Guest alex Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 James Brown will be happy up in heaven. He finally got his 'Funky President'. Now if only Flip-Flop would stop talkin' loud and sayin' nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 He's merely exploding the myth of race imo. Nah, he's just playing both sides again. Because he's black he must be hustling? You racist bastard. Labelling someone because of their skin tone is racism. A few more years genetic manipulation research and there's going to be a lot of confused people here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 (edited) Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Irrespective of wherever it should go from here; because of course nobody (not even you) is clairvoyant. Edited November 6, 2008 by manc-mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15745 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 There's never a bad time to roll out http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 He's merely exploding the myth of race imo. Nah, he's just playing both sides again. Because he's black he must be hustling? You racist bastard. Labelling someone because of their skin tone is racism. Is it? I thought it was discrimination or prejudice. You're saying merely mentioning someones race makes you racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 He's merely exploding the myth of race imo. Nah, he's just playing both sides again. Because he's black he must be hustling? You racist bastard. Labelling someone because of their skin tone is racism. Doesn't that comment in itself show that you yourself notice the different skin tones and features that set apart people from different ethnic backgrounds? And by 'set apart', I mean appearance-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Not really, it could have had more historical impact if he'd played it differently, but he didn't. I think it may even deepen race issues in the USA in the long-term (even the rest of the world maybe). He probably knows it and that's why his PR team is trying to spin things the away from "1st black president" now. Irrespective of wherever it should go from here; because of course nobody (not even you) is clairvoyant. One the one hand he's taking over with it difficult to make anything worse, on the other hand there's that much froth with him at the moment it's impossible to live up to (unless he is assassinated, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15745 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Not really Now if that's not worth a cliquey then nothing is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Not really, it could have had more historical impact if he'd played it differently, but he didn't. I think it may even deepen race issues in the USA in the long-term (even the rest of the world maybe). He probably knows it and that's why his PR team is trying to spin things the away from "1st black president" now. Irrespective of wherever it should go from here; because of course nobody (not even you) is clairvoyant. One the one hand he's taking over with it difficult to make anything worse, on the other hand there's that much froth with him at the moment it's impossible to live up to (unless he is assassinated, of course). Well, I think you're probably in tiny minority (not an ethnic one though, they don't exist apparently) in thinking that. Of course, that won't stop you assuming you're 'right'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Is it? I thought it was discrimination or prejudice. You're saying merely mentioning someones race makes you racist? Without labelling there can be no discrimination or prejudice. By labelling someone you're doing that whether you realise it or not, now that doesn't mean you're going to hang someone or fire bomb someone because of it, but it does mean you're making a judgement about someone base on a "racial" attribute. Doesn't that comment in itself show that you yourself notice the different skin tones and features that set apart people from different ethnic backgrounds? And by 'set apart', I mean appearance-wise. I accept that it is racism though. I'm not in denial about it. I'm just saying it'll never go away until that does too (and Obama missed an opportunity for a big step in that direction). BTW I love you two , you'll claim you don't till you're blue in the face, but arguing is what you live for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Not really, it could have had more historical impact if he'd played it differently, but he didn't. I think it may even deepen race issues in the USA in the long-term (even the rest of the world maybe). He probably knows it and that's why his PR team is trying to spin things the away from "1st black president" now. Irrespective of wherever it should go from here; because of course nobody (not even you) is clairvoyant. One the one hand he's taking over with it difficult to make anything worse, on the other hand there's that much froth with him at the moment it's impossible to live up to (unless he is assassinated, of course). OK then! The fact is people noticed he was black and voted him in regardless, where this would just never have happened in the past. As to the rest you're basically just criticising him for being a polititican and playing the game. I don't think he's going to be a superman, I think he's just a politician, but rightly or wrongly (wwhich is a completely different debate) he's regarded as a black politician and now a black president. That is his real victory and that is why it represents history making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Not really, it could have had more historical impact if he'd played it differently, but he didn't. I think it may even deepen race issues in the USA in the long-term (even the rest of the world maybe). He probably knows it and that's why his PR team is trying to spin things the away from "1st black president" now. Irrespective of wherever it should go from here; because of course nobody (not even you) is clairvoyant. One the one hand he's taking over with it difficult to make anything worse, on the other hand there's that much froth with him at the moment it's impossible to live up to (unless he is assassinated, of course). Well, I think you're probably in tiny minority (not an ethnic one though, they don't exist apparently) in thinking that. Of course, that won't stop you assuming you're 'right'. I'm happy enough for history to prove me right, much like with Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 OK then! The fact is people noticed he was black and voted him in regardless, where this would just never have happened in the past. As to the rest you're basically just criticising him for being a polititican and playing the game. I don't think he's going to be a superman, I think he's just a politician, but rightly or wrongly (wwhich is a completely different debate) he's regarded as a black politician and now a black president. That is his real victory and that is why it represents history making. Clearly you've missed the point of this entire thread. Not that I'm especially surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Is it? I thought it was discrimination or prejudice. You're saying merely mentioning someones race makes you racist? Without labelling there can be no discrimination or prejudice. By labelling someone you're doing that whether you realise it or not, now that doesn't mean you're going to hang someone or fire bomb someone because of it, but it does mean you're making a judgement about someone base on a "racial" attribute. Doesn't that comment in itself show that you yourself notice the different skin tones and features that set apart people from different ethnic backgrounds? And by 'set apart', I mean appearance-wise. I accept that it is racism though. I'm not in denial about it. I'm just saying it'll never go away until that does too (and Obama missed an opportunity for a big step in that direction). BTW I love you two , you'll claim you don't till you're blue in the face, but arguing is what you live for. I don't though. It's just a fact. If you then dislike a person or discriminate against them on that basis, that is racism. There's the fundamental difference in how we view this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 The usual suspects are amassing below, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I don't though. It's just a fact. If you then dislike a person or discriminate against them on that basis, that is racism. There's the fundamental difference in how we view this. Like I said in a few years there's going to be some very confused people on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 (edited) Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Not really, it could have had more historical impact if he'd played it differently, but he didn't. I think it may even deepen race issues in the USA in the long-term (even the rest of the world maybe). He probably knows it and that's why his PR team is trying to spin things the away from "1st black president" now. Irrespective of wherever it should go from here; because of course nobody (not even you) is clairvoyant. One the one hand he's taking over with it difficult to make anything worse, on the other hand there's that much froth with him at the moment it's impossible to live up to (unless he is assassinated, of course). Well, I think you're probably in tiny minority (not an ethnic one though, they don't exist apparently) in thinking that. Of course, that won't stop you assuming you're 'right'. I'm happy enough for history to prove me right, much like with Thatcher. I think you've tripped yourself again there because even if your rather warped view of the future occurs whereby Obama's becoming President of the US leads to a worsening in race relations, it'll still be historically significant. Edited November 6, 2008 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I don't though. It's just a fact. If you then dislike a person or discriminate against them on that basis, that is racism. There's the fundamental difference in how we view this. Like I said in a few years there's going to be some very confused people on here. Any chance of you explaining what that means btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Obama missed an opportunity for a big step in that direction Obama missed an opportunity? He turned the most socially conservative democracy on the planet from voting republican (again) by the skin of his white teeth and he missed an opportunity? Nonsense, he had to fight tooth (white) and nail (pink) just to get his ass (black) in the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46216 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 bawan said everything that needed to be said to Fop in this thread here: http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=542047 Please don't give him any more attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 OK then! The fact is people noticed he was black and voted him in regardless, where this would just never have happened in the past. As to the rest you're basically just criticising him for being a polititican and playing the game. I don't think he's going to be a superman, I think he's just a politician, but rightly or wrongly (wwhich is a completely different debate) he's regarded as a black politician and now a black president. That is his real victory and that is why it represents history making. Clearly you've missed the point of this entire thread. Not that I'm especially surprised. You're not the US electorate so don't presume that you are tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Fop, do you not accept that the fact of the election of a 'black' president has an intrinsic historical and symbolic importance? Not really, it could have had more historical impact if he'd played it differently, but he didn't. I think it may even deepen race issues in the USA in the long-term (even the rest of the world maybe). He probably knows it and that's why his PR team is trying to spin things the away from "1st black president" now. Irrespective of wherever it should go from here; because of course nobody (not even you) is clairvoyant. One the one hand he's taking over with it difficult to make anything worse, on the other hand there's that much froth with him at the moment it's impossible to live up to (unless he is assassinated, of course). Well, I think you're probably in tiny minority (not an ethnic one though, they don't exist apparently) in thinking that. Of course, that won't stop you assuming you're 'right'. I'm happy enough for history to prove me right, much like with Thatcher. I think you've tripped yourself again there because even if you're rather warped view of the future occurs whereby Obama's becoming President of the US leads to a worsening in race relations, it'll still be historically significant. It was going to happen anyway IMO (just look at US demographics), but he may have sped it up. But you could be right that he would be a negative historical footnote, but that's not exactly what is being said about him at this moment or is being meant above. But that's the difference here, you are just trying to argue (as you do), where as I'm trying to put across a point. But it's all fun anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I don't though. It's just a fact. If you then dislike a person or discriminate against them on that basis, that is racism. There's the fundamental difference in how we view this. Like I said in a few years there's going to be some very confused people on here. Any chance of you explaining what that means btw? I already have, you never pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 This reminds me of a teacher at school who gave us a talk on race in assembly. She told the story (probably made up) of her young daughter, who was pointing out a friend to her at the swimming pool. She went through everything "The one with black hair", "the one with long hair", "the short one", "she's limping a bit". Finally the teacher realised she meant the black lass. And she held this up as some sort of paragon, her daughter's color blindness was supposed to be something she could be proud of. Utter bollocks, the kid was black, it's her most distinguishing feature, it's the first that would sensibly be used to identify her. The bint of a teacher had taught her kid that race was tabboo, something shameful and not to be mentioned, unlike hair colour or length, or height, or disability. I suppose that was the olden days, but it amazed me even as a kid myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Obama missed an opportunity for a big step in that direction Obama missed an opportunity? He turned the most socially conservative democracy on the planet from voting republican (again) by the skin of his white teeth and he missed an opportunity? Nonsense, he had to fight tooth (white) and nail (pink) just to get his ass (black) in the door. Hilary would have likely won. Anyone but Bush would have likely won. His biggest fight of the Presidential campaign was versus Hilary, after than he just didn't have to make any massive mistakes. But all that's fairly irrelevant to missing his opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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