'Orwellian' police in bid to silence ex-boyfriend stalked by youngest magistrate

[The Fish 10671]

I've had plenty of good experience with coppers, (I've a few mates on the force and my dad spent some as a copper.) helps if you don't initiate conversation with obstinacy and aggression as your default position mind.

 

I reckon that the psyche of those who sign up for the most hated job in Britain will be one that leans towards arrogance, so of course it follows that there'll be a lot of arrogant wankers on the police force.

 

However, demonising the entire force and railing against their every failure whilst refusing to acknowledge the necessary good they do, is pretty childish.

 

As an aside, you asked for positive police encounters, and it got me thinking, how many experiences does the average joe have with the police force if they don't habitually break the law? I mean the only time I reckon the majority of people meet the police is when something has gone wrong, or they themselves have broken the law.

 

It's unlikely that either of those two circumstance will find the public in their best moods, it's also likely that the Police will not be in the best mood when dealing with someone who broke the law.

 

I think you've a massive chip on your shoulder about the police and you'll of course blow past this post and instead dribble some bollocks about me being obsessed, a sheep or something that doesn't deal with the salient points of the post.

 

It's rare that anyone deals with police outside of stressful situations.

You clearly have a personal reason behind your anti-police rants

You, so far, have suggested no way to improve things and instead merrily throw stones.

[Fop 1]

I've had plenty of good experience with coppers, (I've a few mates on the force and my dad spent some as a copper.) helps if you don't initiate conversation with obstinacy and aggression as your default position mind.

 

I reckon that the psyche of those who sign up for the most hated job in Britain will be one that leans towards arrogance, so of course it follows that there'll be a lot of arrogant wankers on the police force.

 

However, demonising the entire force and railing against their every failure whilst refusing to acknowledge the necessary good they do, is pretty childish.

 

As an aside, you asked for positive police encounters, and it got me thinking, how many experiences does the average joe have with the police force if they don't habitually break the law? I mean the only time I reckon the majority of people meet the police is when something has gone wrong, or they themselves have broken the law.

 

It's unlikely that either of those two circumstance will find the public in their best moods, it's also likely that the Police will not be in the best mood when dealing with someone who broke the law.

 

I think you've a massive chip on your shoulder about the police and you'll of course blow past this post and instead dribble some bollocks about me being obsessed, a sheep or something that doesn't deal with the salient points of the post.

 

It's rare that anyone deals with police outside of stressful situations.

You clearly have a personal reason behind your anti-police rants

You, so far, have suggested no way to improve things and instead merrily throw stones.

 

 

So basically your Dad was a copper (no great surprise there I suspected as much from previous comments) and therefore they can do no wrong.

 

You're such a stereotype it is scary.

 

 

 

(and I do love how I "must" have been raped by a police officer or whatever, most revealing about the people who repeatedly come out with it IMO )

[Fop 1]

also likely that the Police will not be in the best mood when dealing with someone who broke the law.

 

Oh and again in NEITHER of the cases mentioned in this thread had ANYONE broken the law, but the police (on both occasions IMO).

[The Fish 10671]

how predictable.

[Fop 1]

how predictable.

Indeed, indeed.

[The Fish 10671]

Let's try this again, without all those other confusing words.

 

It's rare that anyone deals with police outside of stressful situations.

You clearly have a personal reason behind your anti-police rants

You, so far, have suggested no way to improve things and instead merrily throw stones.

[Fop 1]

Let's try this again, without all those other confusing words.

 

It's rare that anyone deals with police outside of stressful situations.

You clearly have a personal reason behind your anti-police rants

You, so far, have suggested no way to improve things and instead merrily throw stones.

 

Again what has any of that to do with the issues in this thread?

 

Other than your clear love of Daddy Dearest (or is it Papa?) which you project on to the police force as a whole.

 

 

 

 

Now do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly?

Edited June 8, 2008 by Fop

[The Fish 10671]

if you don't understand this, it's not worth continuing.

 

I was addressing the larger issue of wankers in the police force. (Oh lordy look at that I'm suggesting the police can, and often does, do wrong), I was saying that because of the nature of the work and the contempt that society has for the job and those that do the job, because of this, the job is attractive only to the very people you don't want in the job.

 

It's a massive and massively broken system. It isn't productive to point and whine and cry conspiracy every time there is a miscarriage of justice, it's productive to actually do something about it. It's not productive to decry every police officer as scum because that reinforces that behaviour. Your rants and moans serve as nothing but a mirror showing your own hatred for the police force.

 

My dad was a cop, sure but he's one man and my mates who're in the force are a few. I'm not stupid enough to think that a few men are indicative of the entire force, nor am I stupid enough to think that they're without fault themselves. It'd be insane to assume that a man who has real life issues and worries and concerns will be without fault at work. We don't expect it of firemen, we don't expect it of politicians why do we expect a flawless police force?

 

What I'm saying is that You want people to list positive experiences with the police yet the majority of experiences will not be, because the majority will be crimes committed by the individual (in which case he's hardly going to think the experience a happy fun time) or against the individual (where unless the offender is caught, sentenced and punished immediately it's unlikely the experience will be positive.).

 

It's the nature of the exchange, it will not be positive. The Police should be like a referee, you shouldn't notice them. I'm saying you only need them when there is a problem, so of course it won't be a positive experience.

 

 

 

 

also, you raise the love I have for my Dad as a bad thing? I pity you.

[manc-mag 1]

Let's try this again, without all those other confusing words.

It's rare that anyone deals with police outside of stressful situations.

You clearly have a personal reason behind your anti-police rants

You, so far, have suggested no way to improve things and instead merrily throw stones.

 

 

Good post by the way (the one with the confusing words). As ever, a lot of sense in the moderate's view.

[Fop 1]

What I'm saying is that You want people to list positive experiences with the police yet the majority of experiences will not be, because the majority will be crimes committed by the individual (in which case he's hardly going to think the experience a happy fun time) or against the individual (where unless the offender is caught, sentenced and punished immediately it's unlikely the experience will be positive.).

 

It's the nature of the exchange, it will not be positive. The Police should be like a referee, you shouldn't notice them. I'm saying you only need them when there is a problem, so of course it won't be a positive experience.

 

I'm talking about people that have done nothing wrong (like both the people in the examples in this thread).

 

People should have positive experiences, most people will have been on the receiving end of crime (theft, uninsured drivers, hit and run you name it), yet at best they probably got a visit and a crime number and that was that, at worse they were likely ignored (unless they knew how to play the system).

 

Their negative experiences will almost always outweigh the good.

 

 

also, you raise the love I have for my Dad as a bad thing? I pity you.

 

It is Papa isn't it? Not a problem really just your projecting of it, and that it fits SO well into your stereotype.

 

Actually there's been quite a bit on the police losing the middle-class recently, which should be of concern to you I guess.

 

 

 

 

Now again do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly?

[Fop 1]

Let's try this again, without all those other confusing words.

It's rare that anyone deals with police outside of stressful situations.

You clearly have a personal reason behind your anti-police rants

You, so far, have suggested no way to improve things and instead merrily throw stones.

 

 

Good post by the way (the one with the confusing words). As ever, a lot of sense in the moderate's view.

 

 

Again I do think you'd make a good copper, trying to back up the "story" even if it has nothing to do with reality.

 

(dunno why just trying to fit in with all the 's)

[manc-mag 1]

Let's try this again, without all those other confusing words.

It's rare that anyone deals with police outside of stressful situations.

You clearly have a personal reason behind your anti-police rants

You, so far, have suggested no way to improve things and instead merrily throw stones.

 

 

Good post by the way (the one with the confusing words). As ever, a lot of sense in the moderate's view.

 

 

Again I do think you'd make a good copper, trying to back up the "story" even if it has nothing to do with reality.

(dunno why just trying to fit in with all the 's)

 

What "story"?

[DanTheMan 0]

Imagine trying to have a real life conversation with Fop!

 

Armed Robber: No nonsense. Just give me all your money.

Fop: I shall commence by pointing out to you that my demeanour is not one which could be described as nonsensical. Consequently I can attest you have no cause to reprimand me on your first point. On to your second point: Bearing in mind the potentially lethal situation in which I find myself, to wit: your presence in conjunction with the presumably loaded firearm which is presently levelled at my cranium, I will comply with your request comprehensively, albeit reluctantly. Here, twenty-seven pence.

Armed Robber: Twenty-seven pence? Fuck off. There's more than that in the till.

Fop: Indeed, undoubtedly so. However your request was for *my* money. The currency in the till belongs to a third party and is therefore not "my money". However, if you are still desirous of said money I would suggest that you re-phrase your original statement to recognise and incorporate this important distinction.

 

© Viz

Edited June 8, 2008 by DanTheMan

[The Fish 10671]

I'm talking about people that have done nothing wrong (like both the people in the examples in this thread).

 

People should have positive experiences, most people will have been on the receiving end of crime (theft, uninsured drivers, hit and run you name it), yet at best they probably got a visit and a crime number and that was that, at worse they were likely ignored (unless they knew how to play the system).

 

Their negative experiences will almost always outweigh the good.

 

Couldn't disagree more. Unsurprisingly. The Police aren't there to counsel you through the hard times, they're there to enforce the law and keep the peace. I don't understand what exactly you want an average copper to do when dealing with a crime, do they hand hold and comfort, or do their job? It's unsurprising that you want the best of both worlds, you seem to have a pretty selfish view on the world.

 

 

It is Papa isn't it? Not a problem really just your projecting of it, and that it fits SO well into your stereotype.

 

Actually there's been quite a bit on the police losing the middle-class recently, which should be of concern to you I guess.

My Projecting? for one, I (in the very same sentence) said that the police do wrong, secondly I was actually giving a reason for my positive experience with the police force. I've no doubt my Dad was not a saint, he's told me as much himself, I'm not an idiot. He's a better man than most to be honest, certainly better than me and I'd wager twice the man you are.

 

Now again do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly?

I think that for every injustice committed by the police there's countless silent examples of justice being rightly delivered by the police which does not make the news. How many times do we hear about those? Never, because it's trendy to hate the police irrationally, it's easy and naive.

 

you're a demagogue fop and a fairly obvious one at that.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Fish is blatantly a coppers nark

[The Fish 10671]

It was 50/50 which way you'd go Wacky. No great surprise you'd err on the side of police hating though. I'll bet you've had a few run ins with the long arm of the law, what with your Little man complex and all that.

 

I'll bet one of them dropped his helmet on you and had you waddling around bumping into things like a shouty R2D2

[Fop 1]

Imagine trying to have a real life conversation with Fop!

© Viz

 

or

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What "story"?

Whichever one you want to make up, of course.

[manc-mag 1]

Imagine trying to have a real life conversation with Fop!

© Viz

 

or

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What "story"?

Whichever one you want to make up, of course.

 

So am I sposed to be making a story up myself or agreeing with someone elses story now?

 

Not that anything you say makes sense anyway.

[manc-mag 1]

It was 50/50 which way you'd go Wacky. No great surprise you'd err on the side of police hating though. I'll bet you've had a few run ins with the long arm of the law, what with your Little man complex and all that.

 

I'll bet one of them dropped his helmet on you and had you waddling around bumping into things like a shouty R2D2

 

I'll bet Wacky has lost count of the number of bobbies helmets he's had slapped around his head.

[Fop 1]

I'm talking about people that have done nothing wrong (like both the people in the examples in this thread).

 

People should have positive experiences, most people will have been on the receiving end of crime (theft, uninsured drivers, hit and run you name it), yet at best they probably got a visit and a crime number and that was that, at worse they were likely ignored (unless they knew how to play the system).

 

Their negative experiences will almost always outweigh the good.

 

Couldn't disagree more. Unsurprisingly. The Police aren't there to counsel you through the hard times, they're there to enforce the law and keep the peace. I don't understand what exactly you want an average copper to do when dealing with a crime, do they hand hold and comfort, or do their job? It's unsurprising that you want the best of both worlds, you seem to have a pretty selfish view on the world.

 

Er.... solve the crime, charge and get a conviction on the perpetrator.... I know, I know those things have no place in the modern police force.

 

Much better to go around just making shit up and arresting to fill out this weeks quota.

 

 

 

 

It is Papa isn't it? Not a problem really just your projecting of it, and that it fits SO well into your stereotype.

 

Actually there's been quite a bit on the police losing the middle-class recently, which should be of concern to you I guess.

My Projecting? for one, I (in the very same sentence) said that the police do wrong, secondly I was actually giving a reason for my positive experience with the police force. I've no doubt my Dad was not a saint, he's told me as much himself, I'm not an idiot. He's a better man than most to be honest, certainly better than me and I'd wager twice the man you are.

 

Ah hero worship, Papa must be so very proud.

 

Out of interest why only "a few years" in the force? Can only think of a couple of reasons why that might be (and no him having bigger biceps/penis/cardigan than my father is not one before you start ).

 

 

Now again do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly?

I think that for every injustice committed by the police there's countless silent examples of justice being rightly delivered by the police which does not make the news. How many times do we hear about those? Never, because it's trendy to hate the police irrationally, it's easy and naive.

 

you're a demagogue fop and a fairly obvious one at that.

 

Again (back to the point of the thread) do you think the police in the original post or indeed the video were acting legally or even just correctly?

[Fop 1]

Imagine trying to have a real life conversation with Fop!

© Viz

 

or

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What "story"?

Whichever one you want to make up, of course.

 

So am I sposed to be making a story up myself or agreeing with someone elses story now?

 

Not that anything you say makes sense anyway.

Either or both... maybe you wouldn't make such a good copper if you need to be walked through your lies... sorry... statements.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

It was 50/50 which way you'd go Wacky. No great surprise you'd err on the side of police hating though. I'll bet you've had a few run ins with the long arm of the law, what with your Little man complex and all that.

 

I'll bet one of them dropped his helmet on you and had you waddling around bumping into things like a shouty R2D2

 

 

Bunch of slimey, bent bastards the majority of them, I know that for a fact and have concrete stories to back it.

 

 

In fact the higher up the ladder they go the worse they get.

[Fop 1]

It was 50/50 which way you'd go Wacky. No great surprise you'd err on the side of police hating though. I'll bet you've had a few run ins with the long arm of the law, what with your Little man complex and all that.

 

I'll bet one of them dropped his helmet on you and had you waddling around bumping into things like a shouty R2D2

 

 

Bunch of slimey, bent bastards the majority of them, I know that for a fact and have concrete stories to back it.

 

 

In fact the higher up the ladder they go the worse they get.

 

Clearly (according to Fish and Manc) you must have been raped by a police officer to have such an opinion of them.

 

 

 

The fact is they aren't that much different to most average factory/office workers, just they happen to be in a position of power (and experiments have shown what that does to the best of people). Although I do think the job probably attracts a certain personality - and the fact is a genuinely good/honest copper would never get anywhere in the police force. You just don't get promoted for that sort of behaviour, quite the opposite in fact.

Edited June 8, 2008 by Fop

[manc-mag 1]

Imagine trying to have a real life conversation with Fop!

© Viz

 

or

00110011101001001101

 

 

What "story"?

Whichever one you want to make up, of course.

 

So am I sposed to be making a story up myself or agreeing with someone elses story now?

 

Not that anything you say makes sense anyway.

Either or both... maybe you wouldn't make such a good copper if you need to be walked through your lies... sorry... statements.

 

 

No, that didn't make any sense either. ho-hum.

 

PS at no point has Fish (or anyone) disputed that the behaviour of the police in the title post was completely incorrect. Where do you get all this cock rot?

[Fop 1]

Imagine trying to have a real life conversation with Fop!

© Viz

 

or

00110011101001001101

 

 

What "story"?

Whichever one you want to make up, of course.

 

So am I sposed to be making a story up myself or agreeing with someone elses story now?

 

Not that anything you say makes sense anyway.

Either or both... maybe you wouldn't make such a good copper if you need to be walked through your lies... sorry... statements.

 

 

No, that didn't make any sense either. ho-hum.

 

PS at no point has Fish (or anyone) disputed that the behaviour of the police in the title post was completely incorrect. Where do you get all this cock rot?

 

Still at it I see.