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[Guest alex]

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

[Fop 1]

They should change their name to The British Nimby Party.

 

That's every political party. Well apart from some Northern Irish ones who are Timbyyfc's.

[Fop 1]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

[Renton 22007]

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

 

I thought Fop was all for freedom of speech? He's not being contrary is he?

[Guest Stevie]

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

Good point and that's what the rot set firmly in

[Renton 22007]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

 

Really, can you back up that statement? More likely just to be general incompetence imo, the problem only came fully to light after 9/11 after all.

[Guest alex]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too.

Edited November 21, 2008 by alex

[Fop 1]

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

 

I thought Fop was all for freedom of speech? He's not being contrary is he?

I am, but inciting people to kill other people isn't freedom of speech no matter how contrary you want to be.

[Guest alex]

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

Good point and that's what the rot set firmly in

It's a case of being wise after the event though. The media weren't really covering it either.

[Happy Face 29]

Of course, if your being satirical you can say what you want. The Jihadist mullahs should do a podcast and hoy it on Itunes labelled as comedy.

[Meenzer 15732]

Of course, if your being satirical you can say what you want. The Jihadist mullahs should do a podcast and hoy it on Itunes labelled as comedy.

Unless you work for the BBC, obviously.

[Fop 1]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too.

 

It wasn't under the radar (under the public and media's radar, maybe), for example police investigated Finsbury Park mosque several times in the 90's they were always told to back off and leave it alone, even though there was more than enough evidence to convict a lot of people spewing their bile there.

 

Much like integrated transport policy they knew they had a problem by didn't want to deal with it because they knew it would be a political shitstorm that they'd at best gain little out of in the end and at worse lose a lot.

[Guest alex]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too.

 

It wasn't under the radar (under the public and media's radar, maybe), for example police investigated Finsbury Park mosque several times in the 90's they were always told to back off and leave it alone, even though there was more than enough evidence to convict a lot of people spewing their bile there.

 

Much like integrated transport policy they knew they had a problem by didn't want to deal with it because they knew it would be a political shitstorm that they'd at best gain little out of in the end and at worse lose a lot.

Not really that much like that tbf

[Renton 22007]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too.

 

It wasn't under the radar (under the public and media's radar, maybe), for example police investigated Finsbury Park mosque several times in the 90's they were always told to back off and leave it alone, even though there was more than enough evidence to convict a lot of people spewing their bile there.

 

Much like integrated transport policy they knew they had a problem by didn't want to deal with it because they knew it would be a political shitstorm that they'd at best gain little out of in the end and at worse lose a lot.

 

Have you any decent links to support this then, or is this just another general dig at politicians? I find it hard to believe the security forces, or politicians, would have sat on their hands if they considered it a serious threat. 9/11 cahnged everything.

[Billy Whitehurst 933]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done, THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

I live near the Brick Lane area, very close to the East London Mosque. I can certainly say that I do not feel like a second class citizen even though I live in a predominantly muslim area. The area is a mix of muslims, non-muslims from India/Bangladesh/Pakistan and white city types (due to the fact that it is walking distance to the city). From my (an friends who also live in the area) experience of living here for a few years, I have never had any bother. Groups do tend to keep to themselves (but that happens in most walks of life), everyone seems to respect to each other and I think it is a pretty good example of integration working. I certainly don't have a problem with signs being in English and Punjabi. I don't think the English language should be enforced upon everyone, just ask all the British expats on the Costa del Sol.

 

What do I know though, I've only lived here for a few years and witnessed integration working successfully. You, however, walked around and saw some signs in punjabi clearly demonstrating that integration isn't working.

[Fop 1]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too.

 

It wasn't under the radar (under the public and media's radar, maybe), for example police investigated Finsbury Park mosque several times in the 90's they were always told to back off and leave it alone, even though there was more than enough evidence to convict a lot of people spewing their bile there.

 

Much like integrated transport policy they knew they had a problem by didn't want to deal with it because they knew it would be a political shitstorm that they'd at best gain little out of in the end and at worse lose a lot.

Not really that much like that tbf

 

For a politician it is, remember their only barometer is what will win and lose them votes, you'll never get a Government doing the right thing long term if it's going to lose them their jobs short term. Better to ignore it and hope it goes away or magically fixes itself.

[Meenzer 15732]

For a politician it is, remember their only barometer is what will win and lose them votes, you'll never get a Government doing the right thing long term if it's going to lose them their jobs short term. Better to ignore it and hope it goes away or magically fixes itself.

There's certainly some truth in that in terms of the current financial situation. By far the best course of action would be to let the crisis accelerate, go through the worst of it as quickly as possible and come out the other side sooner rather than later - but that would put the next general election right in the middle of the trough, so instead we get these desperate attempts to keep things (more or less) afloat for another year or two, which is only going to make things even worse when the shit really hits the fan in the near future.

 

Bah.

[Fop 1]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too.

 

It wasn't under the radar (under the public and media's radar, maybe), for example police investigated Finsbury Park mosque several times in the 90's they were always told to back off and leave it alone, even though there was more than enough evidence to convict a lot of people spewing their bile there.

 

Much like integrated transport policy they knew they had a problem by didn't want to deal with it because they knew it would be a political shitstorm that they'd at best gain little out of in the end and at worse lose a lot.

 

Have you any decent links to support this then, or is this just another general dig at politicians? I find it hard to believe the security forces, or politicians, would have sat on their hands if they considered it a serious threat. 9/11 cahnged everything.

There have been several investigations into that (and attempted cover ups too) - although in fairness it was probably a risky one for the police as the dispatches episode showed, but considering you didn't know about a universal flu vaccine I can see how you wouldn't know about them either.

 

The thing that 9/11 changed was they realised that monitoring it and doing nothing about it wasn't likely to just allow the status quo to go on.... and in fact that they had a raft of new anti-terror legislation to play with.

[Fop 1]

For a politician it is, remember their only barometer is what will win and lose them votes, you'll never get a Government doing the right thing long term if it's going to lose them their jobs short term. Better to ignore it and hope it goes away or magically fixes itself.

There's certainly some truth in that in terms of the current financial situation. By far the best course of action would be to let the crisis accelerate, go through the worst of it as quickly as possible and come out the other side sooner rather than later - but that would put the next general election right in the middle of the trough, so instead we get these desperate attempts to keep things (more or less) afloat for another year or two, which is only going to make things even worse when the shit really hits the fan in the near future.

 

Bah.

 

Borrow for Brown™!!!

[Guest alex]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too.

 

It wasn't under the radar (under the public and media's radar, maybe), for example police investigated Finsbury Park mosque several times in the 90's they were always told to back off and leave it alone, even though there was more than enough evidence to convict a lot of people spewing their bile there.

 

Much like integrated transport policy they knew they had a problem by didn't want to deal with it because they knew it would be a political shitstorm that they'd at best gain little out of in the end and at worse lose a lot.

Not really that much like that tbf

 

For a politician it is, remember their only barometer is what will win and lose them votes, you'll never get a Government doing the right thing long term if it's going to lose them their jobs short term. Better to ignore it and hope it goes away or magically fixes itself.

Hence why I said it wasn't that much like it. You could have chosen virtually any political decision. I don't quite see the relevance of transport policy to this debate though. Anyway, it's another agree to disagree thing I think.

Edited November 21, 2008 by alex

[Park Life 71]

I think there are people like me who ARE NOT RACIST on this thread, who feel inhibited about what they can and can't say about race and immigration on here, because of the rules, PC, and constraints of free speech which have been opposed upon us over the last 12 years. I can't really add anything else to this apart from white people are second class citizens in their own country, we are, and it's because of the systems paranoia about appearing to be fair. Fucks me off, the whole country does. Life was much better 12-15 years ago.

 

A muslim can chant death to all British people, death to Britain and encourage terrorist attacks on our people, claim benefits and next to fuck all is done, THEY can march around London celebrating the attacks on September 11th, next to fuck all done. Yet a white wing group of 200 thugs are prevented from protesting at the attacks on the British people and against the views of a significant minority of muslim people, yet they are jailed???!?!?! Both are wrong but it's an example of why and how we have lost our own country to THESE people probably forever. I mean fucking hell walking round East London around Brick Lane, and all the fucking signs are in Punjabi, Churchill were turn in his grave, so would Enoch Powell (if he's deed). There's fuck all else I want to say.

 

I live near the Brick Lane area, very close to the East London Mosque. I can certainly say that I do not feel like a second class citizen even though I live in a predominantly muslim area. The area is a mix of muslims, non-muslims from India/Bangladesh/Pakistan and white city types (due to the fact that it is walking distance to the city). From my (an friends who also live in the area) experience of living here for a few years, I have never had any bother. Groups do tend to keep to themselves (but that happens in most walks of life), everyone seems to respect to each other and I think it is a pretty good example of integration working. I certainly don't have a problem with signs being in English and Punjabi. I don't think the English language should be enforced upon everyone, just ask all the British expats on the Costa del Sol.

 

What do I know though, I've only lived here for a few years and witnessed integration working successfully. You, however, walked around and saw some signs in punjabi clearly demonstrating that integration isn't working.

 

 

I had a great time when I lived in Birmimgham 10 years ago. Made some decent Sikh friends who make a point of keeping in touch. Jasvinder played for Villa U21 btw and but for a knee inj would have imo graduated to the periphery of the first team.

[Happy Face 29]

Have you any decent links to support this then, or is this just another general dig at politicians? I find it hard to believe the security forces, or politicians, would have sat on their hands if they considered it a serious threat. 9/11 cahnged everything.

 

 

Quoting Bush?

 

Not cool Renton.

 

Not cool.

[Ketsbaia 0]

I don't think Stevie is a bigot or racist. Remember, this is the bloke that doesn't want people from outside the NE1 postcode to be allowed into St. James Park so his prejudices aren't just down to race, creed or colour. Stevie just likes himself and hates everybody else.

[2bias 3]

Im back from work so I can finally voice my views on some of the shit written on here.

 

Does supporting the BNP, make you any less able to do your job? No.

 

Does supporting the BNP make you racist? Does it bollox.

 

If you are worried immigration, crime and positive descrimination, who else are you go to be a member of?

 

I DO NOT SUPPORT THE BNP.

Even though its Dannyb i agree

[Park Life 71]

As I've said before my boss is Indian, I shagged a black lass when I was 21 and I can speak Italian so how the fuck can I be racist?

I slept with a lass once, doesn't mean I'm not a raging hom.

 

True of a lot of people.

 

Don't worry Fop, some day you'll chance upon a drunken young lady passed out down an alleyway and you can finally get rid of that pesky '50 year old virgin' tag.

 

Am I 50 or 18? Or just immortal?

 

 

Also, that article is six years old and the government has taken steps to stop the likes of Hamza from preaching their disgusting, twisted versions of Islam. So it's not that relevent really is it?

 

The problem was they allowed it for more than 10 years before that.

I couldn't agree more. Lots of mistakes were made although part of living in a democracy like ours is that the boundaries of acceptable freedom of speech are tested all the time. It's also one of the good things about the UK in a way though.

What was being said was always well beyond the acceptable boundaries of freedom of speech, the only difference was that it was more politically convenient to just ignore it, until it started coming home to roost.

I agree btw. I think most people would have found it totally unacceptable. It wasn't just a case of political convenience though, it was way off the radar before 9/11 too.

 

It wasn't under the radar (under the public and media's radar, maybe), for example police investigated Finsbury Park mosque several times in the 90's they were always told to back off and leave it alone, even though there was more than enough evidence to convict a lot of people spewing their bile there.

 

Much like integrated transport policy they knew they had a problem by didn't want to deal with it because they knew it would be a political shitstorm that they'd at best gain little out of in the end and at worse lose a lot.

 

Have you any decent links to support this then, or is this just another general dig at politicians? I find it hard to believe the security forces, or politicians, would have sat on their hands if they considered it a serious threat. 9/11 cahnged everything.

There have been several investigations into that (and attempted cover ups too) - although in fairness it was probably a risky one for the police as the dispatches episode showed, but considering you didn't know about a universal flu vaccine I can see how you wouldn't know about them either.

 

The thing that 9/11 changed was they realised that monitoring it and doing nothing about it wasn't likely to just allow the status quo to go on.... and in fact that they had a raft of new anti-terror legislation to play with.

 

 

9/11 didn't change anything. THe illegal and lie peddling invasion of Iraq did. Especially as there was a case to have a look at Afghanistan and an even stronger case to look into the Afg/Pakistan border territories.