Jimbo 175 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Newcastle have been thrown into another cash controversy - this time over their 'bargain' summer signing of Jonás Gutiérrez. Newcastle signed the Argentinian winger in good faith, believing he was a free agent. But Gutiérrez's registration is now being disputed not just by his former club, Mallorca, who turned down a £8million bid for the highly rated player from Portsmouth as recently as January, but also by Argentine club Velez Sarsfield. Officials at St James' Park have refused to pay a penny for the transfer, but now could face a multi-million pound transfer bill plus lawyers' fees as Mallorca has launched a legal appeal. According to Gutiérrez, he was entitled to negotiate his own transfer without Mallorca’s permission as he had taken advantage of Fifa’s Article 17 which allows players under 28 to buy themselves out of a contract three years after the deal was signed. The clause is called 'the Webster ruling' after the test case involving the Hearts defender Andy Webster. Gutiérrez moved to Mallorca in 2005 after winning the Argentina league title with Sarsfield. But despite this, Mallorca have gone to law and have been given a court date in February, and if the Spanish judge rules in their favour, Newcastle could be looking for at least £8m in transfer monies plus legal costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonGoodwyn 1 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Isn't this all 4 months old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Isn't this all 4 months old? I think that was the argument over his registration, as they have lost that and he's been seen to be a sucess, they feel they have a strong case for compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Where's Jimenez when you need him? Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Where's Jimenez when you need him? Oh wait... Lining up a Charlton move for Jonas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 10017 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Where's Jimenez when you need him? Oh wait... We'll probably hear that the Milner deal also isn't worth 12m itself but rather 2m + a further 10m depending on future international appearances, world footballer awards etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Where's Jimenez when you need him? Oh wait... We'll probably hear that the Milner deal also isn't worth 12m itself but rather 2m + a further 10m depending on future international appearances, world footballer awards etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuspectPackage 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Newcastle have been thrown into another cash controversy - this time over their 'bargain' summer signing of Jonás Gutiérrez.Newcastle signed the Argentinian winger in good faith, believing he was a free agent. But Gutiérrez's registration is now being disputed not just by his former club, Mallorca, who turned down a £8million bid for the highly rated player from Portsmouth as recently as January, but also by Argentine club Velez Sarsfield. Officials at St James' Park have refused to pay a penny for the transfer, but now could face a multi-million pound transfer bill plus lawyers' fees as Mallorca has launched a legal appeal. According to Gutiérrez, he was entitled to negotiate his own transfer without Mallorca’s permission as he had taken advantage of Fifa’s Article 17 which allows players under 28 to buy themselves out of a contract three years after the deal was signed. The clause is called 'the Webster ruling' after the test case involving the Hearts defender Andy Webster. Gutiérrez moved to Mallorca in 2005 after winning the Argentina league title with Sarsfield. But despite this, Mallorca have gone to law and have been given a court date in February, and if the Spanish judge rules in their favour, Newcastle could be looking for at least £8m in transfer monies plus legal costs. Seeing as Gutierrez moved by the Webster ruling perfectly legally, I'm not sure what their actual grounds for appeal are. If they declare you have to pay a transfer fee after all, then they've effectively overturned the ruling for no real reason. But then again I suppose if it was one of our players (or one of yours) you could understand why Mallorca are pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Newcastle have been thrown into another cash controversy - this time over their 'bargain' summer signing of Jonás Gutiérrez.Newcastle signed the Argentinian winger in good faith, believing he was a free agent. But Gutiérrez's registration is now being disputed not just by his former club, Mallorca, who turned down a £8million bid for the highly rated player from Portsmouth as recently as January, but also by Argentine club Velez Sarsfield. Officials at St James' Park have refused to pay a penny for the transfer, but now could face a multi-million pound transfer bill plus lawyers' fees as Mallorca has launched a legal appeal. According to Gutiérrez, he was entitled to negotiate his own transfer without Mallorca’s permission as he had taken advantage of Fifa’s Article 17 which allows players under 28 to buy themselves out of a contract three years after the deal was signed. The clause is called 'the Webster ruling' after the test case involving the Hearts defender Andy Webster. Gutiérrez moved to Mallorca in 2005 after winning the Argentina league title with Sarsfield. But despite this, Mallorca have gone to law and have been given a court date in February, and if the Spanish judge rules in their favour, Newcastle could be looking for at least £8m in transfer monies plus legal costs. Seeing as Gutierrez moved by the Webster ruling perfectly legally, I'm not sure what their actual grounds for appeal are. If they declare you have to pay a transfer fee after all, then they've effectively overturned the ruling for no real reason. But then again I suppose if it was one of our players (or one of yours) you could understand why Mallorca are pissed off. I think they're suggesting he didn't buy himself out properly, he just walked out. So he doesn't qualify for the Webster ruling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 We'll end up paying 60m for him and then he'll get injured for 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuspectPackage 0 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Oh, I'd assumed he'd just invoked the ruling, and Newcastle had given him a signing on fee with his contract to buy himself out of Mallorca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Oh, I'd assumed he'd just invoked the ruling, and Newcastle had given him a signing on fee with his contract to buy himself out of Mallorca. Coercion is an issue apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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