NJS 4411 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 OK culturally and aesthetically more similar to Sunderland than Newcastle. We might have a toned down accent compared with Newcastle but it's unmistakably Tyneside rather than Wearside. Explain what you mean. Again if you're talking about asthetics then explain how North Tyneside is similar or different and to where. Proper geordies from North Tyneside, and they have a lot of nice area's too. The houses in Tynemouth and Whitley Bay are in another league to South Tyneside. Take a walk from Monkseaton Metro to the sea front one day and you will see what I mean. I've worked with a lot of "pea-ple" from South Tyneside and the odd mackem word always drops in in conversation "bewk" etc... in a St-ea-ve Cram celebrity fan sort of wayah. Ever been to Cleadon or Whitburn? Or Westoe Village? I lived in South Shields for 32 years and never heard a single person ever, ever say "bewk" or the others. I suggest you are a fucking lying idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to call anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab Edited June 17, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to all anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab It's similar to the Liverpool slums thing, for me. I find it embarrassing. Mainly because if the deprivation in our own part of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15722 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Further to the 'What the fuck?' discussion on the other board: Does any of the Gay lads on here have a preferable town or city for when oot on the tap? London, simple as. Safety/variety in numbers. The Manchester scene has a good press, but the place has always been full of nutters when I've been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to all anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab It's similar to the Liverpool slums thing, for me. I find it embarrassing. Mainly because if the deprivation in our own part of the world. Indeed. Previously I could only find the North Tyneside rank, but a bit of digging and it seems Stevie lives in the most deprived borough of Tyne and Wear.... Table 1: District Level Summaries – 50 most deprived Rank Rank of Average Score 1 Liverpool 2 Manchester 3 Knowsley 4 Tower Hamlets 5 Hackney 6 Islington 7 Nottingham 8 Easington 9 Kingston upon Hull 10 Middlesbrough 11 Newham 12 Salford 13 Haringey 14 Hartlepool 15 Birmingham 16 Sandwell 17 Southwark 18 Stoke-on-Trent 19 Camden 20 Newcastle upon Tyne 21 Halton 22 Sunderland 23 Lambeth 24 Blackpool 25 Rochdale 26 Gateshead 27 South Tyneside 28 Barnsley 29 Barrow-in-Furness 30 Bradford 31 Leicester 32 Wear Valley 33 Mansfield 34 Blackburn with Darwen 35 Wolverhampton 36 St. Helens 37 Burnley 38 Hastings 39 Westminster 40 Doncaster 41 Greenwich 42 Barking and Dagenham 43 Oldham 44 Redcar and Cleveland 45 Wansbeck 46 Bolsover 47 Waltham Forest 48 Wirral 49 Tameside 50 Bolton http://74.125.39.104/search?q=cache:cvMufZ...;cd=1&gl=uk I really should find a more interesting job for myself. Edited June 17, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to all anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab in 2004 we were ranked 28th, and are currently ranked 37th (out of 354). tale of woe.... http://www.southtyneside.info/intelligence/safer/soas.asp Desolation Edited June 17, 2008 by Stevie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to all anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab in 2004 we were ranked 28th, and are currently ranked 37th (out of 354). tale of woe.... http://www.southtyneside.info/intelligence/safer/soas.asp Desolation But Newcastle are 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to all anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab in 2004 we were ranked 28th, and are currently ranked 37th (out of 354). tale of woe.... http://www.southtyneside.info/intelligence/safer/soas.asp Desolation But Newcastle are 20th. Aye but if you notice the biggest cities in the country are in the top 20, because regional capitals like Newcastle upon Tyne will attract everything. It's where la creme de la creme live, and it's also where tramps and the like live too, we can't have it all ways and this survey doesn't take everything in to account. My point was about South Tyneside overall being trampy, nothing else. Edited June 17, 2008 by Stevie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 The fact the survey has Newcastle as being more deprived than Sunderland shows the credibility of it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to all anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab in 2004 we were ranked 28th, and are currently ranked 37th (out of 354). tale of woe.... http://www.southtyneside.info/intelligence/safer/soas.asp Desolation But Newcastle are 20th. Aye but if you notice the biggest cities in the country are in the top 20, because regional capitals like Newcastle upon Tyne will attract everything. It's where la creme de la creme live, and it's also where tramps and the like live too, we can't have it all ways and this survey doesn't take everything in to account. My point was about South Tyneside overall being trampy, nothing else. The point of that survey is to take everything into account. Employment rate, income scale, extent of deprivation and concentration. The majority of the map you posted above is purple or blue, then green, then yellow. The smallest parts of the map represent the red, the lowest 10%. Compare that to the Newcastle one.... http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/wwwfileroot/cx...nce/IMD2007.pdf There's a lot of white. But I'd say there's more blue than there is green/yellow. That's more people in the poorest or richest 20% than in the middle 20-70% range. You're either a scruff or a toff in Newcastle. South Tyneside has mostly toffs, then a lot of people on middle incomes then relatively few in poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I'm a toff btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15722 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Must admit I'm surprised to see quite so much of areas like Fawdon, say, falling into the bottom 10-20%. I suppose aspects like income will always be skewed against the north-east (or are they weighted for cost of living?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInspiration 1 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to all anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab in 2004 we were ranked 28th, and are currently ranked 37th (out of 354). tale of woe.... http://www.southtyneside.info/intelligence/safer/soas.asp Desolation But Newcastle are 20th. Aye but if you notice the biggest cities in the country are in the top 20, because regional capitals like Newcastle upon Tyne will attract everything. It's where la creme de la creme live, and it's also where tramps and the like live too, we can't have it all ways and this survey doesn't take everything in to account. My point was about South Tyneside overall being trampy, nothing else. Leeds, Sheffield and Bristol are bigger than Newcastle and aren't on the list tbh. Edited June 17, 2008 by TheInspiration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 The fact the survey has Newcastle as being more deprived than Sunderland shows the credibility of it as well. Newcastle has got better than Sunderland in the last 3 years, only just.... Still the second most deprived of the five boroughs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 My point was nothing to do with Newcastle though it was about South Tyneside and the scruffs that live between the Tyne and the Wear. Your point was about the three boroughs South of the river as opposed to the two North. Ignoring the fact that North Tyneside is the 69th most deprived in the country (out of 354). If I was in the poorest 20% of people I'd not be inclined to all anyone else a scruff. see the economy tab in 2004 we were ranked 28th, and are currently ranked 37th (out of 354). tale of woe.... http://www.southtyneside.info/intelligence/safer/soas.asp Desolation But Newcastle are 20th. Aye but if you notice the biggest cities in the country are in the top 20, because regional capitals like Newcastle upon Tyne will attract everything. It's where la creme de la creme live, and it's also where tramps and the like live too, we can't have it all ways and this survey doesn't take everything in to account. My point was about South Tyneside overall being trampy, nothing else. Leeds, Sheffield and Bristol are bigger than Newcastle and aren't on the list tbh. People would cry racism if they were. The whole survey is a joke as I've mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) There are no blacks in Hackney like. Edited June 17, 2008 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 People would cry racism if they were. The whole survey is a joke as I've mentioned. You want to tell the national office of statistics to sack all their actuaries then, and send you and your mate to ASDA's around the nation where you can judge regional poverty on the density of the single mums' eyebrow hair and reward government subsidies on that basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Newcastle has some of the most deprived wards in the country as well. Walker also has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 In general I'd say most NE areas are pretty similar - Newcastle might have some posh areas (as has ST to a smaller scale) but it also has a shit load of rough areas and the roughest of all - exactly where I started replying in this thread. When I go back to Shields I'll be the first to admit it isn't "nice" and there are problems - however I'd argue on the whole that that isn't down to the people which is what Stevie was getting at. For years ST had the highest mainland unemployement in the UK due to its concentration on a few industries which were destroyed - the fact that they weren't replaced isn't due to how pure blood the people are - its down to regional and national politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Newcastle has some of the most deprived wards in the country as well. Walker also has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates iirc. You could argue that's to do with how attractive Newcastle teenagers are though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stevie Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 In general I'd say most NE areas are pretty similar - Newcastle might have some posh areas (as has ST to a smaller scale) but it also has a shit load of rough areas and the roughest of all - exactly where I started replying in this thread. When I go back to Shields I'll be the first to admit it isn't "nice" and there are problems - however I'd argue on the whole that that isn't down to the people which is what Stevie was getting at. For years ST had the highest mainland unemployement in the UK due to its concentration on a few industries which were destroyed - the fact that they weren't replaced isn't due to how pure blood the people are - its down to regional politics. and you say there are no similarities, that is EXACTLY what the mackems say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Newcastle has some of the most deprived wards in the country as well. Walker also has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates iirc. You could argue that's to do with how attractive Newcastle teenagers are though. Does being attractive stop you using contraceptives like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15722 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 Newcastle has some of the most deprived wards in the country as well. Walker also has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates iirc. You could argue that's to do with how attractive Newcastle teenagers are though. Does being attractive stop you using contraceptives like? I think he's saying we should be proud of being the teenage rape capital of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 In general I'd say most NE areas are pretty similar - Newcastle might have some posh areas (as has ST to a smaller scale) but it also has a shit load of rough areas and the roughest of all - exactly where I started replying in this thread. When I go back to Shields I'll be the first to admit it isn't "nice" and there are problems - however I'd argue on the whole that that isn't down to the people which is what Stevie was getting at. For years ST had the highest mainland unemployement in the UK due to its concentration on a few industries which were destroyed - the fact that they weren't replaced isn't due to how pure blood the people are - its down to regional politics. and you say there are no similarities, that is EXACTLY what the mackems say. The Mackems are wrong because they forget the biggest achivement of regional politics ever - the Nissan factory - ST has had nothing compared to the investment in Newcastle, Sunderland and even North Tyneside (Siemens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) So has Stevie been to Westoe Village, Cleadon or Whitburn then? I didn't see an answer Soz like, couldn't leave it alone like I promised. Edited June 17, 2008 by Sima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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