Steve McClaren sacked as Newcastle United 'Head Coach' (Manager)

[Christmas Tree 4711]

 

Since when was asking someone to explain their opinion 'being clever'?

My opinion was most people see changes as a positive improvement, going on to then ask "what are their individual achievements that set them apart", is being clever for the sake of it.

[toonotl 2974]

I think the question HF asked was completely legitimate, or would be, if he were posing it to a reasonable person. HF's mistake was that he asked you, a wilful idiot, with no legitimate basis for believing anything from one moment to the next.

[Dr Gloom 21868]

My opinion was most people see changes as a positive improvement, going on to then ask "what are their individual achievements that set them apart", is being clever for the sake of it.

By that rationale, Carver and Kinnear were positive improvements.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

By that rationale, Carver and Kinnear were positive improvements.

I wouldn't say the majority of Newcastle fans found either of those positive appointments.

[toonotl 2974]

I wouldn't say the majority of Newcastle fans found either of those positive appointments.

 

That's exactly Gloomy's point that you're helping him attempt to ram into your thick skull.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

 

That's exactly Gloomy's point that you're helping him attempt to ram into your thick skull.

Does every one of your posts really need to contain an insult?

 

Were you bullied at school?

 

I fail at the best of times to understand people who bash out this stuff on their keypad, but having overcome the battles you have I would have thought there would be a little more sunshine in your heart.

 

Take a leaf out of howmanheyman or gemmill and do it with style

[toonotl 2974]

 

I don't think I'm anymore insulting towards you than anyone else on here to be honest. Sorry if I upset you pettle but it's nothing personal.

 

Now can we get back to you not understanding your own logic?

Edited July 7, 2015 by toonotl

[Dr Gloom 21868]

If you're going to make me look like a tit, do it with style

[Christmas Tree 4711]

If you're going to make me look like a tit, do it with style

Exactly

[toonotl 2974]

If you're going to make me look like a tit, do it with style

 

Exactly. With so much experience he's developed a refined palette for exactly how he enjoys his lack of intelligence being pointed out.

[Happy Face 29]

My opinion was most people see changes as a positive improvement, going on to then ask "what are their individual achievements that set them apart", is being clever for the sake of it.

 

I agree with your opinion to that extent. Clearly they do.

 

I don't see why most people feel that way though, which is why I asked on Twitter what exactly people saw as the improvement.

 

As someone that is part of "most people" I thought you could explain why they're better to someone who remains to be convinced and and cannot see in their past record what sets them apart going forward.

 

"Anything is better than Carver/Stone" is all well and good, but it doesn't fill me with optimism particularly.

[toonotl 2974]

Never mind HF we've established that CT doesn't understand his point of view. Better luck with someone else I guess.

[ewerk 30395]

I think what has people excited is the fact that they're largely unknown quantities. We all knew the shit we were going to be served up with Pardew, Carver and Stone but with a new set of coaches in there is the potential that they might be quite good. Much of this is based on absolutely nothing but blind hope.

[Christmas Tree 4711]

 

I agree with your opinion to that extent. Clearly they do.

 

I don't see why most people feel that way though, which is why I asked on Twitter what exactly people saw as the improvement.

 

As someone that is part of "most people" I thought you could explain why they're better to someone who remains to be convinced and and cannot see in their past record what sets them apart going forward.

 

"Anything is better than Carver/Stone" is all well and good, but it doesn't fill me with optimism particularly.

Well I think your just a bit set in your stance.

 

Steve McClaren is respected as a good coach, has had success at winning leagues and won a cup with boro.

 

Cathro has had success with Valencia and again is rated highly by a lot of people in the game.

 

Steve black gets praise from all over the place (including Johnny wilkinson) as an excellent fitness coach.

 

The others two Ive read less about. But surely there's enough in that set up to be positive about?

 

I think it's definitely your "stance" that your in rather than everyone else being over optimistic. I saw a few of your tweets last night questioning why people thought McClaren attending the fans forum was a positive move.

 

Sure nothing's getting won in the fans forum, but after years of people complaining that only the odd PR staffer showed up, McClaren turning up is better than him not turning up.

 

No guarantee that it has any effect either way, but at least people can ask him questions and he gets direct feedback from paying punters.

 

People will soon say whether he's just trotting out crap.

[Kitman 2204]

yes that Ian Cathword has had a lot of positive reviews and seems to have done well in Spain. Maybe thats where its come from. I'm not sure about McLaren and Simpson but they compare favourably with Carver and Stone. The fitness and conditionomg team look like an upgrade we were crying out for too

[Gemmill 44557]

Does every one of your posts really need to contain an insult?

 

Were you bullied at school?

 

I fail at the best of times to understand people who bash out this stuff on their keypad, but having overcome the battles you have I would have thought there would be a little more sunshine in your heart.

 

Take a leaf out of howmanheyman or gemmill and do it with style

I've genuinely nearly packed in on here a couple of times cos I couldn't stop myself being a twat to you, and I didn't think it was doing either of us any good. I'm glad you find me stylish in my mockery.

[toonotl 2974]

 

It's your inherently moral nature that the closet mackem appreciates.

[Happy Face 29]

Well I think your just a bit set in your stance.

 

Steve McClaren is respected as a good coach, has had success at winning leagues and won a cup with boro.

 

Cathro has had success with Valencia and again is rated highly by a lot of people in the game.

 

Steve black gets praise from all over the place (including Johnny wilkinson) as an excellent fitness coach.

 

The others two Ive read less about. But surely there's enough in that set up to be positive about?

 

 

Everyone has mates in the game who will biig them up....

 

 

Kevin Dillon, assistant coach to Pardew at Reading, on BBC Radio 5 live:

 

"I think it's a perfect fit. I think Alan's done a great job at Newcastle after being there four years. They've played in Europe, he got manager of the year and recently manager of the month.

"I worked for him for three years and he's the best coach I've worked with. He's hands on. He doesn't sit back and let things happen. He comes up with the procedures and does the coaching himself."

 

Your eagerness to take their word for it rather than base an opinion on evidence is questionable. I'm asking about achievements that show they should walk into jobs at one of the biggest clubs in the country.

 

I've praised McClaren and am reasonably content with his appointment. It's the response to the rest of the backroom I find strangely ebullient

 

 

 

I think it's definitely your "stance" that your in rather than everyone else being over optimistic. I saw a few of your tweets last night questioning why people thought McClaren attending the fans forum was a positive move.

 

Sure nothing's getting won in the fans forum, but after years of people complaining that only the odd PR staffer showed up, McClaren turning up is better than him not turning up.

 

No guarantee that it has any effect either way, but at least people can ask him questions and he gets direct feedback from paying punters.

 

People will soon say whether he's just trotting out crap.

 

McClaren IS a PR staffer. That's the point. Thge forum demanded Ashley come along and they're sucking each others dicks because McClaren popped in.

 

I've no doubt McClaren is genuine, eager and capable. He's been far more willing to hold his hands up and walk out on jobs where he wasn't able to take the club forward, unlike Pardew. I fear with Ashley's propensity to lead his managers along it won't be a marriage made in heaven.

[Kitman 2204]

 

It's your inherently moral nature that the closet mackem appreciates.

its ok Gemmill is perpetual like this website

[Tom 14011]

It's been said before - but I don't think anyone really has any faith in the fans forum. It seems to be a complete waste of time.

 

If you were asking the right questions you wouldn't be allowed back in.

[toonotl 2974]

It's been said before - but I don't think anyone really has any faith in the fans forum. It seems to be a complete waste of time.

 

If you were asking the right questions you wouldn't be allowed back in.

 

Yep, spot on. It's a PR event. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

The club won't give certain sections of the media the platform to ask difficult questions of Ashley and co., so why would fans be given that opportunity?

[The Fish 10814]

 

I agree with your opinion to that extent. Clearly they do.

 

I don't see why most people feel that way though, which is why I asked on Twitter what exactly people saw as the improvement.

 

As someone that is part of "most people" I thought you could explain why they're better to someone who remains to be convinced and and cannot see in their past record what sets them apart going forward.

 

"Anything is better than Carver/Stone" is all well and good, but it doesn't fill me with optimism particularly.

 

I think Cathro, McClaren and Simpson are an improvement on the dreary departed. McClaren has, throughout his coaching career, been highly regarded as a good coach, putting on good training sessions and developing players.

 

Ian Cathro is one of Europes most highly rated coaches, he's taken risks and has received credit and acclaim.

 

SImpson I don't know a great deal about, but has been part of a coaching set up with McClaren and receives praise almost by association.

 

Now when compared to Carver, Stone and Pardew, these three are huge improvements imo. None of the previous staff are renowned for their coaching abilities, in fact they're roundly derided for them. So, while CT's optimism is over the top, there are still reasons to be cheerful.

[toonotl 2974]

I agree completely on McClaren, and there is little doubt the rest of the new staff holds a certain amount of promise to get excited about as well. However, I think we should be wary of going overboard on the praise for Cathro's ability. I think he captures the imagination because he's young and has taken a not so typical route into a backroom staff role. I'm not saying he's not a promising young coach because he undoubtedly is, but I would just say that we should maybe temper our excitement and expectations somewhat.

[Tom 14011]

A worry with McClaren is I reckon he'll throw his toys out the pram if he's not backed properly.

[Dr Gloom 21868]

i'll be more cheerful when we've signed some players.