Is no-one else considering Keegan might be to blame?

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He blocked Smith's move to everton on deadline day too.

 

Anyway, i cant be arsed with all this blamestorming, all over both the forums i use there are people calling Ashley a fat cunt and he should leave. 90% of them were calling Shepherd a fat cunt and saying he should leave about 18 months ago.

 

When things dont go exactly the way the fans want them too, there will always be a fat cunt that should leave immediately.

 

Telling.

 

The big difference is Keegan was doing a good job (has anyone else since Robson was undermined and jettisoned?).

 

And that who in their right mind is going to take this job after seeing what happened to Fat Sam and especially Keegan?

 

There's no happy ending here, just more of the same sooner or later.

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I've been as bitter at the owner(s) as anyone over the last few days, but I think that's been a knee-jerk reaction.

 

It's been like when your dad walks out on your mam and you blame her for it. What she's done to drive him away? He's the one that played all the best games, kept you entertained and was stronger than your mates dad. She's just a boring old witch that does the cooking and cleaning and sends you to bed early. She's all about discipline and he's all about fun.

 

I love Keegan, but is no-one angry at HIM? How deluded did we have to be to convince ourselves he wouldn't do what he ALWAYS does? EVERYBODY told us so. This club has now gone through 5 managers in 4 years, and each one (before Keegan) was given carte blanche to spend what they wanted on who they wanted. It was an expensive system that brought no success and year upon year knocked us back to square one, as managers insisted they needed to undo the previous managers failures and start again with a clean cheque book.

 

Freddy Shepherd didn't learn from it, he was doomed to repeat the mistakes of his past over and over, the new boys however were bitten once by Allardyce and they aren't going to let that happen again no matter how many dole scum turn up to drink Lambrusco outside the ticket office.

 

They've set in place a long term vision to ensure we secure the best young talent from around the globe, irrespective of the man in charge. Clearly the manager does have input otherwise Keegan wouldn't have been here for 8 months, but it's a give and take process. Even if he is having players forced upon him, he can let them rot in the reserves if he doesn't like them, can't he?

 

Keegan was only commited to the club for two and a half more years. Should the entire structure of the club, agreed by him, have been torn down to suit his short term demands, given that it was a structure he'd agreed to and worked within happily so far.

 

Keegan is an intelligent man, and brilliant manager for this club, but has Mr Newcastle been to watch a game at St James in his whole life if he wasn't being paid? He's a man that understands the Geordie passion and has used it to his full advantage in the past, he's a man who's banked on it saving his skin again this time, but he's come up against more strong willed, ruthless businessmen who will not be dictated to by their employee if it jeopardises the long term success of their business model.

 

Now we are left with our lone parent on the lookout for a new boyfriend we can live with. We'll throw our toys out of the pram when he arrives, and make life difficult for all concerned. When he get's hoyed out we'll be pleased that we were right all along, even though we're only dragging out the hurt for all concerned, and one day we'll grow up and hope for the best for our mam, and accept another good man to take our dad's place.

 

Right, that's the end of my analogies, tin hat on.

 

Nice to know there used to be perspective on here.

 

 

Goes to show how open minded I was at the time.

 

...and highlights just how wrong Llambias is when he says it's all just pent up negativity about what happened back then.

 

Have you seen my blog (it's in my sig). For someone who was so fair to them at the height of the "cockney mafia out" protests to be so opposed to them now illustrates the catalogue of errors they've made even after Keegan left.

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I've been as bitter at the owner(s) as anyone over the last few days, but I think that's been a knee-jerk reaction.

 

It's been like when your dad walks out on your mam and you blame her for it. What she's done to drive him away? He's the one that played all the best games, kept you entertained and was stronger than your mates dad. She's just a boring old witch that does the cooking and cleaning and sends you to bed early. She's all about discipline and he's all about fun.

 

I love Keegan, but is no-one angry at HIM? How deluded did we have to be to convince ourselves he wouldn't do what he ALWAYS does? EVERYBODY told us so. This club has now gone through 5 managers in 4 years, and each one (before Keegan) was given carte blanche to spend what they wanted on who they wanted. It was an expensive system that brought no success and year upon year knocked us back to square one, as managers insisted they needed to undo the previous managers failures and start again with a clean cheque book.

 

Freddy Shepherd didn't learn from it, he was doomed to repeat the mistakes of his past over and over, the new boys however were bitten once by Allardyce and they aren't going to let that happen again no matter how many dole scum turn up to drink Lambrusco outside the ticket office.

 

They've set in place a long term vision to ensure we secure the best young talent from around the globe, irrespective of the man in charge. Clearly the manager does have input otherwise Keegan wouldn't have been here for 8 months, but it's a give and take process. Even if he is having players forced upon him, he can let them rot in the reserves if he doesn't like them, can't he?

 

Keegan was only commited to the club for two and a half more years. Should the entire structure of the club, agreed by him, have been torn down to suit his short term demands, given that it was a structure he'd agreed to and worked within happily so far.

 

Keegan is an intelligent man, and brilliant manager for this club, but has Mr Newcastle been to watch a game at St James in his whole life if he wasn't being paid? He's a man that understands the Geordie passion and has used it to his full advantage in the past, he's a man who's banked on it saving his skin again this time, but he's come up against more strong willed, ruthless businessmen who will not be dictated to by their employee if it jeopardises the long term success of their business model.

 

Now we are left with our lone parent on the lookout for a new boyfriend we can live with. We'll throw our toys out of the pram when he arrives, and make life difficult for all concerned. When he get's hoyed out we'll be pleased that we were right all along, even though we're only dragging out the hurt for all concerned, and one day we'll grow up and hope for the best for our mam, and accept another good man to take our dad's place.

 

Right, that's the end of my analogies, tin hat on.

 

Nice to know there used to be perspective on here.

 

 

Goes to show how open minded I was at the time.

 

...and highlights just how wrong Llambias is when he says it's all just pent up negativity about what happened back then.

 

Have you seen my blog (it's in my sig). For someone who was so fair to them at the height of the "cockney mafia out" protests to be so opposed to them now illustrates the catalogue of errors they've made even after Keegan left.

Illustrates the stupidity of anyone who doesn't realise where the blame is at this stage too

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He blocked Smith's move to everton on deadline day too.

 

Anyway, i cant be arsed with all this blamestorming, all over both the forums i use there are people calling Ashley a fat cunt and he should leave. 90% of them were calling Shepherd a fat cunt and saying he should leave about 18 months ago.

 

When things dont go exactly the way the fans want them too, there will always be a fat cunt that should leave immediately.

 

Telling.

 

The big difference is Keegan was doing a good job (has anyone else since Robson was undermined and jettisoned?).

 

And that who in their right mind is going to take this job after seeing what happened to Fat Sam and especially Keegan?

 

There's no happy ending here, just more of the same sooner or later.

 

 

 

 

Do you think the "fat cunt" staying has been good for the club then?

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The structure isn't the problem, it's the personnel. And by that I mean Wise.

 

while I don't like the DOF system for reasons I've stated before, or grand plans etc, the personnel is by far the one thing that counts the most.

 

I had this argument numerous times with baggy when he was spouting his bollocks.

 

The good manager who knows what he is doing [and backed as best as possible by his board] is all the plan you need, and the rest of the personnel are just part of his team.

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I've been as bitter at the owner(s) as anyone over the last few days, but I think that's been a knee-jerk reaction.

 

It's been like when your dad walks out on your mam and you blame her for it. What she's done to drive him away? He's the one that played all the best games, kept you entertained and was stronger than your mates dad. She's just a boring old witch that does the cooking and cleaning and sends you to bed early. She's all about discipline and he's all about fun.

 

I love Keegan, but is no-one angry at HIM? How deluded did we have to be to convince ourselves he wouldn't do what he ALWAYS does? EVERYBODY told us so. This club has now gone through 5 managers in 4 years, and each one (before Keegan) was given carte blanche to spend what they wanted on who they wanted. It was an expensive system that brought no success and year upon year knocked us back to square one, as managers insisted they needed to undo the previous managers failures and start again with a clean cheque book.

 

Freddy Shepherd didn't learn from it, he was doomed to repeat the mistakes of his past over and over, the new boys however were bitten once by Allardyce and they aren't going to let that happen again no matter how many dole scum turn up to drink Lambrusco outside the ticket office.

 

They've set in place a long term vision to ensure we secure the best young talent from around the globe, irrespective of the man in charge. Clearly the manager does have input otherwise Keegan wouldn't have been here for 8 months, but it's a give and take process. Even if he is having players forced upon him, he can let them rot in the reserves if he doesn't like them, can't he?

 

Keegan was only commited to the club for two and a half more years. Should the entire structure of the club, agreed by him, have been torn down to suit his short term demands, given that it was a structure he'd agreed to and worked within happily so far.

 

Keegan is an intelligent man, and brilliant manager for this club, but has Mr Newcastle been to watch a game at St James in his whole life if he wasn't being paid? He's a man that understands the Geordie passion and has used it to his full advantage in the past, he's a man who's banked on it saving his skin again this time, but he's come up against more strong willed, ruthless businessmen who will not be dictated to by their employee if it jeopardises the long term success of their business model.

 

Now we are left with our lone parent on the lookout for a new boyfriend we can live with. We'll throw our toys out of the pram when he arrives, and make life difficult for all concerned. When he get's hoyed out we'll be pleased that we were right all along, even though we're only dragging out the hurt for all concerned, and one day we'll grow up and hope for the best for our mam, and accept another good man to take our dad's place.

 

Right, that's the end of my analogies, tin hat on.

what has Shepherd got to do with it ? How do you know he wasn't prepared to learn from mistakes ? I think that the first couple of years of Bobby Robson where spending was low, and the appointment of Allardyce is all the proof you need that he knew when it was time to re-group and tighten up before launching another bid for success.

 

I wouldn't argue with this strategy in running the club either.

 

Edit. Oh, and no, I wouldn't blame Keegan in the slightest. I think any manager who isn't given the tools to do his job with reasonable limits has every right to kick up a fuss, better that anyday than someone content with mediocrity [are you listening Ashley because that is the major difference between you and Shepherd and the Halls]

Edited March 3, 2009 by LeazesMag

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The structure isn't the problem, it's the personnel. And by that I mean Wise.

 

while I don't like the DOF system for reasons I've stated before, or grand plans etc, the personnel is by far the one thing that counts the most.

 

I had this argument numerous times with baggy when he was spouting his bollocks.

 

The good manager who knows what he is doing [and backed as best as possible by his board] is all the plan you need, and the rest of the personnel are just part of his team.

Same here. It's not the main problem however. In fact, if you have the structure we have (ignoring other things for a second) KK is a daft appointment too.

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The structure isn't the problem, it's the personnel. And by that I mean Wise.

 

while I don't like the DOF system for reasons I've stated before, or grand plans etc, the personnel is by far the one thing that counts the most.

 

I had this argument numerous times with baggy when he was spouting his bollocks.

 

The good manager who knows what he is doing [and backed as best as possible by his board] is all the plan you need, and the rest of the personnel are just part of his team.

Same here. It's not the main problem however. In fact, if you have the structure we have (ignoring other things for a second) KK is a daft appointment too.

 

I understand that the DOF system can work - and I don't mean abroad because if most clubs use it then of course somebody has to be successful - but if you take player recruitment to be the key, then even the best managers will struggle with a DOF who recruits the wrong players. It puts the DOF in the prime position, and for me if player recruitment is poor then the person with that responsibilty has to carry the can. Why do you keep faith with someone who has a bad record of recruitment ? Lunacy, if you ask me.

 

Nothing can work, just because of the "system". Its a daft idea.

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Aye, all I meant was, to clarify, is that if the system of Manager - DoF - Chairmen is put in place, then the personnel - KK, Wise and Llambias were all wrong for that. KK because he likes to run the show (as well as taking away one of his big strengths - identifying talent / the right player for a role in his side). The other two require no explanation other than that Wise and Keegan didn't have a relationship in the first place and they didn't get on well at all when they did start working together. More lunacy from the person making the appointments. Then the one bloke who did seem to be able to broker a peace (Mort) was replaced by that little spiv.