Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Nice to see a half decent performance for once although I would be a bit worried if our first choice full-backs were missing in the World Cup. I thought Rooney was excellent and Lampard definitely benefitted from having King sitting in behind him. King also had a good game. I thought Owen was pretty sharp too, scoring one and settig one up. He missed a sitter though with the header. At times I still find it hard to believe he actually plays for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Personally I thought that Joe Cole was fantastic, but no doubt he'll get plenty of stick on here. England played better without Gerrard - hope Sven learns from that and plays a "holding midfielder" like Parker alongside Lampard in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Personally I thought that Joe Cole was fantastic, but no doubt he'll get plenty of stick on here. England played better without Gerrard - hope Sven learns from that and plays a "holding midfielder" like Parker alongside Lampard in future. 45395[/snapback] Aye, Cole did play well. Mind, I'm one of the few on here who's always liked him. Trouble is, if Sven does play a holding midfielder, I think he'll be the one to miss out. He'll probably go for a diamond with Beckham, Lampard and Gerrard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Personally I thought that Joe Cole was fantastic, but no doubt he'll get plenty of stick on here. England played better without Gerrard - hope Sven learns from that and plays a "holding midfielder" like Parker alongside Lampard in future. 45395[/snapback] Aye, Cole did play well. Mind, I'm one of the few on here who's always liked him. Trouble is, if Sven does play a holding midfielder, I think he'll be the one to miss out. He'll probably go for a diamond with Beckham, Lampard and Gerrard. 45397[/snapback] I wouldn't complain about that too much. Gerrard obviously needs to be in the team somewhere (although on current form he's behind all the midfielders who played last night, and Beckham). At the moment Cole certainly offers a lot more down the left than Gerrard would, but he's prone to giving the ball away in dangerous areas. The diamond does suit us a lot better than any other system though. We always played better with Scholes and Butt playing that role than we have done with Lampard and Gerrard both playing the same position. I'd build the team around Lampard and then see what you can do about fitting Gerrard in if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Decent performance - thought the midfield held well and that without Gerrard & Beckham there to swamp him, Lampard came into his own once more - as Motty said he IS the cornerstone of the England midfield. But if last night says anything, it confirms that he needs to play with a defensive midfielder and not an attacking midfielder in a defensive position. The time has come IMO for Gerrard and Beckham not to be automatically first choice. We have a batch of young quality defensive midfielders at our disposal, namely King, Carrick & Parker (and others) so why are they not getting a look in when the likes of Hargreaves, Jenas etc. who IMO are not up to scratch (or a patch on the others) always seem to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Another cap for Jenas. They give them away these days tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 No coincidence that beckham wasn't playing i reckon. Lives off his name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 No coincidence that beckham wasn't playing i reckon. Lives off his name 45477[/snapback] Change the name Beckham for Gerrard and I think you're spot on. As good as SWP was with the ball, and closing down, there was absolutely no end product from him yet again. Give the ball to Beckham and you'll guarantee that your striker will receive it in a dangerous position. I'm failing to see what Gerrard has actually done for England in the last 10 games though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Personally I think it was the shape/system, particularly the holding midfielder that made the difference. I think Beckham and Gerrard have to play though. SWP is one 'for the future' and an excellent option to bring off the bench IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Personally I think it was the shape/system, particularly the holding midfielder that made the difference. I think Beckham and Gerrard have to play though. SWP is one 'for the future' and an excellent option to bring off the bench IMO. 45484[/snapback] Why does Gerrard "have" to play? What does he offer England? Is he better than Lampard in that role? Can he play the holding midfield role if not? Does he create more on the left than Joe Cole, or the right than Beckham? I can't see where he fits in the team on current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Personally I think it was the shape/system, particularly the holding midfielder that made the difference. I think Beckham and Gerrard have to play though. SWP is one 'for the future' and an excellent option to bring off the bench IMO. 45484[/snapback] Why does Gerrard "have" to play? What does he offer England? Is he better than Lampard in that role? Can he play the holding midfield role if not? Does he create more on the left than Joe Cole, or the right than Beckham? I can't see where he fits in the team on current form. 45490[/snapback] I would play the diamond with Beckham right, Gerrard left, Lampard pushed up and King/Parker sitting in. Just my opinion like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Personally I think it was the shape/system, particularly the holding midfielder that made the difference. I think Beckham and Gerrard have to play though. SWP is one 'for the future' and an excellent option to bring off the bench IMO. 45484[/snapback] Why does Gerrard "have" to play? What does he offer England? Is he better than Lampard in that role? Can he play the holding midfield role if not? Does he create more on the left than Joe Cole, or the right than Beckham? I can't see where he fits in the team on current form. 45490[/snapback] I would play the diamond with Beckham right, Gerrard left, Lampard pushed up and King/Parker sitting in. Just my opinion like. 45505[/snapback] I know you would, I'm just wondering why you'd choose Gerrard ahead of someone like Joe Cole? Just out of interest like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard's place would be under the most threat at the moment, I just love his energy and drive though. Also, cliched I know, but (largely) form is temporary, class is permanent. I thought Lampard was struggling a bit earlier this season (compared to last season anyway) but I certainly wouldn't have dropped him. Like I say though, I have a lot of time for Joe Cole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard's place would be under the most threat at the moment, I just love his energy and drive though. Also, cliched I know, but (largely) form is temporary, class is permanent. I thought Lampard was struggling a bit earlier this season (compared to last season anyway) but I certainly wouldn't have dropped him. Like I say though, I have a lot of time for Joe Cole. 45507[/snapback] Does energy and drive win him a place on the left wing then? See, it IS hard for Sven afterall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Why does Gerrard "have" to play? What does he offer England? Is he better than Lampard in that role? Can he play the holding midfield role if not? Does he create more on the left than Joe Cole, or the right than Beckham? I can't see where he fits in the team on current form. 45490[/snapback] Agreed, You just can't get Beckham, Lampard and Gerrard into the same team. On current form I'd go with Lampard and Beckham (SWP isn't the finished article yet) and with King or Parker in the defensive role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard's place would be under the most threat at the moment, I just love his energy and drive though. Also, cliched I know, but (largely) form is temporary, class is permanent. I thought Lampard was struggling a bit earlier this season (compared to last season anyway) but I certainly wouldn't have dropped him. Like I say though, I have a lot of time for Joe Cole. 45507[/snapback] Does energy and drive win him a place on the left wing then? See, it IS hard for Sven afterall 45510[/snapback] Jesus wept, they aren't his only qualities Anyway, it would win him a place on the left hand side of the diamond which is technically speaking closer to the old left-half or perhaps inside-left position than left-wing. Anyway, wingers don't exist in the modern game. FACT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charlton Fan Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard is 20 times the player of Parker AND King, in the holding role,sven aint got the balls to play him in the holding role because he's probably our best attacking midfielder too, but Lamps can't defend so Gerrard must in the end lose out. Its not his fault he's been average for England, but Svens. I'd go for a diamond of Beckham right, gerrard holding, lampard attacking, and murphy left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard is 20 times the player of Parker AND King, in the holding role,sven aint got the balls to play him in the holding role because he's probably our best attacking midfielder too, but Lamps can't defend so Gerrard must in the end lose out. Its not his fault he's been average for England, but Svens. I'd go for a diamond of Beckham right, gerrard holding, lampard attacking, and murphy left. 45535[/snapback] I disagree, Gerrard's instincts are to attack and it's what he's best suited to. People seem to think just because he can put his foot in that he play well in the holding role. I reckon Lampard is a better attacking player too. Certainly for England in recent times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard is 20 times the player of Parker AND King, in the holding role,sven aint got the balls to play him in the holding role because he's probably our best attacking midfielder too, but Lamps can't defend so Gerrard must in the end lose out. Its not his fault he's been average for England, but Svens. I'd go for a diamond of Beckham right, gerrard holding, lampard attacking, and murphy left. 45535[/snapback] I disagree, Gerrard's instincts are to attack and it's what he's best suited to. People seem to think just because he can put his foot in that he play well in the holding role. I reckon Lampard is a better attacking player too. Certainly for England in recent times. 45538[/snapback] That's a better post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9772 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard is 20 times the player of Parker AND King, in the holding role,sven aint got the balls to play him in the holding role because he's probably our best attacking midfielder too, but Lamps can't defend so Gerrard must in the end lose out. Its not his fault he's been average for England, but Svens. I'd go for a diamond of Beckham right, gerrard holding, lampard attacking, and murphy left. 45535[/snapback] I disagree, Gerrard's instincts are to attack and it's what he's best suited to. People seem to think just because he can put his foot in that he play well in the holding role. I reckon Lampard is a better attacking player too. Certainly for England in recent times. 45538[/snapback] I think what sticks out at Lampard's game is his constant efficiency. He is most likely to be involved in the decisive moments of a game. And his sense for getting in the right position is second to none. Gerrard is a very good player, but what stands out are rather those screamers he scores occasionally than his consistency... he is also good at reckless two-footed nasty tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard is 20 times the player of Parker AND King, in the holding role,sven aint got the balls to play him in the holding role because he's probably our best attacking midfielder too, but Lamps can't defend so Gerrard must in the end lose out. Its not his fault he's been average for England, but Svens. I'd go for a diamond of Beckham right, gerrard holding, lampard attacking, and murphy left. 45535[/snapback] I disagree, Gerrard's instincts are to attack and it's what he's best suited to. People seem to think just because he can put his foot in that he play well in the holding role. I reckon Lampard is a better attacking player too. Certainly for England in recent times. 45538[/snapback] That's a better post 45547[/snapback] Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Gerrard is 20 times the player of Parker AND King, in the holding role,sven aint got the balls to play him in the holding role because he's probably our best attacking midfielder too, but Lamps can't defend so Gerrard must in the end lose out. Its not his fault he's been average for England, but Svens. I'd go for a diamond of Beckham right, gerrard holding, lampard attacking, and murphy left. 45535[/snapback] No bias there at all like is there going by your username.....??? I'd play Murphy left.......left off the squad list! To say that Gerrard is better than Parker in a defensive midfield role just highlights to me that you're one of the Charlton clan who are still bitter that he moved on from The Valley.... Guess you felt the same about Rob Lee as well no doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Danny Murphy deserves to be in the squad (certainly ahead of Jenas) but on the left??? Has he actually ever played there? If we're talking about picking the team now I'd go for: Joe Cole on the left, Beckham on the right, Parker playing the holding role and Lampard in front of him. With Gerrard, SWP, King and Carrick also in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Canny player Danny Murphy although his ascertion that you need to play for a 'big club' to get in the England squad doesn't really hold much water when his team mate Luke Young is getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInspiration 1 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 No coincidence that beckham wasn't playing i reckon. Lives off his name 45477[/snapback] Change the name Beckham for Gerrard and I think you're spot on. As good as SWP was with the ball, and closing down, there was absolutely no end product from him yet again. Give the ball to Beckham and you'll guarantee that your striker will receive it in a dangerous position. I'm failing to see what Gerrard has actually done for England in the last 10 games though 45478[/snapback] Umm, score against Azerbaijan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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