Spurs in turmoil.

[LeazesMag 0]

all these supposed clubs that are/were better run than we are/were just makes me laugh my head off

 

That's almost an admission that Ashley is doing a good job

 

not yet he isn't

 

Long way from matching the old mob yet

 

In terms of running a business he has long since surpassed them.

 

In footballing terms it is yet to be seen however...

 

its the football that counts.

 

As the old lot took over a business heading for the old 3rd division, I would suggest they made a good job of running the business.

 

Those 30,000 "customers" who came back to support the club are the proof.

 

We were supposed of been on the verge of doing a Leeds and to be honest I can't imagine Shepherd would have sacked Allardyce in January so we were probably going to.

 

We were in massive amounts of debt, spent sponsorships up front etc etc.

 

It wasn't a steady ship.

 

common scaremongering to justify attacking the old board Tom. No way were we about to do a Leeds.

 

The sell out crowds show the success of the "business" .......... and as crowds are down, you simply can't say that the business is "better" because that is what its all about.

 

Whether they would have sacked Allardyce is a moot point, why wouldn't they ? They sacked the others who lost their way. Thats football. This sort of thing is why I made the initial comment about it all making me laugh. Football is all about ups and downs, making good and bad appointments, all clubs do it, and the fact that we have done better than most tells you that we did a lot more things right than wrong.

[Guest Stevie]

All a bit Shambolic at the moment fellas.

 

Oh and laughing at others misfortune isnt very nice.

 

Welcome back Danny.

 

Keep it sweet and remember why you ousted in the first place.

 

Then again I doubt you are unlucky enough to get banned twice.

 

No probs mate, TBH I have zero banter at the moment anyway......not that I ever did.

 

Berbatov is looking like he is on his way like and I think Levy is making a hash of it.

 

I'm not sure who you could get in to play up with Bent.

 

There is talk of Arshavin coming in and playing behind him and also talk of Heskey - however I think the Heskey rumor is a tabloid piss take.

 

I can't see you getting anything against Chelsea and Aston Villa will be a challenge.

 

Anyway what you were saying about Newcastle having a bad start

 

We should have set a deadline for Utd to shell out.

 

We cant give him the heave-ho until we have a replacement but the russians are fucking us over, its a total shambles.

 

Thanks for the update I have been at reading festival all weekend so I have been out of the loop.

Too many e's at the festival, coupled with a journey back to your North London shithole appear to have given you a dose of realism. I said to you about 6 months ago that players of the calibre of an Alan Shearer, Owen etc.. don't stay at club like Spurs and in your case players like Berbatov and Carrick, but it's nice to see this hint of humility you appear have gained through your little period of drug induced depression.

[Tom 14011]

All a bit Shambolic at the moment fellas.

 

Oh and laughing at others misfortune isnt very nice.

 

Welcome back Danny.

 

Keep it sweet and remember why you ousted in the first place.

 

Then again I doubt you are unlucky enough to get banned twice.

 

No probs mate, TBH I have zero banter at the moment anyway......not that I ever did.

 

Berbatov is looking like he is on his way like and I think Levy is making a hash of it.

 

I'm not sure who you could get in to play up with Bent.

 

There is talk of Arshavin coming in and playing behind him and also talk of Heskey - however I think the Heskey rumor is a tabloid piss take.

 

I can't see you getting anything against Chelsea and Aston Villa will be a challenge.

 

Anyway what you were saying about Newcastle having a bad start

 

We should have set a deadline for Utd to shell out.

 

We cant give him the heave-ho until we have a replacement but the russians are fucking us over, its a total shambles.

 

Thanks for the update I have been at reading festival all weekend so I have been out of the loop.

 

I think your lot are after over £30m for Berbatov and to be fair - he isn't worth that.

 

£18-20m would be a decent price for him and as much as I can understand Levy holding out for top whack he has left it too late in the game.

 

Basically no matter what you get for Berbatov you need to strikers and any club that sees Tottenham approach for one of their players is going to take the piss something rotten.

 

You were rumored for Pavlyuchenko but I think he is staying where he is for Champions League football.

[Park Life 71]

All a bit Shambolic at the moment fellas.

 

Oh and laughing at others misfortune isnt very nice.

 

Welcome back Danny.

 

Keep it sweet and remember why you ousted in the first place.

 

Then again I doubt you are unlucky enough to get banned twice.

 

No probs mate, TBH I have zero banter at the moment anyway......not that I ever did.

 

Berbatov is looking like he is on his way like and I think Levy is making a hash of it.

 

I'm not sure who you could get in to play up with Bent.

 

There is talk of Arshavin coming in and playing behind him and also talk of Heskey - however I think the Heskey rumor is a tabloid piss take.

 

I can't see you getting anything against Chelsea and Aston Villa will be a challenge.

 

Anyway what you were saying about Newcastle having a bad start

 

 

Wonder what the odds would have been on played 5 lost 5 ?

[LeazesMag 0]

All a bit Shambolic at the moment fellas.

 

Oh and laughing at others misfortune isnt very nice.

 

Welcome back Danny.

 

Keep it sweet and remember why you ousted in the first place.

 

Then again I doubt you are unlucky enough to get banned twice.

 

No probs mate, TBH I have zero banter at the moment anyway......not that I ever did.

 

no, you talked shit from the start

[Jusoda Kid 1]

All a bit Shambolic at the moment fellas.

 

Oh and laughing at others misfortune isnt very nice.

 

Welcome back Danny.

 

Keep it sweet and remember why you ousted in the first place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The way his luck is going at the minute, owt could happen.

[ewerk 30167]

all these supposed clubs that are/were better run than we are/were just makes me laugh my head off

 

That's almost an admission that Ashley is doing a good job

 

not yet he isn't

 

Long way from matching the old mob yet

 

In terms of running a business he has long since surpassed them.

 

In footballing terms it is yet to be seen however...

 

No he's not, business is all about the numbers and NOTHING else. Season ticket sales are down and therefore on absolutely any assessment of the business, its doing worse on its number one metric.

 

There are of course reasons for this but lets not confuse paying debts off with business success, got fuck all to do with each other.

 

Aye but by paying off the debt he has reduced our outgoings, which outweights which and what else is happening to our finances is anyones guess.

Edited August 26, 2008 by ewerk

[Douggy B 0]

You could get 6/1 on the Mackems before the game, I wish I had fucking took it. Too many overpaid lazy shits in the game these days.

[Park Life 71]

All a bit Shambolic at the moment fellas.

 

Oh and laughing at others misfortune isnt very nice.

 

Welcome back Danny.

 

Keep it sweet and remember why you ousted in the first place.

 

Then again I doubt you are unlucky enough to get banned twice.

 

No probs mate, TBH I have zero banter at the moment anyway......not that I ever did.

 

Berbatov is looking like he is on his way like and I think Levy is making a hash of it.

 

I'm not sure who you could get in to play up with Bent.

 

There is talk of Arshavin coming in and playing behind him and also talk of Heskey - however I think the Heskey rumor is a tabloid piss take.

 

I can't see you getting anything against Chelsea and Aston Villa will be a challenge.

 

Anyway what you were saying about Newcastle having a bad start

 

We should have set a deadline for Utd to shell out.

 

We cant give him the heave-ho until we have a replacement but the russians are fucking us over, its a total shambles.

 

Thanks for the update I have been at reading festival all weekend so I have been out of the loop.

 

I think your lot are after over £30m for Berbatov and to be fair - he isn't worth that.

 

£18-20m would be a decent price for him and as much as I can understand Levy holding out for top whack he has left it too late in the game.

 

Basically no matter what you get for Berbatov you need to strikers and any club that sees Tottenham approach for one of their players is going to take the piss something rotten.

 

You were rumored for Pavlyuchenko but I think he is staying where he is for Champions League football.

 

 

Think they're looking at Falcao. Circa World cup 82??

[Barney 0]

You could get 6/1 on the Mackems before the game, I wish I had fucking took it. Too many overpaid lazy shits in the game these days.

 

I only saw breif highlights of the goals, Danny.

 

Care to name and shame them?

[Craig 6670]

Spurs are in the same sorry mess we were in over the last 3-4 years.... Pay over the odds for average players, get no footballing return on them and then the manager gets pressure to the point where the board sack them costing them a shed-load in compensation. Lets face it, it won't be long before Ramos is given the old 'Spanish Archer' is it?

 

The Berbatov situation is pathetic - as was touted on the radio this morning, Spurs should have flogged him weeks ago when it was crystal clear he wanted out. And now they're scrabbling over the last couple of million? Fuck's sake they bought him for £10m and Man Utd have reportedly had a £28m bid turned down. That's £18m profit in two years.... Think about it, that'll cover the cost of the huge mistake that is Darren Bent! Then again I suppose he's their only remaining striker...

 

To think that in early January they had Defoe, Keane, Berbatov & Bent on their books and the first three have effectively all gone! Had they sold Berbatov earlier in the summer, they'd have had time to find a replacement - with a week to go and he's still on their books, I doubt they've got time now - I'd be fucking livid if I was a Spurs fan....

 

Anyone else feel slightly chuffed on Saturday that the Mackems gave them a hiding?

[Park Life 71]

Press are warming up...

 

 

 

By Paul Doyle, Guardian.co.uk's chief football writer.

 

The Premier League may have barely begun but it's already clear that for several teams this will be the most important week of the season.

 

Without significant movement over the next seven days, the transfer window will come down like a guillotine on the ambitions of sides such as Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton and, most of all, Tottenham.

 

It seems strange that a manager who has signed 10 new players since taking charge 45 games ago should still be short in so many positions, but Juande Ramos has been improvising cack-handedly since the start of the campaign.

 

With a slew of new signings Spurs can be forgiven for lacking fluidity so far; similarly, trying two different, and equally ineffective, formations against Middlesbrough and Sunderland need not be alarming, but several other factors cannot so readily be attributed to teething trouble. Oddities include omitting Tom Huddlestone when the midfield is chronically weak, sticking Didier Zokora at full-back in place of the injured Alan Hutton after paying £2m for Chris Gunter; removing David Bentley from the wing where he has thrived in recent seasons; and, of course, indulging Dimitar Berbatov's brooding.

 

Refusing to deploy your best player because he's "not in the right frame of mind" can be laudably compassionate in some circumstances but not in Berbatov's case. It is the manager's job to get the best out of his players when they're healthy - if the Bulgarian possesses a brain that Ramos cannot wash, then he must be sold and replaced. The decision-deficit has been undermining Spurs' season since before it even began.

 

Character is crucial. It's unlikely that denying Robbie Keane his dream move and letting Berbatov go would have been so destructive. By choosing to do the reverse, or just by plain dithering, Ramos has called into question his character judgement and man-management. This would not be so worrying for Tottenham if the doubts weren't deepened by the instability in the centre of the Spurs defence (injuries can't fully explain the persistent lack of organisation) and the fact that since lifting the Carling Cup last February Spurs have won just three competitive matches; for the final months of last season most of the team seemed to be in the wrong frame of mind.

 

In addition to finding players to fill the positions where Spurs' first-choice or cover is ropey, Ramos must recruit characters with whom he knows he can work. Otherwise Ramos and Spurs could prove to be incompatible.

 

 

Gone by christmas???

 

*Runs off to check odds*

[ChezGiven 0]

Danny was lurking before I noticed. Gone a bit reticent though. Sums up what a wanker the kid is if he only shows up for 'banter' when his side are doing well.

 

Modric anonymous at the weekend apparently.

 

Lucky guess on my behalf iih

 

I'll take your word for it mate.

 

I quite spuriously and over-confidently claimed that Modric would have a shit season to Danny a few weeks back.

 

Am not saying i've been proved right, obviously.

[Park Life 71]

Danny was lurking before I noticed. Gone a bit reticent though. Sums up what a wanker the kid is if he only shows up for 'banter' when his side are doing well.

 

Modric anonymous at the weekend apparently.

 

Lucky guess on my behalf iih

 

I'll take your word for it mate.

 

I quite spuriously and over-confidently claimed that Modric would have a shit season to Danny a few weeks back.

 

Am not saying i've been proved right, obviously.

 

Best way.

[Tom 14011]

It amazes me how reporters always know better than professional football managers

[Jusoda Kid 1]

I think a few on here are jumping the gun a bit on the spurs carry on, I know it's nice but I would hang fire.

[Guest alex]

Beautifully executed thread btw Parky

[Douggy B 0]

Anyway are we done now?

[Besty 4]

I think a few on here are jumping the gun a bit on the spurs carry on, I know it's nice but I would hang fire.

 

Just what I was thinking, I don't think they're gonna be challenging 4th place like people had said before the season but I think they'll still finish at least 8th and play some good football getting there.

[Guest Stevie]

You could get 6/1 on the Mackems before the game, I wish I had fucking took it. Too many overpaid lazy shits in the game these days.

Get the prozac out.

[Tom 14011]

I think a few on here are jumping the gun a bit on the spurs carry on, I know it's nice but I would hang fire.

 

Definitely.

 

They have had a ropey start and that looks to continue with matches against Chelsea and a decent Aston Villa side.

 

After that they might pull it together.

[Park Life 71]

I think a few on here are jumping the gun a bit on the spurs carry on, I know it's nice but I would hang fire.

 

Might as well get a couple of kicks in while we can mate.

[ChezGiven 0]

I think a few on here are jumping the gun a bit on the spurs carry on, I know it's nice but I would hang fire.

 

Definitely.

 

They have had a ropey start and that looks to continue with matches against Chelsea and a decent Aston Villa side.

 

After that they might pull it together.

 

Confidence knocking and pressure building on manager though.

[Tom 14011]

I think a few on here are jumping the gun a bit on the spurs carry on, I know it's nice but I would hang fire.

 

Definitely.

 

They have had a ropey start and that looks to continue with matches against Chelsea and a decent Aston Villa side.

 

After that they might pull it together.

 

Confidence knocking and pressure building on manager though.

 

None the less they should easily beat Wigan and they have a decent chance of picking up points against Aston Villa.

 

Chelsea should lash them but I'm not sure how consistent Scolari's team will be.

 

I for one can imagine Levy sticking by Ramos for 2 reasons.

 

1. The scandal Tottenham involved themselves in tapping him up in the first place (rendering Levy a hypocrite regarding transfers)

 

2. The shocking way they treated Jol can't be seen to happen two seasons in a row can it?

[Tom 14011]

I think a few on here are jumping the gun a bit on the spurs carry on, I know it's nice but I would hang fire.

 

Definitely.

 

They have had a ropey start and that looks to continue with matches against Chelsea and a decent Aston Villa side.

 

After that they might pull it together.

 

Confidence knocking and pressure building on manager though.

 

None the less they should easily beat Wigan and they have a decent chance of picking up points against Aston Villa.

 

Chelsea should lash them but I'm not sure how consistent Scolari's team will be.

 

I for one can imagine Levy sticking by Ramos for 2 reasons.

 

1. The scandal Tottenham involved themselves in tapping him up in the first place (rendering Levy a hypocrite regarding transfers)

 

2. The shocking way they treated Jol can't be seen to happen two seasons in a row can it?