The true Premier League table.

[Jimbo 175]

87 Manchester United

86

85 Chelsea

84

83 Arsenal

82

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79

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76 Liverpool

75

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69

68

67

66

65 Everton

64

63

62

61

60 Aston Villa

59

58 Blackburn

57 Portsmouth

56

55 Man City

54

53

52

51

50

49 West Ham

48

47

46 Spurs

45

44

43 Newcastle United

42 Middlesbrough

41

40 Wigan

39 Sunderland

38

37 Bolton

36 Fulham, Reading

35 Birmingham

34

33

32

31

30

29

28

27

26

25

24

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22

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13

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11 Derby

[Park Life 71]

IMO there is very little differance from Everton to us.

[Guest alex]

IMO there is very little differance from Everton to us.

If KK had been here all season we still wouldn't have got that many points imo. They're better all over the pitch than us.

[Craig 6702]

IMO there is very little differance from Everton to us.

 

Table says different though, doesn't it??

 

Torres won't like this one bit - shows that Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

Highlights how close we actually were to the other end of the table - Spurs as well for that matter. Reading are far too close to us.

[Park Life 71]

IMO there is very little differance from Everton to us.

 

Table says different though, doesn't it??

 

Torres won't like this one bit - shows that Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

Highlights how close we actually were to the other end of the table - Spurs as well for that matter. Reading are far too close to us.

 

If KK had been here all season you could conservatively add 12 points to our tally.

[Snake 0]

IMO there is very little differance from Everton to us.

 

Agree completely

[Guest alex]

Optimistically anyway. I think we'd have done better against the likes of Derby for definite but, iirc, KK's taken about 1 point off the top 10 sides.

[NJS 4446]

Derby make the Mackems (and us) look respectably un-shite.

[Guest alex]

It's funny how close Arsenal were in the end when you consider that dreadful run they had with about 10 games to go.

[Happy Face 29]

Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

But liverpool were closer to Arsenal than Everton were to them.

 

And in turn, Everton were further from Liverpool than Villa were from them.

 

I think that confirms it to be a top 4.

 

Followed by two distinct groups...

 

Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Man City.

 

West Ham, Spurs, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Bolton, Fulham.

 

It'll not be too difficult to jump from the last group into the middle, but near impossible for any team of either group to make it into the top.

Edited May 12, 2008 by Happy Face

[Craig 6702]

IMO there is very little differance from Everton to us.

 

Table says different though, doesn't it??

 

Torres won't like this one bit - shows that Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

Highlights how close we actually were to the other end of the table - Spurs as well for that matter. Reading are far too close to us.

 

If KK had been here all season you could conservatively add 12 points to our tally.

 

'What ifs' are pointless tbh. KK wasn't here all season and therefore that's what we've ended up with. Over the period of the past 9 months, Everton were 18 points better than us - that's not even open for debate.

 

If they're in the same position after the summer, remains to be seen. I'm hopeful the gap will reduce but then we've been saying that for the last 5 years.

[Fop 1]

IMO there is very little differance from Everton to us.

 

Table says different though, doesn't it??

 

Torres won't like this one bit - shows that Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

Highlights how close we actually were to the other end of the table - Spurs as well for that matter. Reading are far too close to us.

 

If KK had been here all season you could conservatively add 12 points to our tally.

 

Yup.

[Craig 6702]

Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

But liverpool were closer to Arsenal than Everton were to them.

 

And in turn, Everton were further from Liverpool than Villa were from them.

 

I think that confirms it to be a top 4.

 

Followed by two distinct groups...

 

Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Man City.

 

West Ham, Spurs, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Bolton, Fulham, Reading, Birmingham.

 

It'll not be too difficult to jump from the last group into the middle, but near impossible for any team of either group to make it into the top.

 

True....

 

I'd still stick the top 3 out on their own though - they were the only 3 who could realistically win the league. Liverpool are in a bit of a limbo state IMO. Not quite at the top but far enough away from the chasing pack.

[Park Life 71]

Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

But liverpool were closer to Arsenal than Everton were to them.

 

And in turn, Everton were further from Liverpool than Villa were from them.

 

I think that confirms it to be a top 4.

 

Followed by two distinct groups...

 

Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Man City.

 

West Ham, Spurs, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Bolton, Fulham, Reading, Birmingham.

 

It'll not be too difficult to jump from the last group into the middle, but near impossible for any team of either group to make it into the top.

 

True....

 

I'd still stick the top 3 out on their own though - they were the only 3 who could realistically win the league. Liverpool are in a bit of a limbo state IMO. Not quite at the top but far enough away from the chasing pack.

 

Unless Arsenal spend they are not getting back to where they were 5 years ago.

[Jimbo 175]

Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

But liverpool were closer to Arsenal than Everton were to them.

 

And in turn, Everton were further from Liverpool than Villa were from them.

 

I think that confirms it to be a top 4.

 

Followed by two distinct groups...

 

Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Man City.

 

West Ham, Spurs, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Bolton, Fulham, Reading, Birmingham.

 

It'll not be too difficult to jump from the last group into the middle, but near impossible for any team of either group to make it into the top.

 

True....

 

I'd still stick the top 3 out on their own though - they were the only 3 who could realistically win the league. Liverpool are in a bit of a limbo state IMO. Not quite at the top but far enough away from the chasing pack.

 

Unless Arsenal spend they are not getting back to where they were 5 years ago.

 

Exactly, Mike Ashley: take note.

[Craig 6702]

Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

But liverpool were closer to Arsenal than Everton were to them.

 

And in turn, Everton were further from Liverpool than Villa were from them.

 

I think that confirms it to be a top 4.

 

Followed by two distinct groups...

 

Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Man City.

 

West Ham, Spurs, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Bolton, Fulham, Reading, Birmingham.

 

It'll not be too difficult to jump from the last group into the middle, but near impossible for any team of either group to make it into the top.

 

True....

 

I'd still stick the top 3 out on their own though - they were the only 3 who could realistically win the league. Liverpool are in a bit of a limbo state IMO. Not quite at the top but far enough away from the chasing pack.

 

Unless Arsenal spend they are not getting back to where they were 5 years ago.

 

Not necessarily. What if Man Utd are beset by injury problems? What if Chelsea sell players and don't replace them well? What if Wenger unearths more youthful talent for pittance?

 

Historically they've not spent massive amounts and the only really successful expensive aquisition I can think of was Henry. I wouldn't under-estimate them at any cost.

[Guest alex]

Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

But liverpool were closer to Arsenal than Everton were to them.

 

And in turn, Everton were further from Liverpool than Villa were from them.

 

I think that confirms it to be a top 4.

 

Followed by two distinct groups...

 

Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Man City.

 

West Ham, Spurs, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Bolton, Fulham, Reading, Birmingham.

 

It'll not be too difficult to jump from the last group into the middle, but near impossible for any team of either group to make it into the top.

 

True....

 

I'd still stick the top 3 out on their own though - they were the only 3 who could realistically win the league. Liverpool are in a bit of a limbo state IMO. Not quite at the top but far enough away from the chasing pack.

 

Unless Arsenal spend they are not getting back to where they were 5 years ago.

 

Not necessarily. What if Man Utd are beset by injury problems? What if Chelsea sell players and don't replace them well? What if Wenger unearths more youthful talent for pittance?

 

Historically they've not spent massive amounts and the only really successful expensive aquisition I can think of was Henry. I wouldn't under-estimate them at any cost.

Wiltord and Reyes suggest he's better off not spending a lot.

[Craig 6702]

Reyes was the example I was thinking of - I'd forgotten about Wiltord.

[Jimbo 175]

Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

But liverpool were closer to Arsenal than Everton were to them.

 

And in turn, Everton were further from Liverpool than Villa were from them.

 

I think that confirms it to be a top 4.

 

Followed by two distinct groups...

 

Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Man City.

 

West Ham, Spurs, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Bolton, Fulham, Reading, Birmingham.

 

It'll not be too difficult to jump from the last group into the middle, but near impossible for any team of either group to make it into the top.

 

True....

 

I'd still stick the top 3 out on their own though - they were the only 3 who could realistically win the league. Liverpool are in a bit of a limbo state IMO. Not quite at the top but far enough away from the chasing pack.

 

Unless Arsenal spend they are not getting back to where they were 5 years ago.

 

Not necessarily. What if Man Utd are beset by injury problems? What if Chelsea sell players and don't replace them well? What if Wenger unearths more youthful talent for pittance?

 

Historically they've not spent massive amounts and the only really successful expensive aquisition I can think of was Henry. I wouldn't under-estimate them at any cost.

 

Off the top of my head

 

Wiltord ? £12m ? Eduardo £8m ? Franny Jeffers £10m ?

[Guest alex]

Forgot about Jeffers. SBR was in for him too at the time. We got Bellamy instead. Lucky or what?

[Craig 6702]

Chelsea and Arsenal are away on their own and it definitely is a top 3 rather than a top 4. If you're going to include Liverpool in the bracket, then surely Everton are in with a shout and claim it is a top 5?

 

But liverpool were closer to Arsenal than Everton were to them.

 

And in turn, Everton were further from Liverpool than Villa were from them.

 

I think that confirms it to be a top 4.

 

Followed by two distinct groups...

 

Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Man City.

 

West Ham, Spurs, Newcastle United, Middlesbrough, Wigan, Sunderland, Bolton, Fulham, Reading, Birmingham.

 

It'll not be too difficult to jump from the last group into the middle, but near impossible for any team of either group to make it into the top.

 

True....

 

I'd still stick the top 3 out on their own though - they were the only 3 who could realistically win the league. Liverpool are in a bit of a limbo state IMO. Not quite at the top but far enough away from the chasing pack.

 

Unless Arsenal spend they are not getting back to where they were 5 years ago.

 

Not necessarily. What if Man Utd are beset by injury problems? What if Chelsea sell players and don't replace them well? What if Wenger unearths more youthful talent for pittance?

 

Historically they've not spent massive amounts and the only really successful expensive aquisition I can think of was Henry. I wouldn't under-estimate them at any cost.

 

Off the top of my head

 

Wiltord ? £12m ? Eduardo £8m ? Franny Jeffers £10m ?

 

And which one of them was a success?

 

I didn't make it clear but I was aligning their spends to their success at that time. None of these contributed to the success they had. I agree he has splashed the cash in the past but Henry aside, none of it resulted in the results on the pitch.

[Tooj 17]

Forgot about Jeffers. SBR was in for him too at the time. We got Bellamy instead. Lucky or what?

Aye luckily he turned us down and we got Bellamy, same with Robert and Zenden as well iirc.

[Jimbo 175]

Although Wenger has huge respect in the transfer market, he has bought some unmitigated shite:

 

Luis Boa Morte, Richard Wright, Stefan Malz, Christopher Wreh, Jeremie Aliadiere, Davor Suker, Gilles Grimandi, Remi Garde, Kaba Diawara, Junichi Inamoto, Igor Stepanovs, Nelson Vivas, Oleg Luzhny, David Grondin, Pascal Cygan.

[Besty 4]

Senderos?

[Guest alex]

And he's been linked with Martins