Today's EURO matches

[Fop 1]

Simple as - Don't use racist terminology on Toontastic.

What is racist terminology?

 

I could say to Isegrim, "how do you think the Krauts will do against the Kebab munchers" he wouldn't give a fuck, the same as I wouldn't for being called a rosbif, or an island monkey, which is what the krauts call us. So how do you define what is racist? Surely if it's not offensive it's not racist.

 

 

I would put it down as basic slang that simply shouldn't be there. Call Isegrim a Kraut and perhaps he wont be offended, perhaps he will. However, It's unnecessary to have basic abbreviations that may or may not be offensive. We aren't calling the thought police on this one but it's simple enough to avoid using works like 'paki/chinki/wop' etc.

 

Theres always the potential to offend and that's what we would like to avoid to make the board an overall friendlier place.

 

So please do

 

That's the thing the "Italian one" actually has far more in common with Limey or Kraut as a ethnic slur (and all three clearly are that, to some degree or other) than the others you mention. It's a very grey line at best.

 

Call an Italian a motherfucker however and I suspect you'll be lucky to get away without them trying to kill you.

 

It's not really a debate.

 

Avoid using those words on toontastic.

Aye, I'm not likely to anyway, but it's a very fuzzy line is all.

[Park Life 71]

I wonder why the English are often perceived as being arrogant though.

Arrogant?? Compared to some??? For arrogance see those bastards on the telly last night. Also my example of the yank, I wouldn't expect a foreigner to know what fucking county Stoke is in!

 

 

I've met Americans who think Paris is in London.

I met one who told me he'd been up to Scandinavia. It turned out to be Edinburgh.

 

Fuckin hell!!

[AmericanMag 0]

I wonder why the English are often perceived as being arrogant though.

Arrogant?? Compared to some??? For arrogance see those bastards on the telly last night. Also my example of the yank, I wouldn't expect a foreigner to know what fucking county Stoke is in!

 

 

I've met Americans who think Paris is in London.

I met one who told me he'd been up to Scandinavia. It turned out to be Edinburgh.

 

Fuckin hell!!

 

 

That is bad...

[Guest Stevie]

Is it alright if I refer to the English on the board as Limeys?

The thing is though from my point of view, I've got nothing against you as a person, but if America didn't exist I'd barely notice or care, so whatever names foreigners have for us however derogatory they are, I simply don't care because to me you as a country don't care, and I have no interest in how you think or how your peoples perceptions of things are. Insignificant to me, that's what I mean so I could never take offence as a Geordie and an Englishman.

 

 

It was meant as a joke. My fiancee (who is English) finds the concept of the term "Limey" as being derogatory funny considering it is a term used when the English figured out how to fight scurvy.

 

As for your views on the US: to clarify, are you saying that since the US doesn't care (as a nation) than you don't care about us?

 

If that is the case that is perfectly acceptable. The reasons that I stand up (when it comes to the American/Yank thing) is the stereotyping that usually comes along with it.

Well I know you're not all fat cunts who will die of heart disease at 40, and who think the Superbowl is the most watched event on earth (The Carling Cup was more watched world wide which sums it up), just most of you.

 

To clarify what you asked me about, whether USA people care as a nation is inconsequential to me, that's what I meant, I simply don't care. I don't know anything about your country, we don't even get taught about your history in our schools, partly because you don't have much history, and secondly because no one cares.

[Guest alex]

He was a nice enough bloke to be fair. It wasn't really worth setting him straight either, I'd just have confused him even more.

[Park Life 71]

I wonder why the English are often perceived as being arrogant though.

Arrogant?? Compared to some??? For arrogance see those bastards on the telly last night. Also my example of the yank, I wouldn't expect a foreigner to know what fucking county Stoke is in!

 

 

I've met Americans who think Paris is in London.

I met one who told me he'd been up to Scandinavia. It turned out to be Edinburgh.

 

Fuckin hell!!

 

 

That is bad...

 

 

I rather cruelly went along with it pointing out that was the reason we had to join the E.U. as we were more or less running France (met with serious nods and a round of I see's...).

[Fop 1]

I wonder why the English are often perceived as being arrogant though.

Arrogant?? Compared to some??? For arrogance see those bastards on the telly last night. Also my example of the yank, I wouldn't expect a foreigner to know what fucking county Stoke is in!

 

 

I've met Americans who think Paris is in London.

I met one who told me he'd been up to Scandinavia. It turned out to be Edinburgh.

 

Fuckin hell!!

 

 

 

 

That is bad...

 

 

I rather cruelly went along with it pointing out that was the reason we had to join the E.U. as we were more or less running France (met with serious nods and a round of I see's...).

Don't say stuff like that in France though, you'll start a war (seriously ).

[Guest Stevie]

I wonder why the English are often perceived as being arrogant though.

Arrogant?? Compared to some??? For arrogance see those bastards on the telly last night. Also my example of the yank, I wouldn't expect a foreigner to know what fucking county Stoke is in!

 

 

I've met Americans who think Paris is in London.

I met one who told me he'd been up to Scandinavia. It turned out to be Edinburgh.

 

Fuckin hell!!

 

 

That is bad...

 

 

I rather cruelly went along with it pointing out that was the reason we had to join the E.U. as we were more or less running France (met with serious nods and a round of I see's...).

You could have had even more fun with that.

[Park Life 71]

I wonder why the English are often perceived as being arrogant though.

Arrogant?? Compared to some??? For arrogance see those bastards on the telly last night. Also my example of the yank, I wouldn't expect a foreigner to know what fucking county Stoke is in!

 

 

I've met Americans who think Paris is in London.

I met one who told me he'd been up to Scandinavia. It turned out to be Edinburgh.

 

Fuckin hell!!

 

 

 

 

That is bad...

 

 

I rather cruelly went along with it pointing out that was the reason we had to join the E.U. as we were more or less running France (met with serious nods and a round of I see's...).

Don't say stuff like that in France though, you'll start a war (seriously ).

 

If only they didn't have those nukes.

[AmericanMag 0]

Is it alright if I refer to the English on the board as Limeys?

The thing is though from my point of view, I've got nothing against you as a person, but if America didn't exist I'd barely notice or care, so whatever names foreigners have for us however derogatory they are, I simply don't care because to me you as a country don't care, and I have no interest in how you think or how your peoples perceptions of things are. Insignificant to me, that's what I mean so I could never take offence as a Geordie and an Englishman.

 

 

It was meant as a joke. My fiancee (who is English) finds the concept of the term "Limey" as being derogatory funny considering it is a term used when the English figured out how to fight scurvy.

 

As for your views on the US: to clarify, are you saying that since the US doesn't care (as a nation) than you don't care about us?

 

If that is the case that is perfectly acceptable. The reasons that I stand up (when it comes to the American/Yank thing) is the stereotyping that usually comes along with it.

Well I know you're not all fat cunts who will die of heart disease at 40, and who think the Superbowl is the most watched event on earth (The Carling Cup was more watched world wide which sums it up), just most of you.

 

To clarify what you asked me about, whether USA people care as a nation is inconsequential to me, that's what I meant, I simply don't care. I don't know anything about your country, we don't even get taught about your history in our schools, partly because you don't have much history, and secondly because no one cares.

 

 

Interesting about the Superbowl. I wasn't able to find the TV Ratings for the Carling Cup but the last Superbowl was close to 100 mil. Superbowl Ratings

 

Out of interest, what history classes are taught in UK schools regarding countries other than your own. Please keep in mind that I am a teacher and this actually does interest me and I am not trying to be condescending in any way. As for the lack of history in the US.. Let me once again apologize for that. The English should have colonized us a lot earlier.

[Guest Stevie]

Is it alright if I refer to the English on the board as Limeys?

The thing is though from my point of view, I've got nothing against you as a person, but if America didn't exist I'd barely notice or care, so whatever names foreigners have for us however derogatory they are, I simply don't care because to me you as a country don't care, and I have no interest in how you think or how your peoples perceptions of things are. Insignificant to me, that's what I mean so I could never take offence as a Geordie and an Englishman.

 

 

It was meant as a joke. My fiancee (who is English) finds the concept of the term "Limey" as being derogatory funny considering it is a term used when the English figured out how to fight scurvy.

 

As for your views on the US: to clarify, are you saying that since the US doesn't care (as a nation) than you don't care about us?

 

If that is the case that is perfectly acceptable. The reasons that I stand up (when it comes to the American/Yank thing) is the stereotyping that usually comes along with it.

Well I know you're not all fat cunts who will die of heart disease at 40, and who think the Superbowl is the most watched event on earth (The Carling Cup was more watched world wide which sums it up), just most of you.

 

To clarify what you asked me about, whether USA people care as a nation is inconsequential to me, that's what I meant, I simply don't care. I don't know anything about your country, we don't even get taught about your history in our schools, partly because you don't have much history, and secondly because no one cares.

 

 

Interesting about the Superbowl. I wasn't able to find the TV Ratings for the Carling Cup but the last Superbowl was close to 100 mil. Superbowl Ratings

 

Out of interest, what history classes are taught in UK schools regarding countries other than your own. Please keep in mind that I am a teacher and this actually does interest me and I am not trying to be condescending in any way. As for the lack of history in the US.. Let me once again apologize for that. The English should have colonized us a lot earlier.

Just about countries we've battered really.

[Park Life 71]

Is it alright if I refer to the English on the board as Limeys?

The thing is though from my point of view, I've got nothing against you as a person, but if America didn't exist I'd barely notice or care, so whatever names foreigners have for us however derogatory they are, I simply don't care because to me you as a country don't care, and I have no interest in how you think or how your peoples perceptions of things are. Insignificant to me, that's what I mean so I could never take offence as a Geordie and an Englishman.

 

 

It was meant as a joke. My fiancee (who is English) finds the concept of the term "Limey" as being derogatory funny considering it is a term used when the English figured out how to fight scurvy.

 

As for your views on the US: to clarify, are you saying that since the US doesn't care (as a nation) than you don't care about us?

 

If that is the case that is perfectly acceptable. The reasons that I stand up (when it comes to the American/Yank thing) is the stereotyping that usually comes along with it.

Well I know you're not all fat cunts who will die of heart disease at 40, and who think the Superbowl is the most watched event on earth (The Carling Cup was more watched world wide which sums it up), just most of you.

 

To clarify what you asked me about, whether USA people care as a nation is inconsequential to me, that's what I meant, I simply don't care. I don't know anything about your country, we don't even get taught about your history in our schools, partly because you don't have much history, and secondly because no one cares.

 

 

Interesting about the Superbowl. I wasn't able to find the TV Ratings for the Carling Cup but the last Superbowl was close to 100 mil. Superbowl Ratings

 

Out of interest, what history classes are taught in UK schools regarding countries other than your own. Please keep in mind that I am a teacher and this actually does interest me and I am not trying to be condescending in any way. As for the lack of history in the US.. Let me once again apologize for that. The English should have colonized us a lot earlier.

 

 

I hear there are plans afoot to teach the Star Wars Empire as a form of American classical history.

[Fop 1]

Is it alright if I refer to the English on the board as Limeys?

The thing is though from my point of view, I've got nothing against you as a person, but if America didn't exist I'd barely notice or care, so whatever names foreigners have for us however derogatory they are, I simply don't care because to me you as a country don't care, and I have no interest in how you think or how your peoples perceptions of things are. Insignificant to me, that's what I mean so I could never take offence as a Geordie and an Englishman.

 

 

It was meant as a joke. My fiancee (who is English) finds the concept of the term "Limey" as being derogatory funny considering it is a term used when the English figured out how to fight scurvy.

 

As for your views on the US: to clarify, are you saying that since the US doesn't care (as a nation) than you don't care about us?

 

If that is the case that is perfectly acceptable. The reasons that I stand up (when it comes to the American/Yank thing) is the stereotyping that usually comes along with it.

Well I know you're not all fat cunts who will die of heart disease at 40, and who think the Superbowl is the most watched event on earth (The Carling Cup was more watched world wide which sums it up), just most of you.

 

To clarify what you asked me about, whether USA people care as a nation is inconsequential to me, that's what I meant, I simply don't care. I don't know anything about your country, we don't even get taught about your history in our schools, partly because you don't have much history, and secondly because no one cares.

 

 

Interesting about the Superbowl. I wasn't able to find the TV Ratings for the Carling Cup but the last Superbowl was close to 100 mil. Superbowl Ratings

 

Out of interest, what history classes are taught in UK schools regarding countries other than your own. Please keep in mind that I am a teacher and this actually does interest me and I am not trying to be condescending in any way. As for the lack of history in the US.. Let me once again apologize for that. The English should have colonized us a lot earlier.

 

With the last 10ish years edumication policy? Probably be lucky to get across the channel.

 

But more historically every thing from ancient Greece to Roman Britain (which intrinsically roped in much of the ancient world) feudal wars, crusades, protestant/catholic wars, right though to colonisation/Empire, which combined with causes and aftermaths of WW1 and WW2 and the cold war and you've not only covered most of the world, but also most of the roots of most 20th and 21st centuries problems. In fact I struggle to think of many things I wasn't taught about, but then my history teacher was pretty first class and I suspect much of that may well be a bit unfashionable these days.

 

 

Or more succinctly:

Just about countries we've battered really.

Which is pretty true (or been battered by).

Edited June 23, 2008 by Fop

[AmericanMag 0]

Is it alright if I refer to the English on the board as Limeys?

The thing is though from my point of view, I've got nothing against you as a person, but if America didn't exist I'd barely notice or care, so whatever names foreigners have for us however derogatory they are, I simply don't care because to me you as a country don't care, and I have no interest in how you think or how your peoples perceptions of things are. Insignificant to me, that's what I mean so I could never take offence as a Geordie and an Englishman.

 

 

It was meant as a joke. My fiancee (who is English) finds the concept of the term "Limey" as being derogatory funny considering it is a term used when the English figured out how to fight scurvy.

 

As for your views on the US: to clarify, are you saying that since the US doesn't care (as a nation) than you don't care about us?

 

If that is the case that is perfectly acceptable. The reasons that I stand up (when it comes to the American/Yank thing) is the stereotyping that usually comes along with it.

Well I know you're not all fat cunts who will die of heart disease at 40, and who think the Superbowl is the most watched event on earth (The Carling Cup was more watched world wide which sums it up), just most of you.

 

To clarify what you asked me about, whether USA people care as a nation is inconsequential to me, that's what I meant, I simply don't care. I don't know anything about your country, we don't even get taught about your history in our schools, partly because you don't have much history, and secondly because no one cares.

 

 

Interesting about the Superbowl. I wasn't able to find the TV Ratings for the Carling Cup but the last Superbowl was close to 100 mil. Superbowl Ratings

 

Out of interest, what history classes are taught in UK schools regarding countries other than your own. Please keep in mind that I am a teacher and this actually does interest me and I am not trying to be condescending in any way. As for the lack of history in the US.. Let me once again apologize for that. The English should have colonized us a lot earlier.

 

With the last 10ish years edumication policy? Probably be lucky to get across the channel.

 

But more historically every thing from ancient Greece to Roman Britain (which intrinsically roped in much of the ancient world) feudal wars, crusades, protestant/catholic wars, right though to colonisation/Empire, which combined with causes and aftermaths of WW1 and WW2 and the cold war and you've not only covered most of the world, but also most of the roots of most 20th and 21st centuries problems. In fact I struggle to think of many things I wasn't taught about, but then my history teacher was pretty first class and I suspect much of that may well be a bit unfashionable these days.

 

 

Or more succinctly:

Just about countries we've battered really.

Which is pretty true (or been battered by).

 

American high school students (the 9th - 12th years) have to take a year of World History and if they choose they can later on take a course specifically to European History.

 

As for the Star Wars reference... maybe that is Empire Envy But that happened a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away so I don't know if us Yanks can handle that.

[Sima 0]

I don't mind what foreign cunts call us to be honest, why would we care???? What would you rather be called Roast Beef or a Frog, Roast Beef is lovely. I was speaking to this yank at work the other day and he couldn't believe the fact that I didn't know what state his home town of St Louis was. Why the fuck should I know, I've got absolutely no interest in America, and will happily admit I know fuck all about the place. They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for us. Call me xenophobic, but if there was just us in the world on this island, I would deal with it a lot better than most people.

 

 

 

 

England would have been annexed with Germany along with the rest of Europe had America not got involved in WWII.

 

I'm sure Stevie would love to be a "Kraut"

[Guest Stevie]

I don't mind what foreign cunts call us to be honest, why would we care???? What would you rather be called Roast Beef or a Frog, Roast Beef is lovely. I was speaking to this yank at work the other day and he couldn't believe the fact that I didn't know what state his home town of St Louis was. Why the fuck should I know, I've got absolutely no interest in America, and will happily admit I know fuck all about the place. They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for us. Call me xenophobic, but if there was just us in the world on this island, I would deal with it a lot better than most people.

 

 

 

 

England would have been annexed with Germany along with the rest of Europe had America not got involved in WWII.

 

I'm sure Stevie would love to be a "Kraut"

There were 300,000 Americans who came over for the ground war in Northern France, Belgium and the push in to Holland etc... there were over 3m British troops, so it always baffles me when people come out with statements like the Americans "saved" us. How the fuck did they save us? No one saved us, the krauts didn't even dare attempt a land invasion on us, it was part of the war they were highly unlikely to be able to win, mainly because of geography in us being an island. No one saved us, the krauts couldn't even win the Battle of Britain with more planes and more sophisticated planes. As for the yanks, they couldn't save anything. It's a true fact that had the Nips attacked the West Coast of yankland in 1941, they could have took half the country with minimal resistance because America wasn't prepared, the same as in general we weren't prepared at the start of the war. The Krauts had been preparing for 10 years with an army of over 20m people, we did well, and deserve to say we won the war because we did. America's biggest contribution in my eyes was arming us, because they provided a lot of the artillery for us and the Russians.

 

We fought the western front single handed with odds against us for a long time, but I will say we probably would've been fucked if the Russians hadn't have battered them on the other side, that's not in doubt, because that kept a huge amount of the Kraut forces busy. America's contribution though? Nah. In a rare show of humility the French President even said we owe England a huge debt of gratitude for liberating France in the war, no mention of America there.

 

They should never have bombed Nagasaki neither the absolute cunts, the nips were about to surrender, the yanks showed their capabilities at Hiroshima, if they really needed to show their might again, why not detonate a bomb off shore from Tokyo, a statement saying that's what you'll get if yous don't chuck it? But no, not the yanks, another 50,000 dead in a milisecond. So the yanks contribution to WW2 was minimal apart from being cunts, the true victors were ourselves more so than anyone for being the first cunts to stand up to the krauts, and keep it going for 6 years despite being outnumbered, and of course the Russians who deserve a lot of praise, shame it took them another 40 years to fuck off though, but that's another story.

 

One last thing about the yanks, they can't win a war on their own, they're shit. Even in Vietnam faced with an army armed with little more than spears in places, they got battered, 58,000 dead. They're shit. Even in the Gulf the British troops there are in as much danger as the Iraqi insurgents with the amount of "friendly" fire, that has went on. I don't think there was ever an incident of us killing any of them in friendly fire, incompetent dense yank cunts.

Edited June 24, 2008 by Stevie

[sammynb 3353]

We fought the western front single handed with odds against us for a long time, but I will say we probably would've been fucked if the Russians hadn't have battered them on the other side, that's not in doubt, because that kept a huge amount of the Kraut forces busy.

 

TBH the cold of the western front killed more axis forces than the US and turned the war for the allies.

More good luck than good management from either Ingerlund or the united states of colonel sanders.

[Guest Stevie]

We fought the western front single handed with odds against us for a long time, but I will say we probably would've been fucked if the Russians hadn't have battered them on the other side, that's not in doubt, because that kept a huge amount of the Kraut forces busy.

 

TBH the cold of the western front killed more axis forces than the US and turned the war for the allies.

More good luck than good management from either Ingerlund or the united states of colonel sanders.

You thick cunt. That was the Eastern front that killed people of cold.

[Guest alex]

I don't mind what foreign cunts call us to be honest, why would we care???? What would you rather be called Roast Beef or a Frog, Roast Beef is lovely. I was speaking to this yank at work the other day and he couldn't believe the fact that I didn't know what state his home town of St Louis was. Why the fuck should I know, I've got absolutely no interest in America, and will happily admit I know fuck all about the place. They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for us. Call me xenophobic, but if there was just us in the world on this island, I would deal with it a lot better than most people.

 

 

 

 

England would have been annexed with Germany along with the rest of Europe had America not got involved in WWII.

 

I'm sure Stevie would love to be a "Kraut"

There were 300,000 Americans who came over for the ground war in Northern France, Belgium and the push in to Holland etc... there were over 3m British troops, so it always baffles me when people come out with statements like the Americans "saved" us. How the fuck did they save us? No one saved us, the krauts didn't even dare attempt a land invasion on us, it was part of the war they were highly unlikely to be able to win, mainly because of geography in us being an island. No one saved us, the krauts couldn't even win the Battle of Britain with more planes and more sophisticated planes. As for the yanks, they couldn't save anything. It's a true fact that had the Nips attacked the West Coast of yankland in 1941, they could have took half the country with minimal resistance because America wasn't prepared, the same as in general we weren't prepared at the start of the war. The Krauts had been preparing for 10 years with an army of over 20m people, we did well, and deserve to say we won the war because we did. America's biggest contribution in my eyes was arming us, because they provided a lot of the artillery for us and the Russians.

 

We fought the western front single handed with odds against us for a long time, but I will say we probably would've been fucked if the Russians hadn't have battered them on the other side, that's not in doubt, because that kept a huge amount of the Kraut forces busy. America's contribution though? Nah. In a rare show of humility the French President even said we owe England a huge debt of gratitude for liberating France in the war, no mention of America there.

 

They should never have bombed Nagasaki neither the absolute cunts, the nips were about to surrender, the yanks showed their capabilities at Hiroshima, if they really needed to show their might again, why not detonate a bomb off shore from Tokyo, a statement saying that's what you'll get if yous don't chuck it? But no, not the yanks, another 50,000 dead in a milisecond. So the yanks contribution to WW2 was minimal apart from being cunts, the true victors were ourselves more so than anyone for being the first cunts to stand up to the krauts, and keep it going for 6 years despite being outnumbered, and of course the Russians who deserve a lot of praise, shame it took them another 40 years to fuck off though, but that's another story.

 

One last thing about the yanks, they can't win a war on their own, they're shit. Even in Vietnam faced with an army armed with little more than spears in places, they got battered, 58,000 dead. They're shit. Even in the Gulf the British troops there are in as much danger as the Iraqi insurgents with the amount of "friendly" fire, that has went on. I don't think there was ever an incident of us killing any of them in friendly fire, incompetent dense yank cunts.

The Americans were very important though Stevie. Who do you think win the war in the Pacific against the Japanese. They also supplied a lot of manpower and bore the brunt of some of the worst aspects of D-Day (again very important in winning the war). Obviously the Soviets were crucial too, especially in the defeat of Germany.

And RADAR won us the Battle of Britain.

Btw, the reason the British were cited and the Americans weren't mentioned in the recent speech by Sarkozy is because it was at a banquet for the British PM. Nice gesture though because I think it still gets their goat that they owe us so much (to paraphrase Churchill).

As for Nagasaki, you can argue about the rights and wrongs of that but to take that out of context and not consider the horrendous atrocities committed by all the other countries in the war is unfair.

Finally the Americans were winning the war until the changed their tactics and, to repeat the well-worn phrase, began fighting with one arm tied behind their backs. They were hardly 'battered' if were talking casualties either. The US ones were heavy but there were over 2m Vietnamese killed iirc. It was a stupid and pointless though.

[Fop 1]

I don't mind what foreign cunts call us to be honest, why would we care???? What would you rather be called Roast Beef or a Frog, Roast Beef is lovely. I was speaking to this yank at work the other day and he couldn't believe the fact that I didn't know what state his home town of St Louis was. Why the fuck should I know, I've got absolutely no interest in America, and will happily admit I know fuck all about the place. They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for us. Call me xenophobic, but if there was just us in the world on this island, I would deal with it a lot better than most people.

 

 

 

 

England would have been annexed with Germany along with the rest of Europe had America not got involved in WWII.

 

I'm sure Stevie would love to be a "Kraut"

 

Probably russian (if that's not racist terminology ) which is pretty ironic as we're now pretty much controlled by soviet style councils.

[sammynb 3353]

We fought the western front single handed with odds against us for a long time, but I will say we probably would've been fucked if the Russians hadn't have battered them on the other side, that's not in doubt, because that kept a huge amount of the Kraut forces busy.

 

TBH the cold of the western front killed more axis forces than the US and turned the war for the allies.

More good luck than good management from either Ingerlund or the united states of colonel sanders.

You thick cunt. That was the Eastern front that killed people of cold.

 

Too true twat features, glad you at least know a little.

[sammynb 3353]

I don't mind what foreign cunts call us to be honest, why would we care???? What would you rather be called Roast Beef or a Frog, Roast Beef is lovely. I was speaking to this yank at work the other day and he couldn't believe the fact that I didn't know what state his home town of St Louis was. Why the fuck should I know, I've got absolutely no interest in America, and will happily admit I know fuck all about the place. They wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for us. Call me xenophobic, but if there was just us in the world on this island, I would deal with it a lot better than most people.

 

 

 

 

England would have been annexed with Germany along with the rest of Europe had America not got involved in WWII.

 

I'm sure Stevie would love to be a "Kraut"

There were 300,000 Americans who came over for the ground war in Northern France, Belgium and the push in to Holland etc... there were over 3m British troops, so it always baffles me when people come out with statements like the Americans "saved" us. How the fuck did they save us? No one saved us, the krauts didn't even dare attempt a land invasion on us, it was part of the war they were highly unlikely to be able to win, mainly because of geography in us being an island. No one saved us, the krauts couldn't even win the Battle of Britain with more planes and more sophisticated planes. As for the yanks, they couldn't save anything. It's a true fact that had the Nips attacked the West Coast of yankland in 1941, they could have took half the country with minimal resistance because America wasn't prepared, the same as in general we weren't prepared at the start of the war. The Krauts had been preparing for 10 years with an army of over 20m people, we did well, and deserve to say we won the war because we did. America's biggest contribution in my eyes was arming us, because they provided a lot of the artillery for us and the Russians.

 

We fought the western front single handed with odds against us for a long time, but I will say we probably would've been fucked if the Russians hadn't have battered them on the other side, that's not in doubt, because that kept a huge amount of the Kraut forces busy. America's contribution though? Nah. In a rare show of humility the French President even said we owe England a huge debt of gratitude for liberating France in the war, no mention of America there.

 

They should never have bombed Nagasaki neither the absolute cunts, the nips were about to surrender, the yanks showed their capabilities at Hiroshima, if they really needed to show their might again, why not detonate a bomb off shore from Tokyo, a statement saying that's what you'll get if yous don't chuck it? But no, not the yanks, another 50,000 dead in a milisecond. So the yanks contribution to WW2 was minimal apart from being cunts, the true victors were ourselves more so than anyone for being the first cunts to stand up to the krauts, and keep it going for 6 years despite being outnumbered, and of course the Russians who deserve a lot of praise, shame it took them another 40 years to fuck off though, but that's another story.

 

One last thing about the yanks, they can't win a war on their own, they're shit. Even in Vietnam faced with an army armed with little more than spears in places, they got battered, 58,000 dead. They're shit. Even in the Gulf the British troops there are in as much danger as the Iraqi insurgents with the amount of "friendly" fire, that has went on. I don't think there was ever an incident of us killing any of them in friendly fire, incompetent dense yank cunts.

The Americans were very important though Stevie. Who do you think win the war in the Pacific against the Japanese. They also supplied a lot of manpower and bore the brunt of some of the worst aspects of D-Day (again very important in winning the war). Obviously the Soviets were crucial too, especially in the defeat of Germany.

And RADAR won us the Battle of Britain.

Btw, the reason the British were cited and the Americans weren't mentioned in the recent speech by Sarkozy is because it was at a banquet for the British PM. Nice gesture though because I think it still gets their goat that they owe us so much (to paraphrase Churchill).

As for Nagasaki, you can argue about the rights and wrongs of that but to take that out of context and not consider the horrendous atrocities committed by all the other countries in the war is unfair.

Finally the Americans were winning the war until the changed their tactics and, to repeat the well-worn phrase, began fighting with one arm tied behind their backs. They were hardly 'battered' if were talking casualties either. The US ones were heavy but there were over 2m Vietnamese killed iirc. It was a stupid and pointless though.

 

A bit like some of the arguments this place generates somedays.

[Guest Stevie]

We fought the western front single handed with odds against us for a long time, but I will say we probably would've been fucked if the Russians hadn't have battered them on the other side, that's not in doubt, because that kept a huge amount of the Kraut forces busy.

 

TBH the cold of the western front killed more axis forces than the US and turned the war for the allies.

More good luck than good management from either Ingerlund or the united states of colonel sanders.

You thick cunt. That was the Eastern front that killed people of cold.

 

Too true twat features, glad you at least know a little.

Why say it was the Western Front then? You odious Australian imbecile.

[Park Life 71]

Is it alright if I refer to the English on the board as Limeys?

The thing is though from my point of view, I've got nothing against you as a person, but if America didn't exist I'd barely notice or care, so whatever names foreigners have for us however derogatory they are, I simply don't care because to me you as a country don't care, and I have no interest in how you think or how your peoples perceptions of things are. Insignificant to me, that's what I mean so I could never take offence as a Geordie and an Englishman.

 

 

It was meant as a joke. My fiancee (who is English) finds the concept of the term "Limey" as being derogatory funny considering it is a term used when the English figured out how to fight scurvy.

 

As for your views on the US: to clarify, are you saying that since the US doesn't care (as a nation) than you don't care about us?

 

If that is the case that is perfectly acceptable. The reasons that I stand up (when it comes to the American/Yank thing) is the stereotyping that usually comes along with it.

Well I know you're not all fat cunts who will die of heart disease at 40, and who think the Superbowl is the most watched event on earth (The Carling Cup was more watched world wide which sums it up), just most of you.

 

To clarify what you asked me about, whether USA people care as a nation is inconsequential to me, that's what I meant, I simply don't care. I don't know anything about your country, we don't even get taught about your history in our schools, partly because you don't have much history, and secondly because no one cares.

 

 

Interesting about the Superbowl. I wasn't able to find the TV Ratings for the Carling Cup but the last Superbowl was close to 100 mil. Superbowl Ratings

 

Out of interest, what history classes are taught in UK schools regarding countries other than your own. Please keep in mind that I am a teacher and this actually does interest me and I am not trying to be condescending in any way. As for the lack of history in the US.. Let me once again apologize for that. The English should have colonized us a lot earlier.

 

With the last 10ish years edumication policy? Probably be lucky to get across the channel.

 

But more historically every thing from ancient Greece to Roman Britain (which intrinsically roped in much of the ancient world) feudal wars, crusades, protestant/catholic wars, right though to colonisation/Empire, which combined with causes and aftermaths of WW1 and WW2 and the cold war and you've not only covered most of the world, but also most of the roots of most 20th and 21st centuries problems. In fact I struggle to think of many things I wasn't taught about, but then my history teacher was pretty first class and I suspect much of that may well be a bit unfashionable these days.

 

 

Or more succinctly:

Just about countries we've battered really.

Which is pretty true (or been battered by).

 

American high school students (the 9th - 12th years) have to take a year of World History and if they choose they can later on take a course specifically to European History.

 

As for the Star Wars reference... maybe that is Empire Envy But that happened a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away so I don't know if us Yanks can handle that.

 

 

 

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[Park Life 71]

It was Germany's massive loses on the Russian front that turned the war. iirc America came in for a few days at the end with chewing gum and ice cream for all which was nice....Of course after years of casual war profiteering. In saying that the American soldiers that fought in Europe were excellent and by all accounts very brave.

Edited June 24, 2008 by Park Life