Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Maybe he is trying to shake the bottle job tag. and yet you cling to you "crap wum" moniker as if it were the only facet to your personality? Trust me that is opinion held by most, if not all, non NUFC. Just because you don't like it doesnt make it a wind up. No, its what your ill-informed media-lapping know-nowt mates think. Big difference. The media deals in simple stories as half its readership are below average intelligence and you dont want to alienate half the readership with complicated things like reality. You're a case in point. He walked out on you first time round, He walked out on Fulham, He walked out on England during qualifying, He retired at City......or did he. Those are the facts I dont need the media to tell me that when the going gets tough....KK gets gone. By that definition then so is Ramos as he left Sevilla to go to somewhere else much like Keegan did when he left Fulham for the job of national team manager. Can't exactly see how that is when the going gets tough like but there you go. And the other three? I've got reasonable answers for those, but are you going to respond to what I said about Ramos first? As when the going gets tough.... Ramos gets gone going by your logic. Erm no. You are talking one out of the four. How does that affect my logic? OK in 75% of cases keegan bottled it. Ramos took another job offer after winning two Uefs on the trot. When the going got good Ramos took the offer. You have still dodged the question properly as Keegan took the England job which is a lot more of a glamorous prospect than Fulham was, especially at that time. That shows ambition. Ramos going to Spurs doesn't really show any ambition on his part as it was a step backwards from Sevilla. Nothing to do with Keegan going when the pressure was on or being a quitter as you call it, but then again as stated by your stupid logic so is Ramos. No offence but that is silly, Seville dont have the 10th of our resources. Lets just leave the Fulham part, what about NUFC 1st time? What about England? What about Shitty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Keegan wanted to see out his Man City contract. John Wardle wanted a new man in place at the earliest opportunity so asked him to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 No offence but that is silly, Seville dont have the 10th of our resources. Lets just leave the Fulham part, what about NUFC 1st time? What about England? What about Shitty? Why? Because you've realised what a stupid logic it was you were using? Why is that silly? The going was good at Sevilla as you put it, two Uefa Cups on the trot, mounting title challenges against the likes of Barca, Madrid, or going to a team who think they belong with the big boys because they finished 5th twice in the last however many seasons and will forever live in their neighbours shadow. Backwards step-tastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 (edited) No offence but that is silly, Seville dont have the 10th of our resources. Lets just leave the Fulham part, what about NUFC 1st time? What about England? What about Shitty? Why? Because you've realised what a stupid logic it was you were using? Why is that silly? The going was good at Sevilla as you put it, two Uefa Cups on the trot, mounting title challenges against the likes of Barca, Madrid, or going to a team who think they belong with the big boys because they finished 5th twice in the last however many seasons and will forever live in their neighbours shadow. Backwards step-tastic. Why are you ignoring my point about resources. Look Keegan has left / quit most of the jobs he has been in because things werent going his way. Ramos took a job with lots of resources at his disposal as he is an ambitious man who enjoys a challenge. Surely you are not making a comparison between the two? Edited July 22, 2008 by Danny B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why are you ignoring my point about resources. Look Keegan has left quit most of the jobs he has been in because things werent going his way. Ramos took a job with lots of resources at his disposal as he is an ambitious man who enjoys a challenge. Surely you are not making a comparison between the two? Things not going his way? Keegan has left EVERY club he's managed better than he found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why are you ignoring my point about resources. Look Keegan has left quit most of the jobs he has been in because things werent going his way. Ramos took a job with lots of resources at his disposal as he is an ambitious man who enjoys a challenge. Surely you are not making a comparison between the two? Things not going his way? Keegan has left EVERY club he's managed better than he found it. Then as soon as there was a whiff of trouble.... I am doubting his record as a manager, just that he is percieved by 99% of people as a bottler. But you could be right maybe everybody else is crazy and you're the sane ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 No offence but that is silly, Seville dont have the 10th of our resources. Lets just leave the Fulham part, what about NUFC 1st time? What about England? What about Shitty? Why? Because you've realised what a stupid logic it was you were using? Why is that silly? The going was good at Sevilla as you put it, two Uefa Cups on the trot, mounting title challenges against the likes of Barca, Madrid, or going to a team who think they belong with the big boys because they finished 5th twice in the last however many seasons and will forever live in their neighbours shadow. Backwards step-tastic. Why are you ignoring my point about resources. Look Keegan has left / quit most of the jobs he has been in because things werent going his way. Ramos took a job with lots of resources at his disposal as he is an ambitious man who enjoys a challenge. Surely you are not making a comparison between the two? Nothing to do with the pay packet? Surely trying to dislodge Barca and Madrid at the top of La Liga would be more of a challenge? You ignored my point first young man and still haven't answered it satisfactory, as it was an absolutely ridiculous comment to make in the first place. It's not your fault you don't really know what you're talking about, I suppose you think Keegan quit us because he couldn't handle the pressure anymore as most of the idiots from round your way think, not the actual real reasons as to why he quit, much like how we had a shit defence when he was first manager, and much how we all still wear flat caps up here and race pigeons for sport, as well as working 17 hour a day shifts in the pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why are you ignoring my point about resources. Look Keegan has left quit most of the jobs he has been in because things werent going his way. Ramos took a job with lots of resources at his disposal as he is an ambitious man who enjoys a challenge. Surely you are not making a comparison between the two? Things not going his way? Keegan has left EVERY club he's managed better than he found it. Then as soon as there was a whiff of trouble.... I am doubting his record as a manager, just that he is percieved by 99% of people as a bottler. But you could be right maybe everybody else is crazy and you're the sane ones. Like at Fulham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why do you think Keegan is second favourite in the sack race? Do you really think people think Ashley will sack him off so soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why do you think Keegan is second favourite in the sack race? Do you really think people think Ashley will sack him off so soon? I don't know, why do you think Sir Bobby Robson was favourite in the sack race the season we finished 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Like at Fulham? Like at 75% of the jobs he has had in management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why do you think Keegan is second favourite in the sack race? Do you really think people think Ashley will sack him off so soon? I don't know, why do you think Sir Bobby Robson was favourite in the sack race the season we finished 4th? Come on Jonathan. you do know, dont you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Like at Fulham? Like at 75% of the jobs he has had in management. Still not admitting what a ridiculous point it was that you made then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Maybe he is trying to shake the bottle job tag. and yet you cling to you "crap wum" moniker as if it were the only facet to your personality? Trust me that is opinion held by most, if not all, non NUFC. Just because you don't like it doesnt make it a wind up. No, its what your ill-informed media-lapping know-nowt mates think. Big difference. The media deals in simple stories as half its readership are below average intelligence and you dont want to alienate half the readership with complicated things like reality. You're a case in point. He walked out on you first time round, He walked out on Fulham, He walked out on England during qualifying, He retired at City......or did he. Those are the facts I dont need the media to tell me that when the going gets tough....KK gets gone. When you have to re-quote someone from less than 2 posts before you know you're dealing with a proper spacka. You said he bottled the jobs not that he walked out on the jobs. I've worked for 3 companies since i started my career, did i bottle the first 2 because i left them? All you've pointed out is the man left 4 jobs in a career now in its 5th role. Fuck me, you're as thick as Torres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_ty...&bir_index= For anybody who fancies a flutter. 5-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Maybe he is trying to shake the bottle job tag. and yet you cling to you "crap wum" moniker as if it were the only facet to your personality? Trust me that is opinion held by most, if not all, non NUFC. Just because you don't like it doesnt make it a wind up. No, its what your ill-informed media-lapping know-nowt mates think. Big difference. The media deals in simple stories as half its readership are below average intelligence and you dont want to alienate half the readership with complicated things like reality. You're a case in point. He walked out on you first time round, He walked out on Fulham, He walked out on England during qualifying, He retired at City......or did he. Those are the facts I dont need the media to tell me that when the going gets tough....KK gets gone. When you have to re-quote someone from less than 2 posts before you know you're dealing with a proper spacka. You said he bottled the jobs not that he walked out on the jobs. I've worked for 3 companies since i started my career, did i bottle the first 2 because i left them? All you've pointed out is the man left 4 jobs in a career now in its 5th role. Fuck me, you're as thick as Torres. Did you have another role to go into? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why are you ignoring my point about resources. Look Keegan has left quit most of the jobs he has been in because things werent going his way. Ramos took a job with lots of resources at his disposal as he is an ambitious man who enjoys a challenge. Surely you are not making a comparison between the two? Things not going his way? Keegan has left EVERY club he's managed better than he found it. Then as soon as there was a whiff of trouble.... I am doubting his record as a manager, just that he is percieved by 99% of people as a bottler. But you could be right maybe everybody else is crazy and you're the sane ones. More a whiff of those above him not matching his own ambition. Like he said when he left Newcastle and those in charge were more interested in the business side of becoming a PLC and raking in the dividends and like he said when he was asked to leave City as their longest serving manager in 26 years and getting them into Europe without getting the reward of the sort of investment needed to maintain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Maybe he is trying to shake the bottle job tag. and yet you cling to you "crap wum" moniker as if it were the only facet to your personality? Trust me that is opinion held by most, if not all, non NUFC. Just because you don't like it doesnt make it a wind up. No, its what your ill-informed media-lapping know-nowt mates think. Big difference. The media deals in simple stories as half its readership are below average intelligence and you dont want to alienate half the readership with complicated things like reality. You're a case in point. He walked out on you first time round, He walked out on Fulham, He walked out on England during qualifying, He retired at City......or did he. Those are the facts I dont need the media to tell me that when the going gets tough....KK gets gone. When you have to re-quote someone from less than 2 posts before you know you're dealing with a proper spacka. You said he bottled the jobs not that he walked out on the jobs. I've worked for 3 companies since i started my career, did i bottle the first 2 because i left them? All you've pointed out is the man left 4 jobs in a career now in its 5th role. Fuck me, you're as thick as Torres. Did you have another role to go into? I thought that never mattered? As your above post indicates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why do you think Keegan is second favourite in the sack race? Do you really think people think Ashley will sack him off so soon? Because a lot of people think he will be sacked- clearly- that is how bookies make their prices. Now I don't think there will be many Newcastle fans expecting him out of the door first or all 20 so I can only assume an awful lot of others do. I would hazard a guess those are the people who don't really know why he left us in the first place, or the fact that he is clearly quite determined to prove some people wrong. He KNOWS he is unsackable (and the board knew this in taking him on) and he has no reason to walk away from a lucrative contract in a job where he is extremely popular. So those without any real understanding of NUFC are busy making their bookmakers rich. Sack Keegan, and you've alienated your entire fanbase in one fell swoop- fans trust Keegan as someone who will do right by the club (as he felt when he first quite as the club were too focused on the PLC and the Sporting Club)- Ashley does not enjoy this trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why do you think Keegan is second favourite in the sack race? Do you really think people think Ashley will sack him off so soon? What's being favourite got to do with it. According to skysports you're 5th favourite for the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I feel we have gotten a little side tracked here: The facts He has quit 75% of jobs he has had with no onward role He is perceived by fans of other clubs as a bottler He is second favourite to be first out of the door. Now I have to sleep as I have work tomorrow, I will leave you to the agitated name calling, a dodgy reasoned arguments to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douggy B 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why do you think Keegan is second favourite in the sack race? Do you really think people think Ashley will sack him off so soon? Because a lot of people think he will be sacked- clearly- that is how bookies make their prices. Clue: You still win the bet if the manager quits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Maybe he is trying to shake the bottle job tag. and yet you cling to you "crap wum" moniker as if it were the only facet to your personality? Trust me that is opinion held by most, if not all, non NUFC. Just because you don't like it doesnt make it a wind up. No, its what your ill-informed media-lapping know-nowt mates think. Big difference. The media deals in simple stories as half its readership are below average intelligence and you dont want to alienate half the readership with complicated things like reality. You're a case in point. He walked out on you first time round, He walked out on Fulham, He walked out on England during qualifying, He retired at City......or did he. Those are the facts I dont need the media to tell me that when the going gets tough....KK gets gone. When you have to re-quote someone from less than 2 posts before you know you're dealing with a proper spacka. You said he bottled the jobs not that he walked out on the jobs. I've worked for 3 companies since i started my career, did i bottle the first 2 because i left them? All you've pointed out is the man left 4 jobs in a career now in its 5th role. Fuck me, you're as thick as Torres. Did you have another role to go into? This is about the reasons for leaving somewhere, not the pull of going somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I feel we have gotten a little side tracked here: The facts He has quit 75% of jobs he has had with no onward role He is perceived by fans of other clubs as a bottler He is second favourite to be first out of the door. Now I have to sleep as I have work tomorrow, I will leave you to the agitated name calling, a dodgy reasoned arguments to the contrary. How can perceiving something be a fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Danny, you're perceived as a wanker. Does that make it a fact? You're fancied 5th favourite by Skysports. Does that make it realistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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