Happy Face 29 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 If Keegan isn't going to take training I hope he's rang each and every player to explain what's going on. Except Ameobi or Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWillyWilson 0 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Is there seriously gonna be anyway back for Ashley after this? Whether KK stays or not..... And do you think he gives a toss what the fans think?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Is there seriously gonna be anyway back for Ashley after this? Whether KK stays or not..... And do you think he gives a toss what the fans think?? Why do you think Keegan got the job in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 0 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I want KK to go back to you now. DW may come after GP and with KKs relationship with MA on the rocks I reckon it might disrupt you. So come on KK, the fans love you! why do you post on here? I am secretly attracted to Tom. You're not the only one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWillyWilson 0 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Is there seriously gonna be anyway back for Ashley after this? Whether KK stays or not..... And do you think he gives a toss what the fans think?? Why do you think Keegan got the job in the first place? Maybe I put it across wrong. Obviously you would think he brought KK in as he realised what he means up here and the effect it would have; though the cynicals would say that it was a clever ploy to flog some merchandise, season tickets and generally make the club a more attractive proposition should he come to sell (if indeed wants to sell but thats another thread!). I would hope it is the first line of thought though... Im just wondering that If Keegan goes (god forbid) then the feelings of hate towards him are immense and I wonder how he would react.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3909 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Show of hands Who thinks KK has gone? Despote the statements which dont say a great deal or anything. *shows hands* Not sure he has now. Still don't think this will be resolved in the long run though. It's a complete fucking mess. Also, if the results aren't great (because let's face it, the squad isn't anything special) and we have a bad run the media will heap pressure upon KK regardless of the backing of the fans. Any little thing now will be blown up into a massive dispute etc. It doesn't look good either way. I still think he is gone, but I think if he stays there will be big chnages to prevent a reoccurence. I wouldnt think for a second Ashley or Keegan would let this happen again. Having typed that I realise the chanes of Keegan staying are even less than I thought If the problems are around the structure of the club there is no chance of Keegan staying, simply because they were put in place for continuitity from one manager to the next. If it's down to who has final say there could be some movement. I was thinking more of changes to personel than structure, though I agree that KK would plainly need to excersise greater influence on decisions. I dont think the structure is all bad by the way Wise leaving would fit the bill imo. The latest rumour about him sacked has given me some hope - just building me up for more disapointment no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Is there seriously gonna be anyway back for Ashley after this? Whether KK stays or not..... And do you think he gives a toss what the fans think?? Why do you think Keegan got the job in the first place? Maybe I put it across wrong. Obviously you would think he brought KK in as he realised what he means up here and the effect it would have; though the cynicals would say that it was a clever ploy to flog some merchandise, season tickets and generally make the club a more attractive proposition should he come to sell (if indeed wants to sell but thats another thread!). I would hope it is the first line of thought though... Im just wondering that If Keegan goes (god forbid) then the feelings of hate towards him are immense and I wonder how he would react.... He'll off like a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Anyone think the keegan will be taking training tomorrow? I do No chance in hell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louis toon 0 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 if we're very lucky we'll get out of this with both ashley and keegan at the club. if one goes, i wont be so optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggy99 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 if we're very lucky we'll get out of this with both ashley and keegan at the club. if one goes, i wont be so optimistic. dont care about ashley, just want to keep keegan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1217 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 if we're very lucky we'll get out of this with both ashley and keegan at the club. if one goes, i wont be so optimistic. dont care about ashley, just want to keep keegan Tbh if Ashley goes I don't see it as a problem at all. Whoever comes in would have to have some serious cash just to buy the club in the first place. Ashley's hardly splashed out loads of money on the team but by removing most of the debt he has made us much more self sufficient. So even if we don't get a new owner who can make £100m + bids in one day we shouldn't be any worse off than what we've managed this summer. We aren't in danger of doing a Leeds anymore. We would be much worse off if Keegan goes as it's likely that Wise would be in charge and given his complete lack of support from the fans (and apparently the players) that can only be a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19840 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The lads obviously an idiot he spells 'Source' Sauce..... Do you stick HP source in your bacon bap like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The BBC are reporting that if KK goes there'll be a player revolt lead by Michale Owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1217 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The most worrying thing in all of this is the potential reaction of the players. We could well be left with a team bereft of any motivation to play for the club until they all hand in the inevitable transfer request come January. Which leaves us with absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The BBC are reporting that if KK goes there'll be a player revolt lead by Michale Owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The most worrying thing in all of this is the potential reaction of the players. We could well be left with a team bereft of any motivation to play for the club until they all hand in the inevitable transfer request come January. Which leaves us with absolutely nothing. Can't be good for moral, especially the current limbo. If Keegan goes I can't see who they are going to bring in, and frankly what respect they'll get as everyone will (rightly I guess) think they might not be here at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2930 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 The meetings that will determine Kevin Keegan’s future at Newcastle should be used to resolve the issues that have festered for months, argues Mark Douglas AFTER the ferocious whirl of claim and counter-claim that battered Tyneside on Tuesday, relative calm descended on St James’s Park yesterday. The fear for Newcastle United supporters is that it is merely the eye of the storm, and the winds of change will return to sweep Kevin Keegan away from the club forever. First, the bare facts communicated by a sparse club statement on Wednesday morning. Away from the febrile atmosphere in Newcastle the important business is taking place as Keegan, along with representatives from the League Managers’ Association, thrashes out his future with a delegation from the club thought to include chairman Derek Llambias and executive director (football) Dennis Wise. Keegan is still manager and has neither resigned nor been sacked, but it remains to be seen whether a couple of days of talks can hammer out a solution to problems that have been smoldering for almost six months. The very fact that meetings between Keegan and the board have taken place offers a glimmer of light that Newcastle’s iconic manager may yet resume his day-to-day duties. But it remains improbable that all of the key power brokers at St James’s Park will survive the week, and even less likely that Keegan will stay at the club if he is asked to work in the same structure, and with the same responsibilities, that he currently holds. Negotiating a new way forward that satisfies all parties would be a masterstroke of diplomacy for the meeting’s mediators, and it requires issues that have been allowed to linger for too long to be finally tackled head on. The top agenda item to be resolved is the working relationship between chairman Derek Llambias and the Newcastle manager, which has deteriorated to the point where Keegan walked away from the club on Monday morning. There are doubts about whether the two can repair a relationship that is one of the most crucial in the set-up devised by owner Mike Ashley to run the club. Keegan feels as if he was sidelined in the days leading up to Monday’s disappointing deadline day, and his advice was ignored on the crucial issue of the sale of James Milner to Aston Villa. While his relationship with Llambias has become fractious, Keegan gets on well with Ashley and speaks highly of the owner both in public and in private. There have been disagreements between the two men but there is a mutual respect that was evident when Ashley personally intervened to bring the manager back from the brink on Tuesday afternoon. It may be the owner who holds the key to repairing the relationship between Keegan and former casino boss Llambias, who took over from chairman Chris Mort in July under the title managing director. Keegan’s next priority is to gain more influence on transfers, an area in which his authority has been severely eroded in the past six months. He will argue that, after the club’s under-whelming performance in the transfer market, he deserves a more prominent role if he is to see the club through the January window. To divorce him from the recruitment process appears a shameful waste of Keegan’s powers of persuasion. He was, after all, the man who convinced Alan Shearer to snub Manchester United and join his hometown club, and even if some of the fire in his eyes has dimmed lately he remains, on his day, a truly inspirational orator. An interesting insight was recently offered by a third party close to Milner, who revealed the extent of the division between Wise and the manager. There are, he confirmed, two distinct camps at Newcastle United and disagreement between the two paved the way for Milner’s eventual departure. Keegan had told the England Under-21 forward that he would support his case for a new deal, only for Wise to turn down two approaches by the Milner camp to discuss one. The arrival of Spain Under-21 international Xisco from Deportivo La Coruña and Uruguay midfielder Ignacio Gonzalez from Valencia on transfer deadline day also had the fingerprints of Wise and head of recruitment Tony Jimenez. Keegan’s distance from transfer dealings is a situation that can not be allowed to go on. It is not Wise, after all, who will have to front up to the media and supporters if Xisco turns out to be the next Albert Luque and Newcastle flounder without the graft of Milner. The Newcastle manager must cast an envious glance towards Wearside, where his Sunderland counterpart Roy Keane speaks in glowing terms of the backing he has received in the transfer market this summer. Although chief executive Peter Walker and chairman Niall Quinn are in place to negotiate the deals, it is the Black Cats manager who wields the majority of the power. He pulled the plug on a deal for Romanian defender Dorin Goian because he believed his club were asking too much money, and it is his gut feeling when meeting a player that influences a decision on whether to proceed with the transfer. Looking at the summer dealings of the two clubs, it is the Sunderland model that appears to have proved more successful. So Keegan has concrete evidence to back up the demands he has made of the Newcastle board. It may not be enough to broker a longer-lasting peace treaty from the uneasy truce that was reached on Tuesday, however. Because whatever the minutiae of the meeting it really all boils down to how much – if at all – the board value the judgement of their manager. If Ashley – and it is his club and not Llambias’ or Wise’s – believes that Keegan can advance United’s cause, he must hand him increased powers with immediate effect. The manager should have a final veto over comings and goings, and it must be his counsel that is sought over the burning issue of new contracts for Michael Owen and Steve Harper. If not, the only way forward is for the two parties to find an amicable way of parting company. A compromise that ignores or fails to resolve any of the big issues that hang heavily over St James’s Park this morning would merely be delaying the inevitable. journal live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I think he wil stay and ashely will go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I think he wil stay and ashely will go The only way Ashley will go is if someone comes along and gives him a hefty profit on his investment, and that's unlikely to happen. Jonny why have you not put your new Keegan compilation up you made yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2930 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Jonny why have you not put your new Keegan compilation up you made yesterday? http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?showtopic=20831 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I think he wil stay and ashely will go The only way Ashley will go is if someone comes along and gives him a hefty profit on his investment, and that's unlikely to happen. Jonny why have you not put your new Keegan compilation up you made yesterday? hopefully someone will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 An interesting insight was recently offered by a third party close to Milner, who revealed the extent of the division between Wise and the manager. There are, he confirmed, two distinct camps at Newcastle United and disagreement between the two paved the way for Milner’s eventual departure.Keegan had told the England Under-21 forward that he would support his case for a new deal, only for Wise to turn down two approaches by the Milner camp to discuss one. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Why is it that Ashleys getting the brunt of the abuse here? Its definitely starting to appear that the problem isnt him its Lambrini or whatever hes called along with Wise. We always knew Wise was dwarf twat now its just been confirmed. Ashley needs to stay (unless some sheik wanders in to have a play) along with Keegan. However big Mike needs to see that his "dream team" of his business mates and drinking pals doesnt make a good football business and get rid brining in someone with experience and a knowledge of the game or ideally bring Mort back, that bloke didnt appear to put a foot wrong in his time here and knew how to deal with people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15354 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Why is it that Ashleys getting the brunt of the abuse here? You answer that question yourself - he's where the buck stops as far as idiotic executive appointments are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Why is it that Ashleys getting the brunt of the abuse here? You answer that question yourself - he's where the buck stops as far as idiotic executive appointments are concerned. Agreed. And the minions don't make up their own songs, the song sheets are handed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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