Park Life 71 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Why is it that Ashleys getting the brunt of the abuse here? You answer that question yourself - he's where the buck stops as far as idiotic executive appointments are concerned. Beat me to it. He created this situation and he did it within a fortnight of bringing KK back to the club. And it was calculated. Calculated to do what though? Undermine the man he'd just appointed? I think it's more a case of Ashley being clueless about running a football club, about KK and about NUFC. I don't think he is totally clueless about running the club. As others have said it, he just got it totally wrong by appointing the wrong people (bar Keegan). The structure isn't bad per se. It would be alright if the people were working within the limits they allegedly were supposed to do according to the job description for the public. For example, it isn't that bad to relieve the manager (Keegan) from some business duties as long as he has the final say on matters like transfers and contract within the financial limits. Ashley probably isn't lying when he says that he bought the club to enjoy it as a football fan. It is his weekend plaything. That's why he isn't directly involved in the daily running of it and concentrating on his other business stuff. Shame that he unlike Abramowitch couldn't appoint the right people. He has no Peter Kenyon with vast experience who he can rely to. He has Labiarse. Wise isn't used to his role either. That's why those probably thought without Ashley running the club himself they can do things as they want to and gradually pushing Keegan out of things. It's just guesswork from, but if things are like this then the situation would easily resolved by getting rid of those who aren't up to their job and appoint people who have a clue and are actually caring (like in the past). The latter is probably a problem as well. I can't see for example Wise and Labiarse working on things with a fraction of enthusiasm like Shepherd did. Fair post. The golden rule of a fan driven business is that the key task everyday is to make sure your prime asset (and link with the fans) is happy, feels wanted and is engaged. Ashley for me is a total amateur at the football game and as indicated above hasn't for whatever reason hired the right people to address the day to day running of the club, if anything he's just hired his mates. It's basically incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2204 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Why is it that Ashleys getting the brunt of the abuse here? You answer that question yourself - he's where the buck stops as far as idiotic executive appointments are concerned. Beat me to it. He created this situation and he did it within a fortnight of bringing KK back to the club. And it was calculated. Calculated to do what though? Undermine the man he'd just appointed? I think it's more a case of Ashley being clueless about running a football club, about KK and about NUFC. I don't think he is totally clueless about running the club. As others have said it, he just got it totally wrong by appointing the wrong people (bar Keegan). The structure isn't bad per se. It would be alright if the people were working within the limits they allegedly were supposed to do according to the job description for the public. For example, it isn't that bad to relieve the manager (Keegan) from some business duties as long as he has the final say on matters like transfers and contract within the financial limits. Ashley probably isn't lying when he says that he bought the club to enjoy it as a football fan. It is his weekend plaything. That's why he isn't directly involved in the daily running of it and concentrating on his other business stuff. Shame that he unlike Abramowitch couldn't appoint the right people. He has no Peter Kenyon with vast experience who he can rely to. He has Labiarse. Wise isn't used to his role either. That's why those probably thought without Ashley running the club himself they can do things as they want to and gradually pushing Keegan out of things. It's just guesswork from, but if things are like this then the situation would easily resolved by getting rid of those who aren't up to their job and appoint people who have a clue and are actually caring (like in the past). The latter is probably a problem as well. I can't see for example Wise and Labiarse working on things with a fraction of enthusiasm like Shepherd did. Fair post. The golden rule of a fan driven business is that the key task everyday is to make sure your prime asset (and link with the fans) is happy, feels wanted and is engaged. Ashley for me is a total amateur at the football game and as indicated above hasn't for whatever reason hired the right people to address the day to day running of the club, if anything he's just hired his mates. It's basically incompetence. You have to wonder what preparation running a casino gives you for running NUFC. I know Mort didn't have any footballing experience either but he came across as mega-able. LLambias looks like an Arthur Daley type to me. Which makes Dennis Wise a Dennis Waterman substitute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Ashley didnt design the structure, Mort did. Ashley only got properly involved after Keegan made his comments after the Chelsea match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30175 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley's mate Kemsley had an influence on the structure and who was in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley's mate Kemsley had an influence on the structure and who was in it. My thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44185 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Why is it that Ashleys getting the brunt of the abuse here? You answer that question yourself - he's where the buck stops as far as idiotic executive appointments are concerned. Beat me to it. He created this situation and he did it within a fortnight of bringing KK back to the club. And it was calculated. Calculated to do what though? Undermine the man he'd just appointed? I think it's more a case of Ashley being clueless about running a football club, about KK and about NUFC. I don't think he is totally clueless about running the club. As others have said it, he just got it totally wrong by appointing the wrong people (bar Keegan). The structure isn't bad per se. It would be alright if the people were working within the limits they allegedly were supposed to do according to the job description for the public. For example, it isn't that bad to relieve the manager (Keegan) from some business duties as long as he has the final say on matters like transfers and contract within the financial limits. Ashley probably isn't lying when he says that he bought the club to enjoy it as a football fan. It is his weekend plaything. That's why he isn't directly involved in the daily running of it and concentrating on his other business stuff. Shame that he unlike Abramowitch couldn't appoint the right people. He has no Peter Kenyon with vast experience who he can rely to. He has Labiarse. Wise isn't used to his role either. That's why those probably thought without Ashley running the club himself they can do things as they want to and gradually pushing Keegan out of things. It's just guesswork from, but if things are like this then the situation would easily resolved by getting rid of those who aren't up to their job and appoint people who have a clue and are actually caring (like in the past). The latter is probably a problem as well. I can't see for example Wise and Labiarse working on things with a fraction of enthusiasm like Shepherd did. Fair post. The golden rule of a fan driven business is that the key task everyday is to make sure your prime asset (and link with the fans) is happy, feels wanted and is engaged. Ashley for me is a total amateur at the football game and as indicated above hasn't for whatever reason hired the right people to address the day to day running of the club, if anything he's just hired his mates. It's basically incompetence. You have to wonder what preparation running a casino gives you for running NUFC. I know Mort didn't have any footballing experience either but he came across as mega-able. LLambias looks like an Arthur Daley type to me. Which makes Dennis Wise a Dennis Waterman substitute Aye mort is an intelligent educated man who has risen to partner at a big law firm. Llambias is a glorified nightclub owner. We should have all been a lot more concerned than we were when he was appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley's mate Kemsley had an influence on the structure and who was in it. My thoughts exactly. Could be but what is unarguable is that Mort was the one who implemented it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1203 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Why is it that Ashleys getting the brunt of the abuse here? You answer that question yourself - he's where the buck stops as far as idiotic executive appointments are concerned. Beat me to it. He created this situation and he did it within a fortnight of bringing KK back to the club. And it was calculated. Calculated to do what though? Undermine the man he'd just appointed? I think it's more a case of Ashley being clueless about running a football club, about KK and about NUFC. I don't think he is totally clueless about running the club. As others have said it, he just got it totally wrong by appointing the wrong people (bar Keegan). The structure isn't bad per se. It would be alright if the people were working within the limits they allegedly were supposed to do according to the job description for the public. For example, it isn't that bad to relieve the manager (Keegan) from some business duties as long as he has the final say on matters like transfers and contract within the financial limits. Ashley probably isn't lying when he says that he bought the club to enjoy it as a football fan. It is his weekend plaything. That's why he isn't directly involved in the daily running of it and concentrating on his other business stuff. Shame that he unlike Abramowitch couldn't appoint the right people. He has no Peter Kenyon with vast experience who he can rely to. He has Labiarse. Wise isn't used to his role either. That's why those probably thought without Ashley running the club himself they can do things as they want to and gradually pushing Keegan out of things. It's just guesswork from, but if things are like this then the situation would easily resolved by getting rid of those who aren't up to their job and appoint people who have a clue and are actually caring (like in the past). The latter is probably a problem as well. I can't see for example Wise and Labiarse working on things with a fraction of enthusiasm like Shepherd did. Fair post. The golden rule of a fan driven business is that the key task everyday is to make sure your prime asset (and link with the fans) is happy, feels wanted and is engaged. Ashley for me is a total amateur at the football game and as indicated above hasn't for whatever reason hired the right people to address the day to day running of the club, if anything he's just hired his mates. It's basically incompetence. You have to wonder what preparation running a casino gives you for running NUFC. I know Mort didn't have any footballing experience either but he came across as mega-able. LLambias looks like an Arthur Daley type to me. Which makes Dennis Wise a Dennis Waterman substitute Aye mort is an intelligent educated man who has risen to partner at a big law firm. Llambias is a glorified nightclub owner. We should have all been a lot more concerned than we were when he was appointed. I think we underestimated Morts role though, and were satisfied that the harmony in the clubh was the Ashley factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9694 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley's mate Kemsley had an influence on the structure and who was in it. My thoughts exactly. Could be but what is unarguable is that Mort was the one who implemented it. Which still makes him (and Keegan) Ashley's only sensible appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30175 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley's mate Kemsley had an influence on the structure and who was in it. My thoughts exactly. Could be but what is unarguable is that Mort was the one who implemented it. And possibly the man who made it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley's mate Kemsley had an influence on the structure and who was in it. My thoughts exactly. Could be but what is unarguable is that Mort was the one who implemented it. And possibly the man who made it work. It does appear that way, it was him who kept the pieces in order by the looks of things. Then again, he did get out before the transfer window opened so it was just first team matters at issue when him and Keegan were together at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4358 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley's mate Kemsley had an influence on the structure and who was in it. My thoughts exactly. Could be but what is unarguable is that Mort was the one who implemented it. And possibly the man who made it work. It does appear that way, it was him who kept the pieces in order by the looks of things. Then again, he did get out before the transfer window opened so it was just first team matters at issue when him and Keegan were together at the club. That's the thing though - it was obviously decided not to bother in Jamuary so this summer was its first use/operation/test. A lad I work with was saying Keegan shouldn't have accepted the structure but being told when Wise joined how it was going to work and how it turned out is two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Does anyone know if Keegan has took training today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I'll just text him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 Does anyone know if Keegan has took training today? According to SSN, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Does anyone know if Keegan has took training today? I'm guessing not, otherwise we'd have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassplayerjj 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 arn't most people on international duty yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Not that I like the twat or anything but he isn't actually urging Keegan to leave, is he? Not at all... How many of us on here have had admiration for Curbishley for standing by his principles and walking out on West Ham for what is scarily similar to what is happen at our club. I can't stand the cockney tosser but I even have admiration for Redknapp for effectively telling West Ham to 'fuck off' if they think he's going to walk into that carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 arn't most people on international duty yet? wat a newcastle!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19840 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 So whats gone on today, my head is still hurting from Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 While billionaire sports retail magnate Ashley was abroad on business, Keegan and Llambias were locked in talks at a secret location, believed to be in Manchester, but the situation was not expected to be resolved immediately. . wonder if mikes in india? So whats gone on today, my head is still hurting from Monday no news yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 So whats gone on today, my head is still hurting from Monday I think they're hoping everyone will forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 So whats gone on today, my head is still hurting from Monday I think they're hoping everyone will forget about it. Forget about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19840 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 So whats gone on today, my head is still hurting from Monday I think they're hoping everyone will forget about it. Forget about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I'll just text him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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