St George's Day

[Guest Stevie]

Surprised Stevie likes St Georges day considering he hates everyone apart from Geordies (and then not all Geordies depending on where they were born/live)

 

I actually like Londoners.

[NJS 4453]

It would be absolutely awful if Northumbria became a separate country imo. I was delighted when people voted against regional devolution. Another layer of government? No thanks.

 

 

It was actually a replacement level rather than an extra one.

 

I don't live in the NE anymore but I thought it looked like a good idea based on what Scotland and Wales have been able to do.

[NJS 4453]

Good thing is though you wouldn't get as many South Tyneside/mackem accents at the match.

 

Cany you honestly spot an ST accent Stevie?

[Guest alex]

It would be absolutely awful if Northumbria became a separate country imo. I was delighted when people voted against regional devolution. Another layer of government? No thanks.

 

 

It was actually a replacement level rather than an extra one.

 

I don't live in the NE anymore but I thought it looked like a good idea based on what Scotland and Wales have been able to do.

Well I probably should have phrased that differently but it would have required a new regional assembly being built with the costs that entailed etc. It's also a bit different with Scotland and Wales as they are different countries with imo more defined cultural identities and so on. I don't really see the point in or agree with what would basically amount to another set of MPs (i.e. assembly members) and it was deemed (correctly imo) that the large metropolitan authorities like Tyne and Wear were too large and this would have been an even larger body. I could also have envisaged damaging conflict like you had with the GLC and the government back in the 80s. It does appear to work well in Scotland and Wales though.

[Matty 0]

Should be a fuckin' holiday like.

[Guest Stevie]

Good thing is though you wouldn't get as many South Tyneside/mackem accents at the match.

 

Cany you honestly spot an ST accent Stevie?

Aye definitely, and a Gateshead accent too. The differences are subtle but they exist. For instance the kid next to me is from South Shields, and about one word in twenty he says in a mackem twang. People from Dunston like Gazza speak with very very subtle differences to someone from Benwell say.

[Toonraider 0]

I'm very patriotic, even to the point when I hate that in some sports an English person has to be GB with the Union Jack by the name I hate it when you have to choose your country for anything and you have to choose UK or GB because England isnt an option! I'm English ffs!! I want my flag and my nationality as a choice. No different from the next person.

Edited April 23, 2008 by Toonraider

[wykikitoon 21622]

Happy St Georges Day All

[Guest Stevie]

I'm very patriotic, even to the point when I hate that in some sports an English person has to be GB with the Union Jack by the name I hate it when you have to choose your country for anything and you have to choose UK or GB because England isnt an option! I'm English ffs!! I want my flag and my nationality as a choice. No different from the next person.

Exactly the jocks seem to think that when a jock sportsman wins something we proclaim them as "great British sportsmen/women", yet they think when they're shite we view them as Scottish, I don't personally. I view them as Scottish full stop. When that Scots team won the ice sweeping brush thing I didn't think of it as a triumph for Britain, I was indifferent towards it as it was a triumph for Scotland, not England and not Britain. England should go it alone in the Olympics, I mean the Olympic football team, the jocks were saying we want no part of it, what fuckin jock player would get in the side?!?!

[JawD 99]

Its Union Flag not Jack

 

Sorry

[Tom 14021]

Plus when at Sea it represents England not Britain

 

Happy St.Georges day

[Fop 1]

Should be a bank holiday like. I'm quite proud to be English in general and very patriotic when it comes to sporting events and so on. About time patriotism was properly reclaimed from the far right too I think. Agree with Sammy though that part of being English is not bigging ourselves up too much. Unless you write for The Sun during the World Cup.

 

In fairness it was driven to the right wing (although actually I don't think it is, but the PC perception is that is it - and that's the only thing that counts), by the sustained undermining and demonising of it by the left.

 

And before you automatically disagree with me, look at the nationalist parties in Wales and Scotland where different political agendas held sway, and see the difference plainly laid out.

 

Plaid and the SNP aren't deemed as "right wing" yet a party with EXACTLY the same policies in England or the UK generally would find itself pretty much painted as the BNP.

Edited April 23, 2008 by Fop

[Guest alex]

Should be a bank holiday like. I'm quite proud to be English in general and very patriotic when it comes to sporting events and so on. About time patriotism was properly reclaimed from the far right too I think. Agree with Sammy though that part of being English is not bigging ourselves up too much. Unless you write for The Sun during the World Cup.

 

In fairness it was driven to the right wing (although actually I don't think it is, but the PC perception is that is it - and that's the only thing that counts), by the sustained undermining and demonising of it by the left.

 

And before you automatically disagree with me, look at the nationalist parties in Wales and Scotland where different political agendas held sway, and see the difference plainly laid out.

 

Plaid and the SNP aren't deemed as "right wing" yet a party with EXACTLY the same policies in England or the UK generally would find itself pretty much painted as the BNP.

I know it was driven to the right-wing. That's why I think it's time it should be reclaimed. Agree with the rest too btw.

[Fop 1]

Should be a bank holiday like. I'm quite proud to be English in general and very patriotic when it comes to sporting events and so on. About time patriotism was properly reclaimed from the far right too I think. Agree with Sammy though that part of being English is not bigging ourselves up too much. Unless you write for The Sun during the World Cup.

 

In fairness it was driven to the right wing (although actually I don't think it is, but the PC perception is that is it - and that's the only thing that counts), by the sustained undermining and demonising of it by the left.

 

And before you automatically disagree with me, look at the nationalist parties in Wales and Scotland where different political agendas held sway, and see the difference plainly laid out.

 

Plaid and the SNP aren't deemed as "right wing" yet a party with EXACTLY the same policies in England or the UK generally would find itself pretty much painted as the BNP.

I know it was driven to the right-wing. That's why I think it's time it should be reclaimed. Agree with the rest too btw.

 

I don't think it'll be allowed to be reclaimed though (to many groups with too much to lose IMO), and it could be a fairly moot point if Scotland continues on its present course.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

It could and should be used as a chance for people to stick two fingers up at the right wing lot who've taken it over.

[Guest alex]

Should be a bank holiday like. I'm quite proud to be English in general and very patriotic when it comes to sporting events and so on. About time patriotism was properly reclaimed from the far right too I think. Agree with Sammy though that part of being English is not bigging ourselves up too much. Unless you write for The Sun during the World Cup.

 

In fairness it was driven to the right wing (although actually I don't think it is, but the PC perception is that is it - and that's the only thing that counts), by the sustained undermining and demonising of it by the left.

 

And before you automatically disagree with me, look at the nationalist parties in Wales and Scotland where different political agendas held sway, and see the difference plainly laid out.

 

Plaid and the SNP aren't deemed as "right wing" yet a party with EXACTLY the same policies in England or the UK generally would find itself pretty much painted as the BNP.

I know it was driven to the right-wing. That's why I think it's time it should be reclaimed. Agree with the rest too btw.

 

I don't think it'll be allowed to be reclaimed though (to many groups with too much to lose IMO), and it could be a fairly moot point if Scotland continues on its present course.

Probably not, no. Although I wouldn't be too surprised if Brown makes it a Bank Holiday in England in as a (rather desperate) pre-election sweetener.

[Toonraider 0]

Its Union Flag not Jack

 

Sorry

 

Right, sorry

[Fop 1]

Should be a bank holiday like. I'm quite proud to be English in general and very patriotic when it comes to sporting events and so on. About time patriotism was properly reclaimed from the far right too I think. Agree with Sammy though that part of being English is not bigging ourselves up too much. Unless you write for The Sun during the World Cup.

 

In fairness it was driven to the right wing (although actually I don't think it is, but the PC perception is that is it - and that's the only thing that counts), by the sustained undermining and demonising of it by the left.

 

And before you automatically disagree with me, look at the nationalist parties in Wales and Scotland where different political agendas held sway, and see the difference plainly laid out.

 

Plaid and the SNP aren't deemed as "right wing" yet a party with EXACTLY the same policies in England or the UK generally would find itself pretty much painted as the BNP.

I know it was driven to the right-wing. That's why I think it's time it should be reclaimed. Agree with the rest too btw.

 

I don't think it'll be allowed to be reclaimed though (to many groups with too much to lose IMO), and it could be a fairly moot point if Scotland continues on its present course.

Probably not, no. Although I wouldn't be too surprised if Brown makes it a Bank Holiday in England in as a (rather desperate) pre-election sweetener.

 

Aye, quite possibly. But I wouldn't be particularly surprised to see Brown giving a naked performance of rhythmic gymnastics on the commons floor IF he thought it would boost his or labours ratings either.

 

 

In some ways I'd rather see a Britain/UK Day bank holiday, as divide and conquer has worked pretty well for those with a vested interest in it, but it's getting to the stage where it might be divide and shatter.

[Guest alex]

The rest of the UK already has more Bank Holidays than England anyway though iirc. Norn Iron definitely has and I think Scotland has too. Not sure re: Wales.

[JawD 99]

Its Union Flag not Jack

 

Sorry

 

Right, sorry

 

Thats ok, I'm very forgiving

[Meenzer 15873]

What interests me is that the Scots, say, would presumably be forced to have extremely strong ties with the EU if they were to survive as an independent nation, even up to and including adopting the euro. Are they really that bothered about the English that they'd reject the devil they know for another union over which they have far less control and involving people they have far less in common with?

[Guest alex]

What interests me is that the Scots, say, would presumably be forced to have extremely strong ties with the EU if they were to survive as an independent nation, even up to and including adopting the euro. Are they really that bothered about the English that they'd reject the devil they know for another union over which they have far less control and involving people they have far less in common with?

Good point that. Probably a 'yes' too.

[Fop 1]

What interests me is that the Scots, say, would presumably be forced to have extremely strong ties with the EU if they were to survive as an independent nation, even up to and including adopting the euro. Are they really that bothered about the English that they'd reject the devil they know for another union over which they have far less control and involving people they have far less in common with?

Good point that. Probably a 'yes' too.

 

I suspect there'd be loads of reasons to regret it (especially in the future economic climate - maybe not if it was like the last 10-15 years, but it'll never be like that again - look at Ireland, already the celtic tiger economy is being called a "myth"), but I'd not bet against it being done never the less.

 

It's also possible (probable?) we might begin to see problems with the EU's one size fits all economic policies again.

[manc-mag 1]

What interests me is that the Scots, say, would presumably be forced to have extremely strong ties with the EU if they were to survive as an independent nation, even up to and including adopting the euro. Are they really that bothered about the English that they'd reject the devil they know for another union over which they have far less control and involving people they have far less in common with?

 

[Jeremy] "Stop going on about the Euro; we're in it now, and there's nothing you can do about it" /[Jeremy]

[Guest alex]

What interests me is that the Scots, say, would presumably be forced to have extremely strong ties with the EU if they were to survive as an independent nation, even up to and including adopting the euro. Are they really that bothered about the English that they'd reject the devil they know for another union over which they have far less control and involving people they have far less in common with?

Good point that. Probably a 'yes' too.

 

I suspect there'd be loads of reasons to regret it (especially in the future economic climate - maybe not if it was like the last 10-15 years, but it'll never be like that again - look at Ireland, already the celtic tiger economy is being called a "myth"), but I'd not bet against it being done never the less.

 

It's also possible (probable?) we might begin to see problems with the EU's one size fits all economic policies again.

I do as well. I just think a lot of the SNP's vote relies on blind hatred of the English. I must confess to not knowing or caring a lot about Scottish politics though.