OTF 7485 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Apart from that being speculative to say the least, Cacapa was fouled and he didn't 'go to ground'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Apart from that being speculative to say the least, Cacapa was fouled and he didn't 'go to ground'. That's the annoying thing, he was fouled and had he went to ground would perhaps of got a freekick, whereas as ever Johnson couldn't wait to hit the deck and got his 'reward'. And much as i thought Cacapa was bad who's to say Taylor wouldn't have been standing behind Given waving his arms about during the incident! Definitely would have played Bassong with Colo as i just think it would have been a better combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7485 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Apart from that being speculative to say the least, Cacapa was fouled and he didn't 'go to ground'. Without speculation this would be one empty forum. My point was that Taylor would not have been so easily dismissed. I didn't say Cacapa wasn't fouled. I'm disappointed with his performance in that situation and his overall performance in the game, particularly as most of the rest of the team had pretty decent games. We obviously have better players than Fulham, so not getting anything in this match hurts given our position on the table. Kinnear is going to cop a fine for his comments. ''We've got the Mickey Mouse referee doing nothing. He's made an error that cost us. ''The same thing happened last week with a penalty against Man City. ''Later on it was proved it wasn't a penalty and we had a player sent off. That cost us points. ''It just doesn't stop but that's the standard of refereeing in this country. ''It happens week in, week out. There's always a smart answer like 'someone was obstructing my view'. ''You used to be able to have a bit of banter with referees and they'd put their hands up if they make mistakes. Now they hide. ''I'm really sick that we didn't finish with anything. It was a golden opportunity that passed us by. There was only one winner in the second half.'' Penalty 'last week' against Man City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Cacapa needs sent to the knackers and soon before he can cost us another game. Why take off our best player (Jonas) for Owen, who walked around doing absolutely nothing except muffing an obvious chance? Why play that terrifyingly slow, shit bald bastard when we have Bassong who has not exactly lit up the league but is certainly better? We had great passing sequences at times and that just illustrates that there is a gulf in class between us and the pathetic outfit that is Fulham. We shouldn't be losing to joke clubs like them. Beye played great, too bad refs seem to have an auto-foul policy on him. Shola was a joke, Martins too, didn't help that Brett Coat-hangeland was hanging off both of them all game long. This club needs help. Joe Kinnear is not the answer. Save our season, someone. Easy with benefit of hindsight I supposed but I'd say Edgar and Bassong are both a better bet than Cacapa at CB. Especially alongside Colo. Without a doubt imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty 4 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Cacapa needs sent to the knackers and soon before he can cost us another game. Why take off our best player (Jonas) for Owen, who walked around doing absolutely nothing except muffing an obvious chance? Why play that terrifyingly slow, shit bald bastard when we have Bassong who has not exactly lit up the league but is certainly better? We had great passing sequences at times and that just illustrates that there is a gulf in class between us and the pathetic outfit that is Fulham. We shouldn't be losing to joke clubs like them. Beye played great, too bad refs seem to have an auto-foul policy on him. Shola was a joke, Martins too, didn't help that Brett Coat-hangeland was hanging off both of them all game long. This club needs help. Joe Kinnear is not the answer. Save our season, someone. Easy with benefit of hindsight I supposed but I'd say Edgar and Bassong are both a better bet than Cacapa at CB. Especially alongside Colo. Without a doubt imo. Edgar's not too clever like, Bassongs a lot better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 On MOTD now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Cacapa had the perfect opportunity today to show why Steven Taylor isn't deserving of automatic selection when fit. Unfortunately he blew it apart and for my mind, shouldn't be considered for selection again. Quite why we sold Faye in the summer and not him is completely beyond me (and Keegan I don't doubt). As for the penalty well it was all the way - none of this 'Cacapa was nudged off the ball', he's a centre half FFS, he should be braying the likes of featherweights like Andy Johnson. Michael Owen managed to ensure that he'll remain out of Fabio's squad in the immediate future too. Shame about the match today like because, like last Monday, I think we were all over them after we'd scored and the game was there for the taking. Still reckon we were the better side in the second half but FFS, when are we going to have a match where we play in the first 30 mins? They should have been about 3 or 4 up at half time for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Deserved exactly what we got over the 90 mins - precisely fuck all. Which is disappointing because an ordinary Fulham side were there for the taking. We had a canny spell in the second half up to our goal but that's about it. Too many players had an off day though. Shola had another canny game although he helped prove my point about him not being able to play more the an hour. He barely had a kick after his goal. Cacapa had a mare for the first Fulham goal as well. Collocini for their second. Cacapa was fouled for it however. Although he was far too easily pushed away by Johnson for my liking. Only part of your post I disagree with to be honest. thought we deserved a point at least. When we had our good spell, we looked the far more likely to score. Don't get me wrong, we weren't dominant, but I'm sure we should have got a point. Although to be fair I didn't see the first 15 minutes or so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Cacapa had the perfect opportunity today to show why Steven Taylor isn't deserving of automatic selection when fit. Unfortunately he blew it apart and for my mind, shouldn't be considered for selection again. Quite why we sold Faye in the summer and not him is completely beyond me (and Keegan I don't doubt). As for the penalty well it was all the way - none of this 'Cacapa was nudged off the ball', he's a centre half FFS, he should be braying the likes of featherweights like Andy Johnson. Michael Owen managed to ensure that he'll remain out of Fabio's squad in the immediate future too. Shame about the match today like because, like last Monday, I think we were all over them after we'd scored and the game was there for the taking. Still reckon we were the better side in the second half but FFS, when are we going to have a match where we play in the first 30 mins? They should have been about 3 or 4 up at half time for sure! Faye was sold because he fell out with Keegan according to the .com lads. They had a bust up at half time in the Everton game and he was left out of all of our pre season fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Cacapa had the perfect opportunity today to show why Steven Taylor isn't deserving of automatic selection when fit. Unfortunately he blew it apart and for my mind, shouldn't be considered for selection again. Quite why we sold Faye in the summer and not him is completely beyond me (and Keegan I don't doubt). As for the penalty well it was all the way - none of this 'Cacapa was nudged off the ball', he's a centre half FFS, he should be braying the likes of featherweights like Andy Johnson. Michael Owen managed to ensure that he'll remain out of Fabio's squad in the immediate future too. Shame about the match today like because, like last Monday, I think we were all over them after we'd scored and the game was there for the taking. Still reckon we were the better side in the second half but FFS, when are we going to have a match where we play in the first 30 mins? They should have been about 3 or 4 up at half time for sure! Faye was sold because he fell out with Keegan according to the .com lads. They had a bust up at half time in the Everton game and he was left out of all of our pre season fixtures. Wasn't he supposed to have had a barney with The Zog at the end of last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Woeful. As spineless and as gutless as the Mackems game if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBoyFromOz 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Would having Faye still in the squad have had any positive effect on our defensive performance so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Cacapa had the perfect opportunity today to show why Steven Taylor isn't deserving of automatic selection when fit. Unfortunately he blew it apart and for my mind, shouldn't be considered for selection again. Quite why we sold Faye in the summer and not him is completely beyond me (and Keegan I don't doubt). As for the penalty well it was all the way - none of this 'Cacapa was nudged off the ball', he's a centre half FFS, he should be braying the likes of featherweights like Andy Johnson. Michael Owen managed to ensure that he'll remain out of Fabio's squad in the immediate future too. Shame about the match today like because, like last Monday, I think we were all over them after we'd scored and the game was there for the taking. Still reckon we were the better side in the second half but FFS, when are we going to have a match where we play in the first 30 mins? They should have been about 3 or 4 up at half time for sure! So Cacapa makes a mistake and he shouldn't be allowed near the team ever again yet Taylor can fuck up week after week and I suppose its ok for him to be back in the squad next week? Scapegoat-tastic The majority of the team were fucking woeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3965 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Cacapa had the perfect opportunity today to show why Steven Taylor isn't deserving of automatic selection when fit. Unfortunately he blew it apart and for my mind, shouldn't be considered for selection again. Quite why we sold Faye in the summer and not him is completely beyond me (and Keegan I don't doubt). As for the penalty well it was all the way - none of this 'Cacapa was nudged off the ball', he's a centre half FFS, he should be braying the likes of featherweights like Andy Johnson. Michael Owen managed to ensure that he'll remain out of Fabio's squad in the immediate future too. Shame about the match today like because, like last Monday, I think we were all over them after we'd scored and the game was there for the taking. Still reckon we were the better side in the second half but FFS, when are we going to have a match where we play in the first 30 mins? They should have been about 3 or 4 up at half time for sure! So Cacapa makes a mistake and he shouldn't be allowed near the team ever again yet Taylor can fuck up week after week and I suppose its ok for him to be back in the squad next week? Scapegoat-tastic The majority of the team were fucking woeful. To be fair Cacapa didn't just make a mistake. He was at fault for both goals as he was so far out of position marking johnson for the penalty. He also looked awful whenever he got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Apart from that being speculative to say the least, Cacapa was fouled and he didn't 'go to ground'. Without speculation this would be one empty forum. My point was that Taylor would not have been so easily dismissed. I didn't say Cacapa wasn't fouled. I'm disappointed with his performance in that situation and his overall performance in the game, particularly as most of the rest of the team had pretty decent games. We obviously have better players than Fulham, so not getting anything in this match hurts given our position on the table. Kinnear is going to cop a fine for his comments. My point was Cacapa didn't go to ground for the penalty. His overall performance wasn't great by any means but the penalty was in no way, shape or form his fault so I don't know what you're on about there regarding that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Apart from that being speculative to say the least, Cacapa was fouled and he didn't 'go to ground'. Without speculation this would be one empty forum. My point was that Taylor would not have been so easily dismissed. I didn't say Cacapa wasn't fouled. I'm disappointed with his performance in that situation and his overall performance in the game, particularly as most of the rest of the team had pretty decent games. We obviously have better players than Fulham, so not getting anything in this match hurts given our position on the table. Kinnear is going to cop a fine for his comments. My point was Cacapa didn't go to ground for the penalty. His overall performance wasn't great by any means but the penalty was in no way, shape or form his fault so I don't know what you're on about there regarding that situation. How can you say that cacapa wasnt partly responsible for the penalty? Was he fouled? Some say yes some say no...come on, one one hand we complain because the refs are taking the physical side out of the game and on the other at times when it suits us its too physical...Bullshit, cacapa wasnt fouled, he was turned inside out, he turned the wrong way and was too fucking slow to recover. His useless positional ability had us in trouble all night and yes it was coloccini's foul for the penalty, but he would of had to do that had cacapa not fucked up. And still we have the little rays of sunshine on here complaining about taylor, HE WASNT FUCKING PLAYING...I think he is grosly mistreated by many on here. No he is not world class, but he is decent, and had he of been playing last night, that would NOT of happened imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 To be fair I said as much earlier about him being stronger but, thinking about it, even if he was strong as an ox (which he obviously isn't), a push in the back like that can knock anyone off-balance. It was a blatant foul and it created the opening for Johnson to go past Colo. We didn't deserve much out of the game anyway but the opposition still shouldn't have gotten the penalty which proved to be the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 aye cacapa didn't goto ground for the penaltyi don't care if he was "fouled" he's a fcking centre back who was twice the size of Andy Johnson, he shouldn't be getting pushed anywhere by a midget like that. And it's not like this is his first bad performance... sorry his legs are shot, his positioning isn't good to make up for that and he got pushed around by andy johnston, and i remember Robbie Keane doing it before for spurs as well a slow, badly positioned centre back who gets pushed off the ball by people half his size... aye that should definitely be starting. Pretty much what i just said, you beat me to the punch haha I still for the life of me cant understand why Bassong didnt play? He has match fitness and minutes under his belt this season and he has looked solid in EVERY game he's played. So why oh why stick a useless, rusty, slow and old washed up Brazilian porn star lookalike in our back four? Fucking clueless man!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Apart from that being speculative to say the least, Cacapa was fouled and he didn't 'go to ground'. Without speculation this would be one empty forum. My point was that Taylor would not have been so easily dismissed. I didn't say Cacapa wasn't fouled. I'm disappointed with his performance in that situation and his overall performance in the game, particularly as most of the rest of the team had pretty decent games. We obviously have better players than Fulham, so not getting anything in this match hurts given our position on the table. Kinnear is going to cop a fine for his comments. My point was Cacapa didn't go to ground for the penalty. His overall performance wasn't great by any means but the penalty was in no way, shape or form his fault so I don't know what you're on about there regarding that situation. How can you say that cacapa wasnt partly responsible for the penalty? Was he fouled? Some say yes some say no...come on, one one hand we complain because the refs are taking the physical side out of the game and on the other at times when it suits us its too physical...Bullshit, cacapa wasnt fouled, he was turned inside out, he turned the wrong way and was too fucking slow to recover. His useless positional ability had us in trouble all night and yes it was coloccini's foul for the penalty, but he would of had to do that had cacapa not fucked up. And still we have the little rays of sunshine on here complaining about taylor, HE WASNT FUCKING PLAYING...I think he is grosly mistreated by many on here. No he is not world class, but he is decent, and had he of been playing last night, that would NOT of happened imo. Of course he was fouled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 And still we have the little rays of sunshine on here complaining about taylor, HE WASNT FUCKING PLAYING...I think he is grosly mistreated by many on here. No he is not world class, but he is decent, and had he of been playing last night, that would NOT of happened imo. Aye he would probably have halfed Johnson in two conceding a penalty before Colo had a chance to get near him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 aye cacapa didn't goto ground for the penaltyi don't care if he was "fouled" he's a fcking centre back who was twice the size of Andy Johnson, he shouldn't be getting pushed anywhere by a midget like that. And it's not like this is his first bad performance... sorry his legs are shot, his positioning isn't good to make up for that and he got pushed around by andy johnston, and i remember Robbie Keane doing it before for spurs as well a slow, badly positioned centre back who gets pushed off the ball by people half his size... aye that should definitely be starting. Pretty much what i just said, you beat me to the punch haha I still for the life of me cant understand why Bassong didnt play? He has match fitness and minutes under his belt this season and he has looked solid in EVERY game he's played. So why oh why stick a useless, rusty, slow and old washed up Brazilian porn star lookalike in our back four? Fucking clueless man!! Kinnear reckons Bassong wasn't 100%. Don't know why he was on the bench instead of Edgar in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Apart from that being speculative to say the least, Cacapa was fouled and he didn't 'go to ground'. Without speculation this would be one empty forum. My point was that Taylor would not have been so easily dismissed. I didn't say Cacapa wasn't fouled. I'm disappointed with his performance in that situation and his overall performance in the game, particularly as most of the rest of the team had pretty decent games. We obviously have better players than Fulham, so not getting anything in this match hurts given our position on the table. Kinnear is going to cop a fine for his comments. My point was Cacapa didn't go to ground for the penalty. His overall performance wasn't great by any means but the penalty was in no way, shape or form his fault so I don't know what you're on about there regarding that situation. How can you say that cacapa wasnt partly responsible for the penalty? Was he fouled? Some say yes some say no...come on, one one hand we complain because the refs are taking the physical side out of the game and on the other at times when it suits us its too physical...Bullshit, cacapa wasnt fouled, he was turned inside out, he turned the wrong way and was too fucking slow to recover. His useless positional ability had us in trouble all night and yes it was coloccini's foul for the penalty, but he would of had to do that had cacapa not fucked up. And still we have the little rays of sunshine on here complaining about taylor, HE WASNT FUCKING PLAYING...I think he is grosly mistreated by many on here. No he is not world class, but he is decent, and had he of been playing last night, that would NOT of happened imo. Of course he was fouled Thats the best you can do? Come on mate your better than that! That was NOT a foul, he's just shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6700 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Cacapa had the perfect opportunity today to show why Steven Taylor isn't deserving of automatic selection when fit. Unfortunately he blew it apart and for my mind, shouldn't be considered for selection again. Quite why we sold Faye in the summer and not him is completely beyond me (and Keegan I don't doubt). As for the penalty well it was all the way - none of this 'Cacapa was nudged off the ball', he's a centre half FFS, he should be braying the likes of featherweights like Andy Johnson. Michael Owen managed to ensure that he'll remain out of Fabio's squad in the immediate future too. Shame about the match today like because, like last Monday, I think we were all over them after we'd scored and the game was there for the taking. Still reckon we were the better side in the second half but FFS, when are we going to have a match where we play in the first 30 mins? They should have been about 3 or 4 up at half time for sure! So Cacapa makes a mistake and he shouldn't be allowed near the team ever again yet Taylor can fuck up week after week and I suppose its ok for him to be back in the squad next week? Scapegoat-tastic The majority of the team were fucking woeful. No... you're missing my point entirely. Steven Taylor is gash IMO, yet for some reason, if he's fit, seems to get in the squad week in, week out without fail. Yesterday provided an ideal opportunity, for someone (Cacapa in this event) to offer cast-iron evidence as to why Taylor should be over-looked. He failed to prove it IMO. Aside from that, my reasons for not selecting him again go beyond the 90 mins yesterday. Whenever he's played I don't think our back 4 have ever had an ounce of confidence. Sadly don't rate him despite having high hopes when he came from Lyon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It isn't hard to blame Colocinni at all. It was his fault. He's still a good player. Big problem today was we didn't have a 'centre-half', we had two sweepers. Taylor was a miss. And I don't even rate Taylor. Taylor is average. But if he was there Coloccini would not have had to react to Cacapa going to ground. Apart from that being speculative to say the least, Cacapa was fouled and he didn't 'go to ground'. Without speculation this would be one empty forum. My point was that Taylor would not have been so easily dismissed. I didn't say Cacapa wasn't fouled. I'm disappointed with his performance in that situation and his overall performance in the game, particularly as most of the rest of the team had pretty decent games. We obviously have better players than Fulham, so not getting anything in this match hurts given our position on the table. Kinnear is going to cop a fine for his comments. My point was Cacapa didn't go to ground for the penalty. His overall performance wasn't great by any means but the penalty was in no way, shape or form his fault so I don't know what you're on about there regarding that situation. How can you say that cacapa wasnt partly responsible for the penalty? Was he fouled? Some say yes some say no...come on, one one hand we complain because the refs are taking the physical side out of the game and on the other at times when it suits us its too physical...Bullshit, cacapa wasnt fouled, he was turned inside out, he turned the wrong way and was too fucking slow to recover. His useless positional ability had us in trouble all night and yes it was coloccini's foul for the penalty, but he would of had to do that had cacapa not fucked up. And still we have the little rays of sunshine on here complaining about taylor, HE WASNT FUCKING PLAYING...I think he is grosly mistreated by many on here. No he is not world class, but he is decent, and had he of been playing last night, that would NOT of happened imo. Of course he was fouled Thats the best you can do? Come on mate your better than that! That was NOT a foul, he's just shit What else do you want me to say? How is a push in the back not a foul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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