Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 He's taken the huff cos we've 'called him names' I really should actually read your posts more often........ "huff" indeed! Although do you honestly think (even if I weren't enjoying this ) that the best way to get anyone to answer a question is to do this? What was that phrase you liked? Ah yes; mad as cheese. *you're gonna post* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 He's taken the huff cos we've 'called him names' Hehe.... I saw you lurking and knew you'd have to post, admittedly you resisted longer than I thought you would, but you just can't help yourself. Obsession has complete control of you me laddo. *awaits the next one* Fop, you quote posts of mine that aren't even addressed to you and then go and fill your nappy in my profile. Rich as a butchers turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 He's taken the huff cos we've 'called him names' Hehe.... I saw you lurking and knew you'd have to post, admittedly you resisted longer than I thought you would, but you just can't help yourself. Obsession has complete control of you me laddo. *awaits the next one* Fop, you quote posts of mine that aren't even addressed to you and then go and fill your nappy in my profile. Rich as a butchers turd. you just can't not post can you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 He's taken the huff cos we've 'called him names' Hehe.... I saw you lurking and knew you'd have to post, admittedly you resisted longer than I thought you would, but you just can't help yourself. Obsession has complete control of you me laddo. *awaits the next one* Fop, you quote posts of mine that aren't even addressed to you and then go and fill your nappy in my profile. Rich as a butchers turd. you just can't not post can you. Why don't you stop then. You're clearly obsessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 He's taken the huff cos we've 'called him names' Hehe.... I saw you lurking and knew you'd have to post, admittedly you resisted longer than I thought you would, but you just can't help yourself. Obsession has complete control of you me laddo. *awaits the next one* Fop, you quote posts of mine that aren't even addressed to you and then go and fill your nappy in my profile. Rich as a butchers turd. you just can't not post can you. Why don't you stop then. You're clearly obsessed. Because it's funny. Besides we've all seen what happens without a villain on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30165 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Is this possibly the dullest thread in the history of this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) Is this possibly the dullest thread in the history of this forum? Yup it could have been an interesting debate......... if only Torres had been posting. (although it's amazing the number of people that have read it, are keeping up with it, and have posted in it - so maybe not that dull or at least "needed" in a strange way ) Edited June 10, 2008 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30165 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) Is this possibly the dullest thread in the history of this forum? Yup it could have been an interesting debate......... if only Torres had been posting. (although it's amazing the number of people that have read it and posted in it - so maybe not that dull or at least "needed" in a strange way ) Given that you've had over twice as many posts in here as anyone else it's no surprise that it's dull. 'Obsessed'. Edited June 10, 2008 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 Is this possibly the dullest thread in the history of this forum? Yup it could have been an interesting debate......... if only Torres had been posting. (although it's amazing the number of people that have read it and posted in it - so maybe not that dull or at least "needed" in a strange way ) Given that you've had over twice as many posts in here it's no surprise that it's dull. 'Obsessed'. And yet you all come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 it's called rubbernecking. shameful I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3342 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Bonsai is the art of aesthetic miniaturization of trees by growing them in containers. Cultivation includes techniques for shaping, watering, and repotting in various styles of containers. Originating in China during the Han Dynasty, 'bonsai' is a Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese word penzai (盆栽). The word bonsai has been used in the West as an umbrella term for all miniature trees. History The origins of bonsai are believed to have begun at least 4000 years ago during the Han Dynasty in China. It has since developed into new forms in parts of China, Japan, Korea and Vietnam. At first, the Japanese used miniaturized trees grown in containers to decorate their homes and gardens. During the Tokugawa period, landscape gardening attained new importance. Cultivation of plants such as azalea and maples became a pastime of the wealthy. Growing dwarf plants in containers was also popular. At this time, the term for dwarf potted trees was "a tree in a pot" (鉢の木, hachi-no-ki?). The c.1300 rhymed prose essay, Rhymeprose on a Miniature Landscape Garden, by the Japanese Zen monk Kokan Shiren, outlines the aesthetic principles for bonsai, bonseki and garden architecture itself. The oldest known living bonsai trees are in the collection at Happo-en (a private garden and exclusive restaurant) in Tokyo, Japan, where bonsais are between 400 to 800 years old. Cultivation Bonsai are not genetically dwarfed plants. They can be created from nearly any tree or shrub species and remain small through pot confinement and crown or root pruning. Some specific species are more sought after for use as bonsai material because they have characteristics that make them appropriate for the smaller design arrangements of bonsai. Techniques The small size of the tree and the dwarfing of foliage result from pruning of both the leaves and the roots. Most trees require a dormancy period and do not grow roots or leaves at that time. Improper pruning can weaken or kill trees. Copper or aluminium wire wrapped around branches and trunks holds the branches in place until they lignify (convert into wood), usually 6-9 months or one growing season. Some species do not lignify strongly, or are already too stiff/brittle to be shaped and are not conducive to wiring, in which case shaping is accomplished primarily through pruning. Cultivators use Deadwood Bonsai Techniques called jin and shari to simulate age and maturity in a bonsai. Jin is the term used when the bark from an entire branch is removed to create the impression of a snag of deadwood. Shari denotes stripping bark from areas of the trunk to simulate natural scarring from a broken limb or lightning strike. Watering With limited space in a bonsai pot, regular attention is needed to ensure the tree is correctly watered. Sun, heat and wind exposure can dry bonsai trees to the point of drought in a short period of time. While some species can handle periods of relative dryness, others require near-constant moisture. Watering too frequently, or allowing the soil to remain soggy, promotes fungal infections and root rot. Free draining soil is used to prevent waterlogging. Deciduous trees are more at risk of dehydration and will wilt as the soil dries out. Evergreen trees, which tend to cope with dry conditions better, do not display signs of the problem until after damage has occurred. Repotting Bonsai are repotted and root-pruned at intervals dictated by the vigour and age of each tree. In the case of deciduous trees, this is done as the tree is leaving its dormant period, generally around springtime. Bonsai are often repotted while in development, and less often as they become more mature. This prevents them from becoming pot-bound and encourages the growth of new feeder roots, allowing the tree to absorb moisture more efficiently. Pre-bonsai material are often placed in "growing boxes" which are made from scraps of fenceboard or wood slats. These large boxes allow the roots to grow more freely and increase the vigor of the tree. The second stage, after using a grow box, has been to replant the tree in a "training box;" this is often smaller and helps to create a smaller dense root mass which can be more easily moved into a final presentation pot. Wiring Most bonsai are trained using malleable wire made from copper or copper colored aluminium. This is wrapped around the developing branches and trunk, allowing them to be moved into the desired shape and held in place by the wire. The tree is wired for at least one growing season to allow the branches to set in their new position. Some trees do not respond well to wiring and are shaped instead by pruning. Tools Special tools are available for the maintenance of bonsai. The most common tool is the concave cutter, a tool designed to prune flush, without leaving a stub. Other tools include branch bending jacks, wire pliers and shears of different proportions for performing detail and rough shaping. Soil and fertilization Opinions about soil mixes and fertilization vary widely among practitioners. Some promote the use of organic fertilizers to augment an essentially inorganic soil mix, while others will use chemical fertilizers freely. Bonsai soil is primarily a loose, fast-draining mix of components, often a base mixture of coarse sand or gravel, fired clay pellets or expanded shale combined with an organic component such as peat or bark. In Japan, volcanic soils based on clay are preferred, such as akadama, or "red ball" soil, and kanuma, a type of yellow pumice used for azaleas and other calcifuges. Location and overwintering Most traditional bonsai are temperate climate trees and are kept outside all year. They require full sun in summer and usually a near-freezing dormancy period in winter. Depending on how hardy the tree species is, protection from very low temperatures may be required. Certain tropical species can survive winter without a dormancy period, and can therefore be kept indoors all year. Containers Bonsai pots have drainage holes typically covered with a plastic screen or mesh to prevent soil from escaping. Containers come in a variety of shapes and colors and can be glazed or unglazed. Containers with straight sides and sharp corners are generally better suited to formally presented plants, while oval or round containers might be used for plants with informal shapes. Most evergreen bonsai are placed in unglazed pots, while deciduous trees are planted in glazed pots. It is important in design that the color of the pot compliments the tree. Some pots are highly collectible, such as ancient Chinese or Japanese pots made in regions with experienced pot makers such as Tokoname, Japan or Yixing, China. Today many western potters throughout Europe and the United States produce fine quality pots for Bonsai. Common styles In English, the most common styles include: formal upright, slant, informal upright, cascade, semi-cascade, raft, literati, and group/forest. The formal upright style, or Chokkan, is characterized by a straight, upright, tapering trunk. The trunk and branches of the informal upright style, or Moyogi, may incorporate pronounced bends and curves, but the apex of the informal upright is always located directly over where the trunk begins at the soil line. Slant-style, or Shakan, bonsai possess straight trunks like those of bonsai grown in the formal upright style. However, the slant style trunk emerges from the soil at an angle, and the apex of the bonsai will be located to the left or right of the root base. Cascade-style, or Kengai, bonsai are modeled after trees which grow over water or on the sides of mountains. The apex, or tip of the tree in the Semi-cascade-style, or Han Kengai, bonsai extend just at or beneath the lip of the bonsai pot; the apex of a (full) cascade style falls below the base of the pot. Raft-style, or Netsuranari, bonsai mimic a natural phenomenon that occurs when a tree topples onto its side (typically due to erosion or another natural force) and branches along the exposed side of the trunk, growing as if they are a group of new trunks. Sometimes, roots will develop from buried portions of the trunk. Raft-style bonsai can have sinuous, straight-line, or slanting trunks, all giving the illusion that they are a group of separate trees -- while actually being the branches of a tree planted on its side. The literati style is characterized by a generally bare trunk line, with branches reduced to a minimum, and typically placed higher up on a long, often contorted trunk. This style derives its name from the Chinese literati, who were often artists, and some of whom painted Chinese brush paintings, like those found in the ancient text, The Mustard Seed Garden Manual of Painting, depicting pine trees that grew in harsh climates, struggling to reach sunlight. In Japan, the literati style is known as bunjin-gi (文人木, bunjin-gi?). (Bunjin is a translation of the Chinese phrase wenren meaning "scholars practiced in the arts" and gi is a derivative of the Japanese word, ki, for "tree"). The group or forest style, or Yose Ue, comprises a planting of more than one tree (typically an odd number if there are three or more trees, and essentially never 4 because of its significance in Japan) in a bonsai pot. The trees are usually the same species, with a variety of heights employed to add visual interest and to reflect the age differences encountered in mature forests. The root-over-rock style, or Sekijoju, is a style in which the roots of a tree (typically a fig tree) are wrapped around a rock. The rock is at the base of the trunk, with the roots exposed to varying degrees. The broom style, or Hokidachi is employed for trees with extensive, fine branching, often with species like elms. The trunk is straight and upright. It branches out in all directions about 1/3 of the way up the entire height of the tree. The branches and leaves form a ball-shaped crown which can also be very beautiful during the winter months. The multi-trunk style, or Ikadabuki has all the trunks growing out of one root system, and it actually is one single tree. All the trunks form one crown of leaves, in which the thickest and most developed trunk forms the top. The growing-in-a-rock, or Ishizuke style means the roots of the tree are growing in the cracks and holes of the rock. There is not much room for the roots to develop and take up nutrients. These trees are designed to visually represent that the tree has to struggle to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 it's called rubbernecking. shameful I know. It's called need, I'm afraid. Bonsai is the art of aesthetic miniaturization of trees by growing them in containers. Ah that old chestnut now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10671 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 was never about my job's better than his job or vice versa. It was the hypocrisy of his demands for info about personal matters of others whilst fearing the repercussions of revealing his own. As Manc says I'm hardly shy of saying what I do. Take fair amount of stick for it. So Fop, What do you do for a living? I do love the way you lot think I'll be inclined to do anything but frustrate you after you call "me" every name under the sun and throw aspirations on every aspect of "my" life......... are you lot really that dim? It's much more fun watching you wind yourselves up over it. Now, Papa or no, do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly? Oh and Fish if you are unemployed and live off Papa? How can you be considerably richer than anyone? Trust fund? I'm not. So Fop, what do you do for a living? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 was never about my job's better than his job or vice versa. It was the hypocrisy of his demands for info about personal matters of others whilst fearing the repercussions of revealing his own. As Manc says I'm hardly shy of saying what I do. Take fair amount of stick for it. So Fop, What do you do for a living? I do love the way you lot think I'll be inclined to do anything but frustrate you after you call "me" every name under the sun and throw aspirations on every aspect of "my" life......... are you lot really that dim? It's much more fun watching you wind yourselves up over it. Now, Papa or no, do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly? Oh and Fish if you are unemployed and live off Papa? How can you be considerably richer than anyone? Trust fund? I'm not. So Fop, what do you do for a living? Trust fund doesn't count. So do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10671 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 I know a trust fund doesn't count. So what's your profession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 I know a trust fund doesn't count. So what's your profession? Then you're unemployed. So do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10671 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 I've told you my job. So then Fop me laddio, what's your profession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 I've told you my job. So then Fop me laddio, what's your profession? So have I - thread over. So do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10671 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 I'm asking to be reminded what your profession is. So Fop, remind me what your profession is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 I'm asking to be reminded what your profession is. So Fop, remind me what your profession is. You'd have to pay me (and not in sex, thank you), I couldn't ethically do it for free. So do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6454 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Fop is probably the most annoying person I have never met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 Fop is probably the most annoying person I have never met. I blame the French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10671 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 I'm asking to be reminded what your profession is. So Fop, remind me what your profession is. You'd have to pay me (and not in sex, thank you), I couldn't ethically do it for free. So do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly? It's not all about money Fop, you're clearly obsessed. So remind me anyway, what's your profession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted June 10, 2008 Author Share Posted June 10, 2008 I'm asking to be reminded what your profession is. So Fop, remind me what your profession is. You'd have to pay me (and not in sex, thank you), I couldn't ethically do it for free. So do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly? It's not all about money Fop, you're clearly obsessed. So remind me anyway, what's your profession? So are you considerably richer than me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6454 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Fop is probably the most annoying person I have never met. I blame the French. I blame your parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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