Avram Grant sacked.

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Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Felipe Scolari are among those on Chelsea's shortlist for the managerial job, BBC sports editor Mihir Bose has learned.

 

But Guus Hiddink, Frank Rijkaard and Sven Goran-Eriksson are not major contenders to replace Avram Grant.

 

Former Juventus coach Didier Deschamps has also said he is on the list.

 

Mancini could be available for the post, after his agent claimed his client was no longer the coach of Italian champions Inter Milan.

 

 

 

If Mancini does come there will be one hell of a power struggle between the Dutch, Russian, Jewish and Italian mafias at the Bridge.

Dutch?

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Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Felipe Scolari are among those on Chelsea's shortlist for the managerial job, BBC sports editor Mihir Bose has learned.

 

But Guus Hiddink, Frank Rijkaard and Sven Goran-Eriksson are not major contenders to replace Avram Grant.

 

Former Juventus coach Didier Deschamps has also said he is on the list.

 

Mancini could be available for the post, after his agent claimed his client was no longer the coach of Italian champions Inter Milan.

 

 

 

If Mancini does come there will be one hell of a power struggle between the Dutch, Russian, Jewish and Italian mafias at the Bridge.

Dutch?

 

Ten Cats and his crew of scouts, hippies, chief scouts, Amstel boys, Doffs etc..This was the lot who ganged up on Mourinho.

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Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Felipe Scolari are among those on Chelsea's shortlist for the managerial job, BBC sports editor Mihir Bose has learned.

 

But Guus Hiddink, Frank Rijkaard and Sven Goran-Eriksson are not major contenders to replace Avram Grant.

 

Former Juventus coach Didier Deschamps has also said he is on the list.

 

Mancini could be available for the post, after his agent claimed his client was no longer the coach of Italian champions Inter Milan.

 

 

 

If Mancini does come there will be one hell of a power struggle between the Dutch, Russian, Jewish and Italian mafias at the Bridge.

Dutch?

 

Ten Cats and his crew of scouts, hippies, chief scouts, Amstel boys, Doffs etc..This was the lot who ganged up on Mourinho.

Right. My cousin reckoned him and Steve Clarke were going too but he's staying I assume? That in itself tells you a bit about the problems behind the scenes at Chelsea if they've been told they're staying regardless of who the new manager is.

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I can't believe any manager currently in work would be interested.

 

Pourquoi?

 

Why leave a secure job to go to one where you're sacked after less than a season in charge, even if you're within a whisker of winning the treble.

 

No such thing in football.

 

You don't think Fergie's sitting comfortably?

If Hughes, for example, was the next manager after Ferguson at Old Trafford he wouldn't be in a particular secure position for a while at least, would he? Ferguson's position is unique, especially at a club of that or similar stature.

 

My point being there is such a thing as a secure job in football.

Right. Very few and far between though.

I dunno how secure it would have been if a few things had gone just a little better for Chelski (or indeed Newcastle). It's hard to say how secure he really is, as Man U and therefore Fergy have been in a position of strength since he almost was sacked (it's like comparing "good times" Blair to "hard times" Brown). I could never have seen him going after 2nd in the League and 2nd in the Champions league, but if they had gone 2-3 seasons without a trophy you never know.

It's secure based on what has happened rather than what might have happened. Obviously security is a relative thing but it's just about the safest job in English Football alongside Dario Gradi at Crewe. Which is quite remarkable given the difference in the expectation levels at the two clubs.

 

Yep it is, but I still reckon 2-3 relatively poor seasons on the trot would be/have maybe been enough to see him off. And in football it doesn't take much, for example a 6 month injury to Ronaldo this season and Man U would have likely been trophyless.

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Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Felipe Scolari are among those on Chelsea's shortlist for the managerial job, BBC sports editor Mihir Bose has learned.

 

But Guus Hiddink, Frank Rijkaard and Sven Goran-Eriksson are not major contenders to replace Avram Grant.

 

Former Juventus coach Didier Deschamps has also said he is on the list.

 

Mancini could be available for the post, after his agent claimed his client was no longer the coach of Italian champions Inter Milan.

 

 

 

If Mancini does come there will be one hell of a power struggle between the Dutch, Russian, Jewish and Italian mafias at the Bridge.

Dutch?

 

Ten Cats and his crew of scouts, hippies, chief scouts, Amstel boys, Doffs etc..This was the lot who ganged up on Mourinho.

Right. My cousin reckoned him and Steve Clarke were going too but he's staying I assume? That in itself tells you a bit about the problems behind the scenes at Chelsea if they've been told they're staying regardless of who the new manager is.

 

Granted the scenario is more convoluted than even ours.

 

They had to keep TC on cause Avram is essentially a virgin at this level is what I heard. He was primarily given the job cause of his 'friendship' with Roman (who actually is probably too nice for an oligarch), and at the time the key targets (Hiddink and Rijkaard) weren't available. TC actually along with the Dutch phalanx actually suggested Van Basten . There was constant warring between the former Portugese contingent and the big Dutch ego's with Arnesen leading the field in behind the scenes arse biting. Throw into the mix Roman personally buying players (Schev and last summers trip to Barca to talk to Ronny personally) and it is basically a cauldron. All I know about Steve Clarke is that he doesn't get on with Ten Cats.

 

But all worthwhile if you have the tools for a crack at the title imo.

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Souness for Chelsea!! (I hope)

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Souness for Chelsea!! (I hope)

 

They should have gone for Klinsmann who would have delivered the football Roman is looking for.

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Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Felipe Scolari are among those on Chelsea's shortlist for the managerial job, BBC sports editor Mihir Bose has learned.

 

But Guus Hiddink, Frank Rijkaard and Sven Goran-Eriksson are not major contenders to replace Avram Grant.

 

Former Juventus coach Didier Deschamps has also said he is on the list.

 

Mancini could be available for the post, after his agent claimed his client was no longer the coach of Italian champions Inter Milan.

 

 

 

If Mancini does come there will be one hell of a power struggle between the Dutch, Russian, Jewish and Italian mafias at the Bridge.

Dutch?

 

Ten Cats and his crew of scouts, hippies, chief scouts, Amstel boys, Doffs etc..This was the lot who ganged up on Mourinho.

Right. My cousin reckoned him and Steve Clarke were going too but he's staying I assume? That in itself tells you a bit about the problems behind the scenes at Chelsea if they've been told they're staying regardless of who the new manager is.

 

Granted the scenario is more convoluted than even ours.

 

They had to keep TC on cause Avram is essentially a virgin at this level is what I heard. He was primarily given the job cause of his 'friendship' with Roman (who actually is probably too nice for an oligarch), and at the time the key targets (Hiddink and Rijkaard) weren't available. TC actually along with the Dutch phalanx actually suggested Van Basten . There was constant warring between the former Portugese contingent and the big Dutch ego's with Arnesen leading the field in behind the scenes arse biting. Throw into the mix Roman personally buying players (Schev and last summers trip to Barca to talk to Ronny personally) and it is basically a cauldron. All I know about Steve Clarke is that he doesn't get on with Ten Cats.

 

But all worthwhile if you have the tools for a crack at the title imo.

I can't understand the Grant thing - he's Roman's mate, yet he did well and still got the sack. Ok, he might have been just a stop-gap but didn't he get a 3 year contract? You'd think it would only be fair to give him the opportunity to show what he can do with his own players when he did well with someone else's team. Maybe the length of the contract was just for appearance's sake and I know it's peanuts to Abramovich. Even so, I find that a pretty obscene waste of money, if true.

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I still reckon 2-3 relatively poor seasons on the trot would be/have maybe been enough to see him off. And in football it doesn't take much, for example a 6 month injury to Ronaldo this season and Man U would have likely been trophyless.

 

2004, 2005, and 2006 were pretty lean for Fergie/Man U.

 

If Grant had won the league cup do you reckon it would have saved him?

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Mark Hughes, Roberto Mancini and Felipe Scolari are among those on Chelsea's shortlist for the managerial job, BBC sports editor Mihir Bose has learned.

 

But Guus Hiddink, Frank Rijkaard and Sven Goran-Eriksson are not major contenders to replace Avram Grant.

 

Former Juventus coach Didier Deschamps has also said he is on the list.

 

Mancini could be available for the post, after his agent claimed his client was no longer the coach of Italian champions Inter Milan.

 

 

 

If Mancini does come there will be one hell of a power struggle between the Dutch, Russian, Jewish and Italian mafias at the Bridge.

Dutch?

 

Ten Cats and his crew of scouts, hippies, chief scouts, Amstel boys, Doffs etc..This was the lot who ganged up on Mourinho.

Right. My cousin reckoned him and Steve Clarke were going too but he's staying I assume? That in itself tells you a bit about the problems behind the scenes at Chelsea if they've been told they're staying regardless of who the new manager is.

 

Granted the scenario is more convoluted than even ours.

 

They had to keep TC on cause Avram is essentially a virgin at this level is what I heard. He was primarily given the job cause of his 'friendship' with Roman (who actually is probably too nice for an oligarch), and at the time the key targets (Hiddink and Rijkaard) weren't available. TC actually along with the Dutch phalanx actually suggested Van Basten . There was constant warring between the former Portugese contingent and the big Dutch ego's with Arnesen leading the field in behind the scenes arse biting. Throw into the mix Roman personally buying players (Schev and last summers trip to Barca to talk to Ronny personally) and it is basically a cauldron. All I know about Steve Clarke is that he doesn't get on with Ten Cats.

 

But all worthwhile if you have the tools for a crack at the title imo.

I can't understand the Grant thing - he's Roman's mate, yet he did well and still got the sack. Ok, he might have been just a stop-gap but didn't he get a 3 year contract? You'd think it would only be fair to give him the opportunity to show what he can do with his own players when he did well with someone else's team. Maybe the length of the contract was just for appearance's sake and I know it's peanuts to Abramovich. Even so, I find that a pretty obscene waste of money, if true.

 

Ultimately Avram's media image and his failure to convert the side willingly to 442 is what's done for him. Also I think perhaps we underestimate the lack of respect the senior players have for him.

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I still reckon 2-3 relatively poor seasons on the trot would be/have maybe been enough to see him off. And in football it doesn't take much, for example a 6 month injury to Ronaldo this season and Man U would have likely been trophyless.

 

2004, 2005, and 2006 were pretty lean for Fergie/Man U.

 

If Grant had won the league cup do you reckon it would have saved him?

 

No.

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Ultimately Avram's media image and his failure to convert the side willingly to 442 is what's done for him. Also I think perhaps we underestimate the lack of respect the senior players have for him.

I saw the 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 as pragmatism, given the players he had / the system they were used to playing. I think his failure to play more attractive football was possibly what did for him. I'm not sure what Abramovich's wants exactly though. Especially given the managers being linked with the job. If he wants good football he should have got KK in

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This manager thing actually might be the least of their worries. Roman has recently taken a heavy liking to the fine art scene and has started collecting prodigiously. There is talk of sponsoring major shows in St Petersburg and Moscow. He's got 3 yachts in build and is spending huge amounts of time building business in Latvia and Moscow. He wants to get into space etc etc...I have a feeling he could walk away.

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This manager thing actually might be the least of their worries. Roman has recently taken a heavy liking to the fine art scene and has started collecting prodigiously. There is talk of sponsoring major shows in St Petersburg and Moscow. He's got 3 yachts in build and is spending huge amounts of time building business in Latvia and Moscow. He wants to get into space etc etc...I have a feeling he could walk away.

I was just thinking along the same lines, especially re: the Francis Bacon and Lucien Freud purchases of late. Also, did you see him when Terry missed? He was smiling. Is he really that arsed?

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This manager thing actually might be the least of their worries. Roman has recently taken a heavy liking to the fine art scene and has started collecting prodigiously. There is talk of sponsoring major shows in St Petersburg and Moscow. He's got 3 yachts in build and is spending huge amounts of time building business in Latvia and Moscow. He wants to get into space etc etc...I have a feeling he could walk away.

I was just thinking along the same lines, especially re: the Francis Bacon and Lucien Freud purchases of late. Also, did you see him when Terry missed? He was smiling. Is he really that arsed?

 

I'm in contact occasionally with one of his 'buyers' here and she was given a season pass to his box at the bridge, which tells me he really wants to build something and wants other people to enjoy it along with him. There will be 8 plasma's on his new boat, primarily for footie watching. I think it's a catch 22 as he wants beautiful football but also winning football which is mightily difficult to deliver. Yes I think there is a time limit and attention span issue and the next manager will perhaps be his last crack at it at Chelsea. IMO there are about 3 managers who can deliver fluid football: Rijkaard, Wenger and Klinsmann (KK wouldn't survive 5 min's in the Chelsea set up).

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Ultimately Avram's media image and his failure to convert the side willingly to 442 is what's done for him. Also I think perhaps we underestimate the lack of respect the senior players have for him.

I saw the 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 as pragmatism, given the players he had / the system they were used to playing. I think his failure to play more attractive football was possibly what did for him. I'm not sure what Abramovich's wants exactly though. Especially given the managers being linked with the job. If he wants good football he should have got KK in

 

Allegedly Abramovich was willing to keep Grant on but some of his advisors were really pushing for him to let Grant go (much like the way Jol was pushed out at Tottenham). Abramovich supposedly listens to these people and decided to get rid. Two of these advisors are meant to be pushing hard for Sparky to get the job.

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Ultimately Avram's media image and his failure to convert the side willingly to 442 is what's done for him. Also I think perhaps we underestimate the lack of respect the senior players have for him.

I saw the 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 as pragmatism, given the players he had / the system they were used to playing. I think his failure to play more attractive football was possibly what did for him. I'm not sure what Abramovich's wants exactly though. Especially given the managers being linked with the job. If he wants good football he should have got KK in

 

Allegedly Abramovich was willing to keep Grant on but some of his advisors were really pushing for him to let Grant go (much like the way Jol was pushed out at Tottenham). Abramovich supposedly listens to these people and decided to get rid. Two of these advisors are meant to be pushing hard for Sparky to get the job.

 

Could well be true. Sparky will have culture shock, but he is perhaps strong enough to get through it. Chelsea for me are like Real Madrid were 3/4 years ago.

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This manager thing actually might be the least of their worries. Roman has recently taken a heavy liking to the fine art scene and has started collecting prodigiously. There is talk of sponsoring major shows in St Petersburg and Moscow. He's got 3 yachts in build and is spending huge amounts of time building business in Latvia and Moscow. He wants to get into space etc etc...I have a feeling he could walk away.

I was just thinking along the same lines, especially re: the Francis Bacon and Lucien Freud purchases of late. Also, did you see him when Terry missed? He was smiling. Is he really that arsed?

 

I'm in contact occasionally with one of his 'buyers' here and she was given a season pass to his box at the bridge, which tells me he really wants to build something and wants other people to enjoy it along with him. There will be 8 plasma's on his new boat, primarily for footie watching. I think it's a catch 22 as he wants beautiful football but also winning football which is mightily difficult to deliver. Yes I think there is a time limit and attention span issue and the next manager will perhaps be his last crack at it at Chelsea. IMO there are about 3 managers who can deliver fluid football: Rijkaard, Wenger and Klinsmann (KK wouldn't survive 5 min's in the Chelsea set up).

I prefer the term 'Liquid Football'.

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I thought Grant was sacked by Kenyon. After they (Grant and Kenyon) had a 6 hour meeting to decide his future. The way I read the reports anyway, they were thrashing out if he'd stay or go.

 

Given the European final was the first match Roman's been to in months, it made sense too.

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This manager thing actually might be the least of their worries. Roman has recently taken a heavy liking to the fine art scene and has started collecting prodigiously. There is talk of sponsoring major shows in St Petersburg and Moscow. He's got 3 yachts in build and is spending huge amounts of time building business in Latvia and Moscow. He wants to get into space etc etc...I have a feeling he could walk away.

I was just thinking along the same lines, especially re: the Francis Bacon and Lucien Freud purchases of late. Also, did you see him when Terry missed? He was smiling. Is he really that arsed?

 

I'm in contact occasionally with one of his 'buyers' here and she was given a season pass to his box at the bridge, which tells me he really wants to build something and wants other people to enjoy it along with him. There will be 8 plasma's on his new boat, primarily for footie watching. I think it's a catch 22 as he wants beautiful football but also winning football which is mightily difficult to deliver. Yes I think there is a time limit and attention span issue and the next manager will perhaps be his last crack at it at Chelsea. IMO there are about 3 managers who can deliver fluid football: Rijkaard, Wenger and Klinsmann (KK wouldn't survive 5 min's in the Chelsea set up).

I prefer the term 'Liquid Football'.

He's got a foot like a traction engine.

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I thought Grant was sacked by Kenyon. After they (Grant and Kenyon) had a 6 hour meeting to decide his future. The way I read the reports anyway, they were thrashing out if he'd stay or go.

 

Given the European final was the first match Roman's been to in months, it made sense too.

 

IMO they need to get a one nationality set up cause that is half the problem. Have all Dutch or all Italian or whatever.

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Lucky manager?

Yes, but in a different way to Sven.

 

More in a similar way to which Keegan and Newcastle might have been, if a few things had gone a little differently.