Muppets planning Armageddon.

[Park Life 71]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

[Guest alex]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

Day Five in the Big Brother house: The Sun explodes

[Fop 1]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

 

Unfortunately they likely used the GPS coordinates for Mongolia, or Peterborough.

[Park Life 71]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

Day Five in the Big Brother house: The Sun explodes

 

 

Miraculously however the blind man survives and lives on to start his own church in Mississippi.

[Meenzer 15873]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

 

Unfortunately they likely used the GPS coordinates for Mongolia, or Peterborough.

 

And how would anyone notice the effects of a global military campaign in either of those places?

[Guest alex]

I've mentioned this before on here or N-O I think but I saw a programme about the administration in the lead up to the Iraq invasion and (I shit you not) the aides and advisors knew so little about the place they were consulting Lonely Planet guides. Of course, due to the situation in Iraq, they weren't even up-to-date - being 10 or more years out of date. You couldn't make it up.

[Guest alex]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

Day Five in the Big Brother house: The Sun explodes

 

 

Miraculously however the blind man survives and lives on to start his own church in Mississippi.

HF'll probably get that one anyway. Don't tell me you're watching that shite, are you?

[Park Life 71]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

Day Five in the Big Brother house: The Sun explodes

 

 

Miraculously however the blind man survives and lives on to start his own church in Mississippi.

HF'll probably get that one anyway. Don't tell me you're watching that shite, are you?

 

Strictly U-Tube highlights dear. I blame Mrs P as always.

[Guest alex]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

Day Five in the Big Brother house: The Sun explodes

 

 

Miraculously however the blind man survives and lives on to start his own church in Mississippi.

HF'll probably get that one anyway. Don't tell me you're watching that shite, are you?

 

Strictly U-Tube highlights dear. I blame Mrs P as always.

The classic 'Wor lass watches it'

[Fop 1]

I'd love to see where that came from btw.

 

No.

I can just imagine how funny the rest of that sites content is

 

 

 

 

I agree as scenarios go it is the worst case one, but don't imagine for a minute the Americans haven't evaluated that one.

 

Unfortunately they likely used the GPS coordinates for Mongolia, or Peterborough.

 

And how would anyone notice the effects of a global military campaign in either of those places?

 

Well in Peterborough it'd probably be vigorous urban renewal, but Mongolia is quite nice.

 

 

 

I've mentioned this before on here or N-O I think but I saw a programme about the administration in the lead up to the Iraq invasion and (I shit you not) the aides and advisors knew so little about the place they were consulting Lonely Planet guides. Of course, due to the situation in Iraq, they weren't even up-to-date - being 10 or more years out of date. You couldn't make it up.

 

Aye in fairness Iran was ing itself around then (most conciliatory I've ever seen it), probably NOT because it thought it was going to get directly invaded, but because they thought the USA might try for Iraq and miss.

[Guest alex]

Bit like how Cyprus got a bit twitchy when Saddam started firing Scuds at Israel.

[Fop 1]

Bit like how Cyprus got a bit twitchy when Saddam started firing Scuds at Israel.

 

Well they had two issues to worry about, Saddam firing rockets guided by a lump of plasticine and 2 bits of string, and the US filling the air with missiles supposed to stop them.

[Park Life 71]

Bit like how Cyprus got a bit twitchy when Saddam started firing Scuds at Israel.

 

Well they had two issues to worry about, Saddam firing rockets guided by a lump of plasticine and 2 bits of string, and the US filling the air with missiles supposed to stop them.

[acrossthepond 901]

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

Loads and loads of absolute nonsense in this thread. I didn't want to get involved here but then I see comparisons of Iran to Nazi Germany, and Ahmadinijad to Bush and I want to laugh and laugh.

 

Iran's nuclear weapons are not to be used on anyone. That would defeat the point of having them. No, Iran wants nukes not to destroy Israel, as the fearmongers would have you believe, but to destroy Israel's dominance of the region. For decades, as someone wisely pointed out in this thread, Israel has dominated foreign policy in the Middle East. As the only significant military power in the region, and the only nuclear power, Israel's (and thus the USA's) rule in the area is unquestioned. Iran is trying to question it - so they must be the enemy, planning Armageddon, preparing a new nuclear winter.

 

Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East - of course it will happen, and in our lifetimes. All of the authoritarian regimes of the ME saw what happened to Iraq. They know the only way to avoid a similar fate but still carry on their mandate is to acquire nukes.

 

Bottom line - Iran is no more a threat to the West than Hershey's Milk Chocolate. Don't believe everything you watch or read...and believe nothing you read on whatever loony bin website produced that "scenario" seen above

[Park Life 71]

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

Loads and loads of absolute nonsense in this thread. I didn't want to get involved here but then I see comparisons of Iran to Nazi Germany, and Ahmadinijad to Bush and I want to laugh and laugh.

 

Iran's nuclear weapons are not to be used on anyone. That would defeat the point of having them. No, Iran wants nukes not to destroy Israel, as the fearmongers would have you believe, but to destroy Israel's dominance of the region. For decades, as someone wisely pointed out in this thread, Israel has dominated foreign policy in the Middle East. As the only significant military power in the region, and the only nuclear power, Israel's (and thus the USA's) rule in the area is unquestioned. Iran is trying to question it - so they must be the enemy, planning Armageddon, preparing a new nuclear winter.

 

Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East - of course it will happen, and in our lifetimes. All of the authoritarian regimes of the ME saw what happened to Iraq. They know the only way to avoid a similar fate but still carry on their mandate is to acquire nukes.

 

Bottom line - Iran is no more a threat to the West than Hershey's Milk Chocolate. Don't believe everything you watch or read...and believe nothing you read on whatever loony bin website produced that "scenario" seen above

 

 

Post of the thread.

[Guest alex]

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

Loads and loads of absolute nonsense in this thread. I didn't want to get involved here but then I see comparisons of Iran to Nazi Germany, and Ahmadinijad to Bush and I want to laugh and laugh.

 

Iran's nuclear weapons are not to be used on anyone. That would defeat the point of having them. No, Iran wants nukes not to destroy Israel, as the fearmongers would have you believe, but to destroy Israel's dominance of the region. For decades, as someone wisely pointed out in this thread, Israel has dominated foreign policy in the Middle East. As the only significant military power in the region, and the only nuclear power, Israel's (and thus the USA's) rule in the area is unquestioned. Iran is trying to question it - so they must be the enemy, planning Armageddon, preparing a new nuclear winter.

 

Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East - of course it will happen, and in our lifetimes. All of the authoritarian regimes of the ME saw what happened to Iraq. They know the only way to avoid a similar fate but still carry on their mandate is to acquire nukes.

 

Bottom line - Iran is no more a threat to the West than Hershey's Milk Chocolate. Don't believe everything you watch or read...and believe nothing you read on whatever loony bin website produced that "scenario" seen above

Good post

[Fop 1]

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

Loads and loads of absolute nonsense in this thread. I didn't want to get involved here but then I see comparisons of Iran to Nazi Germany, and Ahmadinijad to Bush and I want to laugh and laugh.

 

Iran's nuclear weapons are not to be used on anyone. That would defeat the point of having them. No, Iran wants nukes not to destroy Israel, as the fearmongers would have you believe, but to destroy Israel's dominance of the region. For decades, as someone wisely pointed out in this thread, Israel has dominated foreign policy in the Middle East. As the only significant military power in the region, and the only nuclear power, Israel's (and thus the USA's) rule in the area is unquestioned. Iran is trying to question it - so they must be the enemy, planning Armageddon, preparing a new nuclear winter.

 

Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East - of course it will happen, and in our lifetimes. All of the authoritarian regimes of the ME saw what happened to Iraq. They know the only way to avoid a similar fate but still carry on their mandate is to acquire nukes.

 

Bottom line - Iran is no more a threat to the West than Hershey's Milk Chocolate. Don't believe everything you watch or read...and believe nothing you read on whatever loony bin website produced that "scenario" seen above

 

 

Do you actually ever read threads?

[Fop 1]

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

You got that right, at least.

 

 

Loads and loads of absolute nonsense in this thread. I didn't want to get involved here but then I see comparisons of Iran to Nazi Germany, and Ahmadinijad to Bush and I want to laugh and laugh.

Ahmadinijad is what Bush would be if you crossed him with a clever insightful politician.

Iran is what Nazi Germany would have been with relative military power of Poland at the time.

 

 

Iran's nuclear weapons are not to be used on anyone. That would defeat the point of having them. No, Iran wants nukes not to destroy Israel, as the fearmongers would have you believe, but to destroy Israel's dominance of the region. For decades, as someone wisely pointed out in this thread, Israel has dominated foreign policy in the Middle East. As the only significant military power in the region, and the only nuclear power, Israel's (and thus the USA's) rule in the area is unquestioned. Iran is trying to question it - so they must be the enemy, planning Armageddon, preparing a new nuclear winter.

 

Indeed, they'd never use them directly offensively, much like they'd never attack or put combat troops into Iraq..... but then they don't need to when they supply the weapons to others quite willing to do their dirty work for them.

 

Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East - of course it will happen, and in our lifetimes. All of the authoritarian regimes of the ME saw what happened to Iraq. They know the only way to avoid a similar fate but still carry on their mandate is to acquire nukes.

They WILL try (they are trying - Syria and Iran at least), they will NOT be honest about it (neither Syria or Iran have), whether they succeed or not is up to how committed the rest of the world is to stopping them.

 

Bottom line - Iran is no more a threat to the West than Hershey's Milk Chocolate. Don't believe everything you watch or read...and believe nothing you read on whatever loony bin website produced that "scenario" seen above

 

Directly? Yup. Indirectly just remember that when they first Iranian supplied dirty bomb or nuclear weapon is used in a terror attack.

[acrossthepond 901]

I just don't understand this Nazi association you're drawing with Iran.

 

Similarities:

Iran and Nazi Germany both arbitrarily "rediscovered" their national identities.

Iran and Nazi Germany are both ruled* by charismatic lunatics.

 

Differences:

Unlike Nazi Germany, Iran has no plans of world domination, is carrying out no genocides, is not preparing a massive military buildup with thoughts of invading neighbors.

Unlike Nazi Germany, where one (charismatic lunatic) man had supreme power, Iran's political decision-making power is concentrated in a democratically elected political body and a traditional religious body.

 

Rather think the differences outweigh the similarities, wouldn't you say?

 

I also think you're barking up the wrong tree as regards supply for terrorist attacks. If you want to find the real bankrollers, look past Iran, who want nothing to do with Sunni-based terror groups such as al-Qaida or al-Aqsa, but point yourself towards Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

 

* - Ahmadinijad is not the ruler of Iran and it's safe to discount almost everything he says. His purpose is to draw attention away from the mullahs, who make the decisions in that country. It appears to be working.

[Park Life 71]

I just don't understand this Nazi association you're drawing with Iran.

 

Similarities:

Iran and Nazi Germany both arbitrarily "rediscovered" their national identities.

Iran and Nazi Germany are both ruled* by charismatic lunatics.

 

Differences:

Unlike Nazi Germany, Iran has no plans of world domination, is carrying out no genocides, is not preparing a massive military buildup with thoughts of invading neighbors.

Unlike Nazi Germany, where one (charismatic lunatic) man had supreme power, Iran's political decision-making power is concentrated in a democratically elected political body and a traditional religious body.

 

Rather think the differences outweigh the similarities, wouldn't you say?

 

I also think you're barking up the wrong tree as regards supply for terrorist attacks. If you want to find the real bankrollers, look past Iran, who want nothing to do with Sunni-based terror groups such as al-Qaida or al-Aqsa, but point yourself towards Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

 

* - Ahmadinijad is not the ruler of Iran and it's safe to discount almost everything he says. His purpose is to draw attention away from the mullahs, who make the decisions in that country. It appears to be working.

 

I try and drum this in whenever these debates occur. I've come to realise that people prefer a more easily definable bad guy.

[Fop 1]

I just don't understand this Nazi association you're drawing with Iran.

 

Similarities:

Iran and Nazi Germany both arbitrarily "rediscovered" their national identities.

Iran and Nazi Germany are both ruled* by charismatic lunatics.

 

So you think he's a lunatic, we'll I think that's a disservice to him, but technically true I suppose.

 

 

Differences:

Unlike Nazi Germany, Iran has no plans of world domination, is carrying out no genocides, is not preparing a massive military buildup with thoughts of invading neighbors.

 

Unlike Germany Iran has no capability for such a military build up - as for the rest, again they wouldn't without the power to do so - like I said, Germany with Poland's relative power.

 

If Iran had Germany's relative power of 1939 we'd all already be in the .

 

Unlike Nazi Germany, where one (charismatic lunatic) man had supreme power, Iran's political decision-making power is concentrated in a democratically elected political body and a traditional religious body.

 

Yes "Democratically elected" in the context of not allowing the liberal candidates to stand (or the people to vote for them, and in some cases "legally" banning them)....... now I don't know how much you know about German history, but more than a passing resemblance there.

 

Rather think the differences outweigh the similarities, wouldn't you say?

 

As we can see above, not really when put into the CONTEXT they were mentioned.

 

 

 

 

I also think you're barking up the wrong tree as regards supply for terrorist attacks. If you want to find the real bankrollers, look past Iran, who want nothing to do with Sunni-based terror groups such as al-Qaida or al-Aqsa, but point yourself towards Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

There's little to debate here, the exact route of delivery may differ from faction to faction the source of the arms largely does not.

Even many countries with political gain in undermining the US have accepted as much now.

 

 

* - Ahmadinijad is not the ruler of Iran and it's safe to discount almost everything he says. His purpose is to draw attention away from the mullahs, who make the decisions in that country. It appears to be working.

He has power and allies there, who hold the upper hand is interesting but at the end of the day no really relevant (in fact it makes my case stronger the more power the mullahs still have).... none of that is really much to do with the issues in the thread however.

[Fop 1]

but point yourself towards Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. .

 

I try and drum this in whenever these debates occur. I've come to realise that people prefer a more easily definable bad guy.

Without a doubt (although Butto was more convivial with the Taliban that Sharif ever was/is or will be - to a large degree they'd never have taken control of Afghanistan from Pakistan in the first place if that wasn't so).

 

But you're looking at extra issues, NOT removal of the real issues to do with Iran.

[Park Life 71]

but point yourself towards Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. .

 

I try and drum this in whenever these debates occur. I've come to realise that people prefer a more easily definable bad guy.

Without a doubt (although Butto was more convivial with the Taliban that Sharif ever was/is or will be - to a large degree they'd never have taken control of Afghanistan from Pakistan in the first place if that wasn't so).

 

But you're looking at extra issues, NOT removal of the real issues to do with Iran.

 

 

If you're looking to wipe out a huge chunk of troublemaking money look no further than Waahabi Islam (Saudi Arabia). I've read some excellent books about how terror is financed around the world and the finger nearly always comes back to SA. The hawalah system used in most underground money transfers now is greater than the economy of Italy.

[Fop 1]

but point yourself towards Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. .

 

I try and drum this in whenever these debates occur. I've come to realise that people prefer a more easily definable bad guy.

Without a doubt (although Butto was more convivial with the Taliban that Sharif ever was/is or will be - to a large degree they'd never have taken control of Afghanistan from Pakistan in the first place if that wasn't so).

 

But you're looking at extra issues, NOT removal of the real issues to do with Iran.

 

 

If you're looking to wipe out a huge chunk of troublemaking money look no further than Waahabi Islam (Saudi Arabia). I've read some excellent books about how terror is financed around the world and the finger nearly always comes back to SA. The hawalah system used in most underground money transfers now is greater than the economy of Italy.

 

Yup without a doubt, although it's harder to do now than pre-9/11. But like I said that takes nothing away from Iran, it just give you more things to worry about.

[Rob W 0]

You're saying dinnerjacket is brighter than Bush. Nuke them I say!

 

The thing is it would be very, very difficult to get a nuclear weapon or nuclear material into the UK (impossible maybe), but get one into the English Channel, or off the coast? Much more likely.

 

 

The fact is nuclear weapons as a genuine military option are almost obsolete - no country would use them pro-actively as they are a death wish.

 

But using them in other more subvert ways is something I think we'll eventually see, much like 40 years ago islamic suicide bombers were practically unheard of.

 

 

Frankly I'd always rather have a madman or a dim extremist in charge of a country than an intelligent person with an agenda and a plan.

 

Dead easy mate - you just pack it in the middle of a monster pack of Stella cans and drive it over from Calais just before Christmas ina white Transit with a Liverpool FC sticker in the back window

 

the UK doesn't have automatic sytems to check on radioactive materials in cars