Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Anyway, there were still two games left iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Whether it happened or not too much is made of it anyway basically imo. What I mean by that is fans can be twats-it just comes with the territory-but it's irrelevant. It's for the club management to show judgment and leadership and one a prime way of doing this is to ignore fans when they're having an 'emotional' reaction, and employ cool headed, longer term thinking. Man U fans wanted rid of SAF after they blew the title to Leeds and at least once prior to them winning the Cup Winner Cup. They're fortunate because the management of the club decided they knew better than the fans-and they did. Leazes might well have heard a few boos, who knows? It's a big enough stadium. The problem is he tries to use it as some sort of justification for Shepherd's dismissal of Robson, when it isnt. It was just poor judgment and leadership. Hindsight but fact. sacking robson, in particular in that manner, then replacign him with souness was when i lost all respect for shepherd. it was a ridiculous decision and one that the old regime never really recovered from. shame really as we had such a chance to kick on. it said a lot that we were all gutted to only finish 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The sacking of Robson came later but anyone who tries to pretend that something hadn't gone seriously awry in that side in the 12 months since we came 3rd is also guilty of revisionism. That's not saying it was irretrievable but there was a sense of having lost the players. The senior cabal, lead by Shearer, was no longer in love with Sir Bobby after he'd been prepared to sell the club captain to Liverpool (perhaps rightly in retrospect) and had been overruled by the board. The younger players were taking the piss once they saw the older heads were in full support of the manager. Obviously we were still a decent side but that side was achieving nothing like its potential any more. How much that was Robson's fault and how much he was undermined is open to conjecture but it's daft to suggest all was rosey in the garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The sacking of Robson came later but anyone who tries to pretend that something hadn't gone seriously awry in that side in the 12 months since we came 3rd is also guilty of revisionism. That's not saying it was irretrievable but there was a sense of having lost the players. The senior cabal, lead by Shearer, was no longer in love with Sir Bobby after he'd been prepared to sell the club captain to Liverpool (perhaps rightly in retrospect) and had been overruled by the board. The younger players were taking the piss once they saw the older heads were in full support of the manager. Obviously we were still a decent side but that side was achieving nothing like its potential any more. How much that was Robson's fault and how much he was undermined is open to conjecture but it's daft to suggest all was rosey in the garden. Aye but the consensus always seemed to be that that team were 'overachieving' anyway. Not that that contradicts or supports your point, it's just the context of it. So I dunno if he'd 'lost it' or whether it was just it wasn't sustainable with certain players, and others needing adding to refresh things. Tbh it felt like it was always on a bit of a knife edge with some of the twattish personalities in that side. Very talented twats though, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Fair comment. The £50m Souness got probably would come in handy on that score. Although that was another year down the line. And Gemmill's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Fair comment. The £50m Souness got probably would come in handy on that score. Although that was another year down the line. And Gemmill's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 4. Dalgleish - 6/10 - Could have been good. Wasn't given enough time. 5. Pardew - 6/10 - Puppet of Ashley. Debatable how much he has to do with purchases. Baffling team selections at times. But doing well. WUM confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The sacking of Robson came later but anyone who tries to pretend that something hadn't gone seriously awry in that side in the 12 months since we came 3rd is also guilty of revisionism. That's not saying it was irretrievable but there was a sense of having lost the players. The senior cabal, lead by Shearer, was no longer in love with Sir Bobby after he'd been prepared to sell the club captain to Liverpool (perhaps rightly in retrospect) and had been overruled by the board. The younger players were taking the piss once they saw the older heads were in full support of the manager. Obviously we were still a decent side but that side was achieving nothing like its potential any more. How much that was Robson's fault and how much he was undermined is open to conjecture but it's daft to suggest all was rosey in the garden. not revisionst at all. i said at the time that we shouldn't sack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) http://fansonline.ne...icle.php?id=558 I was at that game and it's fucking bollocks. The stadium wasn't a quarter full at full-time but there were inevitably a few boos due to the shite performance. The revisionists have subsequently made out that that got Robson the sack when it was in fact the pathetic actions of the last board that did exactly that. The only sensible conclusion to be drawn, unless you don't want to learn from mistakes made. Which just seems an absurd viewpoint. Shepherd was ploughing the same furrow when he appointed Roeder (the 'fans choice') etc. Plot was beyond lost by then mind you. you clearly weren't there. The link isn't to an article by me, its to an article made by another guy who goes to games and has a comprehensive knowledge of the club, which Monkeys Fist will acknowledge. As usual, you can't get your head out of your arse and acknowledge anything, and you say others have mental problems. You are a fucking wanker sunshine, an utter wanker. Edited February 10, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9934 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Gordon Lee, decent record but not a popular bloke, for several reasons http://www.toon1892.co.uk/detail_manager.php?id=12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) 4. Dalgleish - 6/10 - Could have been good. Wasn't given enough time. 5. Pardew - 6/10 - Puppet of Ashley. Debatable how much he has to do with purchases. Baffling team selections at times. But doing well. WUM confirmed. I never liked Dalglish, even the day he was appointed I wasn't happy, but in looking at the premier league game records I was reminded he was sacked 2 games into the season without a loss. Fucking daft tbf. Edited February 10, 2012 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 i don't think falling from 3rd to 5th meant something serious had gone wrong. there were embarrasing incidents, like partizan belgrade tie and the bowyer/dyer scuffle, and a decline in results but we were still mixing it up with the top teams. something went serioulsy wrong when we appointed souness. if the owners really did want robson out they should have done it in the summer with some dignity and given themselves time to find a better replacement than that dour twat souness. who was it that used to call him the scottish fuck pig on here by the way - was that leazesmag or someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The sacking of Robson came later but anyone who tries to pretend that something hadn't gone seriously awry in that side in the 12 months since we came 3rd is also guilty of revisionism. That's not saying it was irretrievable but there was a sense of having lost the players. The senior cabal, lead by Shearer, was no longer in love with Sir Bobby after he'd been prepared to sell the club captain to Liverpool (perhaps rightly in retrospect) and had been overruled by the board. The younger players were taking the piss once they saw the older heads were in full support of the manager. Obviously we were still a decent side but that side was achieving nothing like its potential any more. How much that was Robson's fault and how much he was undermined is open to conjecture but it's daft to suggest all was rosey in the garden. not revisionst at all. i said at the time that we shouldn't sack him. I've bolded who I said was guilty of revisionism. That much was true whether you thought sacking him was right or not. He had lost the ability to make the players perform to previous levels. We were poor that season, relatively. I remember thinking at various points that I couldn't quite work out how we were in the top 5. Where have I said you've changed your view on the sacking like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 4. Dalgleish - 6/10 - Could have been good. Wasn't given enough time. 5. Pardew - 6/10 - Puppet of Ashley. Debatable how much he has to do with purchases. Baffling team selections at times. But doing well. WUM confirmed. Stop with the agenda against me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 i don't think falling from 3rd to 5th meant something serious had gone wrong. there were embarrasing incidents, like partizan belgrade tie and the bowyer/dyer scuffle, and a decline in results but we were still mixing it up with the top teams. something went serioulsy wrong when we appointed souness. if the owners really did want robson out they should have done it in the summer with some dignity and given themselves time to find a better replacement than that dour twat souness. who was it that used to call him the scottish fuck pig on here by the way - was that leazesmag or someone else? The Bowyer Dyer incident wasn't even that season man. It was after Robson had left. A perfect example there of not remember things as they really were tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 i don't think falling from 3rd to 5th meant something serious had gone wrong. there were embarrasing incidents, like partizan belgrade tie and the bowyer/dyer scuffle, and a decline in results but we were still mixing it up with the top teams. something went serioulsy wrong when we appointed souness. if the owners really did want robson out they should have done it in the summer with some dignity and given themselves time to find a better replacement than that dour twat souness. who was it that used to call him the scottish fuck pig on here by the way - was that leazesmag or someone else? The Bowyer Dyer incident wasn't even that season man. It was after Robson had left. A perfect example there of not remember things as they really were tbh. haha, manc mag too, but I don't believe a word he says most of the time anyway. Either that or he needs help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The sacking of Robson came later but anyone who tries to pretend that something hadn't gone seriously awry in that side in the 12 months since we came 3rd is also guilty of revisionism. That's not saying it was irretrievable but there was a sense of having lost the players. The senior cabal, lead by Shearer, was no longer in love with Sir Bobby after he'd been prepared to sell the club captain to Liverpool (perhaps rightly in retrospect) and had been overruled by the board. The younger players were taking the piss once they saw the older heads were in full support of the manager. Obviously we were still a decent side but that side was achieving nothing like its potential any more. How much that was Robson's fault and how much he was undermined is open to conjecture but it's daft to suggest all was rosey in the garden. not revisionst at all. i said at the time that we shouldn't sack him. I've bolded who I said was guilty of revisionism. That much was true whether you thought sacking him was right or not. He had lost the ability to make the players perform to previous levels. We were poor that season, relatively. I remember thinking at various points that I couldn't quite work out how we were in the top 5. Where have I said you've changed your view on the sacking like? i just don't agree that the decline in the squad was that serious - we only slipped two places - certainly not serious enough to warrant sacking him anyway. i remember what the consensus was on this board at the time. yeah, we declined, but who's to say we wouldn't have bounced back the following season? it was sacking him two games in that i couldn't fathom. i would have liked to have seen what robson would have done with the kind of backing they gave souness. all in the past now like but i will always remember that day the news broke as a dark one. it was a shocking decision excacerbated by the decisions that followed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 .com's report of the Wolves match. http://www.nufc.com/html/2004-05-09wolves-h.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) i don't think falling from 3rd to 5th meant something serious had gone wrong. there were embarrasing incidents, like partizan belgrade tie and the bowyer/dyer scuffle, and a decline in results but we were still mixing it up with the top teams. something went serioulsy wrong when we appointed souness. if the owners really did want robson out they should have done it in the summer with some dignity and given themselves time to find a better replacement than that dour twat souness. who was it that used to call him the scottish fuck pig on here by the way - was that leazesmag or someone else? The Bowyer Dyer incident wasn't even that season man. It was after Robson had left. A perfect example there of not remember things as they really were tbh. fair enough, my mistake. either way, it shows those problems were still there there even after robson, who had apparently lost the dressing room, was sacked. i don't think souness ever had the dressing room to lose tbh. Edited February 10, 2012 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 .com's report of the Wolves match. http://www.nufc.com/...09wolves-h.html those boys are unlikely to have reported it incorrectly. i'll take that as proof there was booing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 .com's report of the Wolves match. http://www.nufc.com/...09wolves-h.html well spotted. Maybe now manc mag will go and have the long awaited surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 .com's report of the Wolves match. http://www.nufc.com/...09wolves-h.html those boys are unlikely to have reported it incorrectly. i'll take that as proof there was booing. fine, but you ought to have taken my word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 .com's report of the Wolves match. http://www.nufc.com/...09wolves-h.html those boys are unlikely to have reported it incorrectly. i'll take that as proof there was booing. Would you take it as proof there were serious problems in the squad too then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 .com's report of the Wolves match. http://www.nufc.com/...09wolves-h.html those boys are unlikely to have reported it incorrectly. i'll take that as proof there was booing. fine, but you ought to have taken my word for it. States I was right actually as the season wasn't finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Anyway, there were still two games left iirc. We needed to wins to get in the CL, we had a game on the Thursday neet at Southampton 3-3 draw where Ambrose scored an injury time equaliser, then a 1-1 draw at Anfield when Shola scored with his left foot and it bobbled about 20 times before going in. I can't remember any boos against Wolves tbh, people just fuck off. The worst end of season boos were against Blackburn when we had nee strikers and lost 0-2, FFS last as chairman, the atmosphere was fucking poisonous, I seem to remember me bellowing "ya faaaat cunt" indiscriminately, and I remember looking at FFS stood there in the Milburn stand taking it all, in full credit to him. A few weeks later he was in hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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