Tom 14011 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 It's £3.20 a pint in the ground - cut three of them out and you have nearly got £10. That £10 will go a lot further to helping the club if it goes to the NUSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggy99 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 It's £3.20 a pint in the ground - cut three of them out and you have nearly got £10. That £10 will go a lot further to helping the club if it goes to the NUSC. Not everyone that goes to the match buys any food or drink. I would have thought there will be people that may be wanting to join the supporters club that don't go to the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 It's £3.20 a pint in the ground - cut three of them out and you have nearly got £10. That £10 will go a lot further to helping the club if it goes to the NUSC. Not everyone that goes to the match buys any food or drink. I would have thought there will be people that may be wanting to join the supporters club that don't go to the match. Yeah I know. I think at peak there will be well over 300k members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggy99 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Also for the people that do spend money at the match I'm sure they would rather have their 3 pints as they are guarenteed to be getting something from their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Whats a fucking tenner anyway tbh? It's not like they're asking for a hundred quid or some unreasonably large payment that should cause raised eyebrows. A tenner's a fair bit to some people, especially if they're not sure what they're getting for it. I do think it's a little high for now personally, I think a fiver would be easier to get and more people would be prepared to risk that. I don't want to get into a squabble about it, but it seemed a bit high to me and I can afford it. I don't want to be negative though, I think it's a great idea and I fully appreciate people giving up their own time to make it work - even if my offers to do the feem toon were ignored. You could pay 83p a month by direct debit if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 To be honest if people are put off joining because it costs a tenner, then there heart can't be that in it. As Tom says, it's the cost of a few pints, or a couple of packs of cigarettes or whatever. I hardly think a ten pound contribution can be a genuine disincentive to someone who really wants their voice to be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 if you made it free or donation based then you would get a load of makems joining and paying nowt. One of the reasons we found for having it paid is that it will reduce the chances of organised spoils, just think of when Man City had a vote to name their new stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 To be honest if people are put off joining because it costs a tenner, then there heart can't be that in it. As Tom says, it's the cost of a few pints, or a couple of packs of cigarettes or whatever. I hardly think a ten pound contribution can be a genuine disincentive to someone who really wants their voice to be heard. Precisely. It's enough to deter mackems and the like trying to distort polls or votes, but surely having an opinion on your club is worth 20p a week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 just for the record - i fully agree with the idea of a supporters club. Its just i feel the fee is a little high. for example - lets say a total of 2500 people sign up in the first year. thats 2500 multilpied by 10. thats £25000. what if a 5000 sign up in the 2nd year? - thats £50000 what if 10000 sign up in the 3rd year? - thats 100k! Thats a club income of 175k in 3 years. What if 10k people sign up in the first year? We are talking about vast amounts of money here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 if you made it free or donation based then you would get a load of makems joining and paying nowt. One of the reasons we found for having it paid is that it will reduce the chances of organised spoils, just think of when Man City had a vote to name their new stand The Bell end ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 just for the record - i fully agree with the idea of a supporters club. Its just i feel the fee is a little high. for example - lets say a total of 2500 people sign up in the first year. thats 2500 multilpied by 10. thats £25000. what if a 5000 sign up in the 2nd year? - thats £50000 what if 10000 sign up in the 3rd year? - thats 100k! Thats a club income of 175k in 3 years. What if 10k people sign up in the first year? We are talking about vast amounts of money here. It's a large sum, but it's a small contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 a small price to pay in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 (edited) £10 is still fuck all. Though, I would expect them to issue a set of abbreviated accounts to its members to show where the money has gone etc. Or perhaps not to all members, maybe a top tier of members (those who are doing something to help or are giving that bit more (time not just money)). Im all for this, very much so, I just want it to be done right, professionally, and not thrown together and come across childish (which is why I posted the sentence I didnt like above). Edit : Would be good to get a line of communication open with the Chronicle (prob one already), keep them up to date with whats being done, when there are enough funds could stick an advert in to get more members. Id be careful about trying to "get one up" on the club though, despite the current regime. Get supporters to have one voice yes, and get behind the team etc. But be careful about being critical in case facts are wrong and you could end up in bother Edited October 5, 2008 by JawD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 just for the record - i fully agree with the idea of a supporters club. Its just i feel the fee is a little high. for example - lets say a total of 2500 people sign up in the first year. thats 2500 multilpied by 10. thats £25000. what if a 5000 sign up in the 2nd year? - thats £50000 what if 10000 sign up in the 3rd year? - thats 100k! Thats a club income of 175k in 3 years. What if 10k people sign up in the first year? We are talking about vast amounts of money here. So are you saying though, that you dont have enough trust in those running it? (and Im not getting defensive here, Im trying to see where the issue is). £10 is £10 whether you're one of 100 or 50000 you would still be paying the same. The difference in your argument is that the club will have more cash at its disposal. So we can either do more things or have a bigger surplus running over into the following year. I, personally have a thousand and one ideas as to what the money could be used for and what this club can do in the future, I know others on there do too. Add to that the membership when its up and voting and you have an unlimited supply of ideas etc. I do know however that it will not all be used on getting Ashley out by scrawling on bedsheets. All accounts will be fully audited, available for viewing and covered by all of the relevant statutes and rules. We already have accountants and solicitors on the board. The bank account requires 6 signatures on it and a minimum of 2 to move any money out. Its a dedicated account for this type of thing and in a bank that is not going to be affected by the credit crunch. Look at it this way, if you do join up and we fail miserably then all you will have done is made a donation to the SBR appeal. There are only two reasons why people shouldnt join up, 1 they dont believe in what we're doing which is fair enough I have no problem at all with the fact that some people will not want to join. Or 2 you simply cant afford it, but if thats the case then I would urge you to register your support and send an email in explaining why you cant afford it so we can gauge the opinion and levels of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 £10 is still fuck all. Though, I would expect them to issue a set of abbreviated accounts to its members to show where the money has gone etc. Or perhaps not to all members, maybe a top tier of members (those who are doing something to help or are giving that bit more (time not just money)). Im all for this, very much so, I just want it to be done right, professionally, and not thrown together and come across childish (which is why I posted the sentence I didnt like above). Edit : Would be good to get a line of communication open with the Chronicle (prob one already), keep them up to date with whats being done, when there are enough funds could stick an advert in to get more members. Id be careful about trying to "get one up" on the club though, despite the current regime. Get supporters to have one voice yes, and get behind the team etc. But be careful about being critical in case facts are wrong and you could end up in bother John Gibson is involved I believe, so that shouldn't be a problem. The beeb and itv seem to be speaking to NUSC but Sky are still favouring rent-a-mong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 just for the record - i fully agree with the idea of a supporters club. Its just i feel the fee is a little high. for example - lets say a total of 2500 people sign up in the first year. thats 2500 multilpied by 10. thats £25000. what if a 5000 sign up in the 2nd year? - thats £50000 what if 10000 sign up in the 3rd year? - thats 100k! Thats a club income of 175k in 3 years. What if 10k people sign up in the first year? We are talking about vast amounts of money here. So are you saying though, that you dont have enough trust in those running it? (and Im not getting defensive here, Im trying to see where the issue is). £10 is £10 whether you're one of 100 or 50000 you would still be paying the same. The difference in your argument is that the club will have more cash at its disposal. So we can either do more things or have a bigger surplus running over into the following year. I, personally have a thousand and one ideas as to what the money could be used for and what this club can do in the future, I know others on there do too. Add to that the membership when its up and voting and you have an unlimited supply of ideas etc. I do know however that it will not all be used on getting Ashley out by scrawling on bedsheets. All accounts will be fully audited, available for viewing and covered by all of the relevant statutes and rules. We already have accountants and solicitors on the board. The bank account requires 6 signatures on it and a minimum of 2 to move any money out. Its a dedicated account for this type of thing and in a bank that is not going to be affected by the credit crunch. Look at it this way, if you do join up and we fail miserably then all you will have done is made a donation to the SBR appeal. There are only two reasons why people shouldnt join up, 1 they dont believe in what we're doing which is fair enough I have no problem at all with the fact that some people will not want to join. Or 2 you simply cant afford it, but if thats the case then I would urge you to register your support and send an email in explaining why you cant afford it so we can gauge the opinion and levels of the problem. My hesitation is about trust, yes and the (potential) sums involved. for example - is there any dirt the press could dig up about the people running this? like a conviction/caution for theft when they were 14?? basically pud - i would feel a lot better with more info. i appreciate things are still at an early stage and a lot of things wont have even been discussed never mind decided on so ill be hanging back absorbing as much info as possible and will see how things develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Whats a fucking tenner anyway tbh? It's not like they're asking for a hundred quid or some unreasonably large payment that should cause raised eyebrows. Agreed. I'm sure people will be kept informed regarding spending of cash. For me it's simple. It's a small amount of money and the people who I'm giving it to have the best interests of the club at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 just for the record - i fully agree with the idea of a supporters club. Its just i feel the fee is a little high. for example - lets say a total of 2500 people sign up in the first year. thats 2500 multilpied by 10. thats £25000. what if a 5000 sign up in the 2nd year? - thats £50000 what if 10000 sign up in the 3rd year? - thats 100k! Thats a club income of 175k in 3 years. What if 10k people sign up in the first year? We are talking about vast amounts of money here. It's a large sum, but it's a small contribution. I personally hope we get to half a million and become a force that is heard across the media spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 just for the record - i fully agree with the idea of a supporters club. Its just i feel the fee is a little high. for example - lets say a total of 2500 people sign up in the first year. thats 2500 multilpied by 10. thats £25000. what if a 5000 sign up in the 2nd year? - thats £50000 what if 10000 sign up in the 3rd year? - thats 100k! Thats a club income of 175k in 3 years. What if 10k people sign up in the first year? We are talking about vast amounts of money here. So are you saying though, that you dont have enough trust in those running it? (and Im not getting defensive here, Im trying to see where the issue is). £10 is £10 whether you're one of 100 or 50000 you would still be paying the same. The difference in your argument is that the club will have more cash at its disposal. So we can either do more things or have a bigger surplus running over into the following year. I, personally have a thousand and one ideas as to what the money could be used for and what this club can do in the future, I know others on there do too. Add to that the membership when its up and voting and you have an unlimited supply of ideas etc. I do know however that it will not all be used on getting Ashley out by scrawling on bedsheets. All accounts will be fully audited, available for viewing and covered by all of the relevant statutes and rules. We already have accountants and solicitors on the board. The bank account requires 6 signatures on it and a minimum of 2 to move any money out. Its a dedicated account for this type of thing and in a bank that is not going to be affected by the credit crunch. Look at it this way, if you do join up and we fail miserably then all you will have done is made a donation to the SBR appeal. There are only two reasons why people shouldnt join up, 1 they dont believe in what we're doing which is fair enough I have no problem at all with the fact that some people will not want to join. Or 2 you simply cant afford it, but if thats the case then I would urge you to register your support and send an email in explaining why you cant afford it so we can gauge the opinion and levels of the problem. My hesitation is about trust, yes and the (potential) sums involved. for example - is there any dirt the press could dig up about the people running this? like a conviction/caution for theft when they were 14?? basically pud - i would feel a lot better with more info. i appreciate things are still at an early stage and a lot of things wont have even been discussed never mind decided on so ill be hanging back absorbing as much info as possible and will see how things develop. Why start looking for negatives even before it's started? I find that a bit strange with all due respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 £10 isn't that much. If you can't scrape that together you probably don't have enough money to be of consequence to the club anyway. that makes you sound a right arsehole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Maybe i am being a bit too negative but were all sick of the rent-a-mongs making us look stupid. were all sick of the club being dragged through the mud making us look stupid. the last thing i would want is a scandal within the supporters club that also makes us look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Maybe i am being a bit too negative but were all sick of the rent-a-mongs making us look stupid. were all sick of the club being dragged through the mud making us look stupid. the last thing i would want is a scandal within the supporters club that also makes us look stupid. Tbh once the Spanish Villa is sorted we'll get you out for a weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 just for the record - i fully agree with the idea of a supporters club. Its just i feel the fee is a little high. for example - lets say a total of 2500 people sign up in the first year. thats 2500 multilpied by 10. thats £25000. what if a 5000 sign up in the 2nd year? - thats £50000 what if 10000 sign up in the 3rd year? - thats 100k! Thats a club income of 175k in 3 years. What if 10k people sign up in the first year? We are talking about vast amounts of money here. It's a large sum, but it's a small contribution. I personally hope we get to half a million and become a force that is heard across the media spectrum. Too right. Hopefully this body will have the strength, both in funds and in numbers to truly have a say in matters at the club. It won't be the Poo-Flinging, Tyre Swinging Primates from Sky Sports, frothing their inconsequential rage; it'll be a considered and reasoned argument from people who have their eyes open to the short and long term issues at Newcastle United. With sufficient finance we can place ads, we can donate to charities, deliver the the masses a better insight than we/they get from the media, employ legal assistance and, perhaps most importantly, we'll be impossible to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Maybe i am being a bit too negative but were all sick of the rent-a-mongs making us look stupid. were all sick of the club being dragged through the mud making us look stupid. the last thing i would want is a scandal within the supporters club that also makes us look stupid. Tbh once the Spanish Villa is sorted we'll get you out for a weekend. Cheques in the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44891 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Maybe i am being a bit too negative but were all sick of the rent-a-mongs making us look stupid. were all sick of the club being dragged through the mud making us look stupid. the last thing i would want is a scandal within the supporters club that also makes us look stupid. Blatantly referring to peasepud's peeping tom issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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