understanding of the Islamic party is that they promote integration rather than acting insular. Maybe they wil have more luck in getting those that currently dont attempt to fit in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Ok, I'm going to try and behave. I'm genuinely meaning no offence, slight or insult by anything that follows. "democracy" means you have to acknowledge viewpoints that may be abhorrent to you, my limited knowledge of the BNP suggests their policy towards immigration is counter intuitive, hopelessly flawed and frankly ignorant. However, I accept that the BNP represent a notable minority of the British public and as such deserve attention. (Even if that attention is only to raise the level of debate). Stevie, you said you voted BNP as a protest against Tory and Labour policies. Why BNP? why not Lib Dem, or (as has been suggested) a less sensational party? I don't vote for anyone for probably very similar reasons to you, but rather than afford power and credibility to a party who's systemic racism undermines any and all that they say, I spoil the ballot. I'm fully aware that my vote goes in the same pile as the idiots who cannot correctly complete a ballot, but I'd rather that than appear to support the BNP. to the publication of the list, it strikes me as a vindictive move by a number of exp-BNP party affiliates. I think membership of political parties should be public knowledge, but I don't think the personal information (addresses and whatnot) is necessary. That their own members are raging against their names and addresses appearing in the public domain does smack of cowardice however, if they stood firmly behind the party with whom they claim allegiance, why be ashamed? they gone so far as to become a member, why then are they ashamed? If it's because the public perception of the party is embarrassing, why the hell aren't they, as members, doing something about it? anyway, that's my two penneth... Fair points all of them Fish. The naked facts are that these people are gulity, secretive - misfits on the whole. Look at the leader for instance a man who gets excited if a BNP march ends in a local riot that damages the comminity spirit and probabably takes years to heal. The other thing about their particlular type of cowardice is their mealy words and hinting at things rather than coming out and telling it like it is....That is why even the NF and especially C18 hate them. This is probably why they are really shitting themselves. Well what do you want them to say "lets get all darkies and pakis oot cos they're cunts"? The fact is as hard as this is for people to believe there will be people in the BNP, who are not racist and just looking for alternatives. ....and like the blloke in the video they leave when they find out what it's all really about. The main reason the BNP now mask their real colours is cause race is a vote loser amongst the greater population rather than a vote winner. It's not the mid-eighties any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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