OllieBurton 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 .........not me personally but that was the general reaction of Toon fans in general when "Geordie" Mike turned up in the Away section wearing a black 'n' white shirt, pot gut & a big grin. All he had to do was play Jack the Lad & he had everyone kissing his @rse ..........especially when he brought the "Messiah" back, and then he well & truly f*cked things up big style when he appointed Dennis (not so) Wise & things went rapidly down hill. Listen, I've got nowt against KK, he was great in his day both as a player & a manager but, lets face it, he's well past his "sell buy" I sincerely hope that whoever takes over is in it for the long term (like the Yanks at Manu U), invests in the club & builds for the future. So, I've not been so complimentary about KK - what are my alternatives? How about:- a) El Tel - top class & proven & he's interested (just don't let him anywhere near the accounts) Paul Ince - if he could be tempted away from Blackburn, c) Matin O,Neil - a class act. Am I talkin sh!te or what ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I know you're trolling, but what exactly did Keegan do wrong (apart from not want to his squad sold out from under him). 1. tactically? 2. coaching? 3. squad building (as much as he was allowed)? And for that matter why would Venables, Ince or even O'neill do better? Is allowing an idiot with no real experience (Wise) to ravage your squad right-on "new school" management? And when did Fergy/Wenger/Mourinho or even O'neill last allow it to happen to their squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4160 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 KK past his sell buy so you want el tel?? martin o neil not happening paul ince - no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Sell buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. He knew he would be working with a DOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14015 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I never heard a single fan ask for Keegan. Funny that. We were happy when he came back but I never heard anybody knock down Ashley's door for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I never heard a single fan ask for Keegan. Funny that. We were happy when he came back but I never heard anybody knock down Ashley's door for it... He canvassed the fans at away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. He knew he would be working with a DOF. Was that the fans' choice as well? Otherwise I don't see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. He knew he would be working with a DOF. Wise was never described as that until after the blow up, he was supposedly there to oversee youth development/recruitment, not to try to hawk Owen to the highest bidder. I can't imagine Keegan (or anyone else) having a problem with the original description of Wise's job - however conversely I cannot see many (if any) managers not having a problem with the end result of Wise's job (especially when added to Lambrusco whose only qualifications seem to be Grade 1 smirking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I never heard a single fan ask for Keegan. Funny that. We were happy when he came back but I never heard anybody knock down Ashley's door for it... He canvassed the fans at away games. That's bollocks imo, more PR shite a la Shepherd with Roeder, i.e. 'if it goes tits up, it's the fans to blame, not me'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. He knew he would be working with a DOF. Wise was never described as that until after the blow up, he was supposedly there to oversee youth development/recruitment, not to try to hawk Owen to the highest bidder. I can't imagine Keegan (or anyone else) having a problem with the original description of Wise's job - however conversely I cannot see many (if any) managers not having a problem with the end result of Wise's job (especially when added to Lambrusco whose only qualifications seem to be Grade 1 smirking). A good point backed up by official statements from the club itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. He knew he would be working with a DOF. Was that the fans' choice as well? Otherwise I don't see your point. My point is, he should have appointed a manager used to the continental structure rather than a dinosaur that would make him popular with the fans. The new lot are going to do it all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14015 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 A manager like Ramos? 4-1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. He knew he would be working with a DOF. Wise was never described as that until after the blow up, he was supposedly there to oversee youth development/recruitment, not to try to hawk Owen to the highest bidder. I can't imagine Keegan (or anyone else) having a problem with the original description of Wise's job - however conversely I cannot see many (if any) managers not having a problem with the end result of Wise's job (especially when added to Lambrusco whose only qualifications seem to be Grade 1 smirking). His official title has always been, director in charge of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. He knew he would be working with a DOF. Was that the fans' choice as well? Otherwise I don't see your point. My point is, he should have appointed a manager used to the continental structure rather than a dinosaur that would make him popular with the fans. The new lot are going to do it all over again. You really buy all the press cliches don't you? He showed last season with the 4-3-3 variation playing Martins, Owen and Viduka alone that he knows more about football than he's given credit for. He's a good manager, end of. Not the ultimate choice perhaps but then again (sorry top dispel another myth about all being deluded) I'm under no illusions about who we could attract at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The thing that gets me is that toon fans want the new owners to make the same mistake. What happens if they have a falling out? Its never ending. The biggest mistake Ashley made was listening to the fans. The fans wanted Dennis Wise et al to come in and undermine KK I take it? That's a new one. He knew he would be working with a DOF. Wise was never described as that until after the blow up, he was supposedly there to oversee youth development/recruitment, not to try to hawk Owen to the highest bidder. I can't imagine Keegan (or anyone else) having a problem with the original description of Wise's job - however conversely I cannot see many (if any) managers not having a problem with the end result of Wise's job (especially when added to Lambrusco whose only qualifications seem to be Grade 1 smirking). His official title has always been, director in charge of football. No it hasn't it's Executive Director (Football) iirc. It's a vague enough title and when the club initially clarified his role in public it didn't come across as what you'd described as a continental-style DoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 It's clear to me the Wise role changed/eveloved during KK's tenure. It went from youth prospects and low level transfer stuff to him buying players. Wise himself contradicts himself over a similar period. Either his role was masked or he just developed it with MA's say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 878 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Swap Keegan for Venables or Ince? Surely not. And Martin O'Neill wouldn't come. ...You can all guess who my preference for next manager is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 If he'd always been the Director of Football and the club's owner wanted to make that apparent, it would have been more straightforward of him to have called Wise that all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 It's clear to me the Wise role changed/eveloved during KK's tenure. It went from youth prospects and low level transfer stuff to him buying players. Wise himself contradicts himself over a similar period. Either his role was masked or he just developed it with MA's say so. Maybe Ashley was concerned that after he had paid down NUFCs mountain of debt for them, his manager was intent on racking it back up. Maybe KK just displayed a massive lack of realism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14015 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 KK wanted Warnock and Lennon. £6m each. Craaaaazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Swap Keegan for Venables or Ince? Surely not. And Martin O'Neill wouldn't come. ...You can all guess who my preference for next manager is. Give Keegan the same resources as the rest and I'd back him against just about anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 It's clear to me the Wise role changed/eveloved during KK's tenure. It went from youth prospects and low level transfer stuff to him buying players. Wise himself contradicts himself over a similar period. Either his role was masked or he just developed it with MA's say so. Maybe Ashley was concerned that after he had paid down NUFCs mountain of debt for them, his manager was intent on racking it back up. Maybe KK just displayed a massive lack of realism. Do you think Keegan was correct to have concerns about the size of the squad and its depth? Or do you think Wise and co.'s transfer policy has been vindicated in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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