Mark Speight 'Found Dead'

[Fop 1]

Are you saying you've never done anything wrong Fop, or that you fully accept the consequences of any mistake you may make?

 

What other way is there to be?

 

 

As much as humanity in general seems to like to revel in delusion, it's not healthy, intelligent or even usually helpful to anyone.

 

Like I said in the case in question people going "it's not your fault" or even "I understand what you're going through" or any of the usual guff to the guy were likely to make him feel more isolated and guilty about things not less.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

So have you got any examples of when you fucked up and had to take it on the chin for us then?

[Fop 1]

So have you got any examples of when you fucked up and had to take it on the chin for us then?

 

Only the death of Diana...... if it hadn't been for those pesky kids.

 

 

To be fair when I know a loved one is going on a drink and drug fuelled bender I tend to put going on my own one off for a little while, just too sensible I know.

[luckyluke 2]

As I said he probably should have thought about it before getting hold of the drugs and letting her get into a scalding bath high on a cocktail of drink and drugs whilst he slept his own bender off.

 

Not really an option though is it?

 

Out interest in your "medical" opinion what should have been done to him? Sectioned and kept tranquillised for a couple of years?

 

He should have had support, counselling or whatever he needed to come to terms with his fiancee's death. I don't know what help he did recieve, or if it would have worked, but it's blatantly obvious from his suicide that he needed it. Regardless of any illegal activities he took part in, he did not intend to cause her death.

 

Sounds like you think topping himself was the best outcome for all concerned. As for the obligatory pathetic jibe at my career, I don't know how you have the nerve to criticise my suitabilty for it with the kind of attitudes you display in this thread. Scum.

[Fop 1]

As I said he probably should have thought about it before getting hold of the drugs and letting her get into a scalding bath high on a cocktail of drink and drugs whilst he slept his own bender off.

 

Not really an option though is it?

 

It's always an option to not go an a bender, as a Doctor I'd have thought you'd have know this. A bit like it's always an option not to drink and drive, or not climb that mountain or even not swat that lions testicles with a rolled up towel, even if it did seem like a "laugh".

 

 

Out interest in your "medical" opinion what should have been done to him? Sectioned and kept tranquillised for a couple of years?

 

He should have had support, counselling or whatever he needed to come to terms with his fiancee's death. I don't know what help he did recieve, or if it would have worked, but it's blatantly obvious from his suicide that he needed it. Regardless of any illegal activities he took part in, he did not intend to cause her death.

 

I see so because he didn't intend to kill her it's all all right and clearly someone else's fault?

 

Er.... nope. Still their own fault I'm afraid.

 

Sounds like you think topping himself was the best outcome for all concerned.

I suspect it was a fairly inevitable outcome, especially if all the "support" he got was of the usual type.

 

 

As for the obligatory pathetic jibe at my career, I don't know how you have the nerve to criticise my suitabilty for it with the kind of attitudes you display in this thread. Scum.

 

You have a very average intellect and academic ability (as we've determined before) and very little if any real world experience, but without the common sense to realise it. I think you're perfectly suited to the current NHS.

 

I don't think you have a chance in hell of "saving" anyone in Speights situation though.

[Jimbo 175]

Feel a bit sorry for the lass but with usual drugs caveat.

 

The bloke is just another coward.

 

 

I think that's very harsh, it seems pretty clear to me that the poor bloke was overcome and heartbroken and was obviously not thinking rationally.

 

I hope I never face such a tragic situation and be expected to keep a level of lucidity.

[NJS 4411]

Feel a bit sorry for the lass but with usual drugs caveat.

 

The bloke is just another coward.

 

 

I think that's very harsh, it seems pretty clear to me that the poor bloke was overcome and heartbroken and was obviously not thinking rationally.

 

I hope I never face such a tragic situation and be expected to keep a level of lucidity.

 

 

Probably but people face the death of loved ones everyday and cope - its part of life.

[Fop 1]

Feel a bit sorry for the lass but with usual drugs caveat.

 

The bloke is just another coward.

 

 

I think that's very harsh, it seems pretty clear to me that the poor bloke was overcome and heartbroken and was obviously not thinking rationally.

 

I hope I never face such a tragic situation and be expected to keep a level of lucidity.

 

Well if don't go on a drink and drug fuelled bender whilst your significant other is doing you won't.

 

But if you ever are in that situation, you basically have two choices, live with it or don't. Trying to pretend it wasn't (partially) your own doing would be a road to no where (although these days a lot of people make a lot of money out of that particular road).

 

It's very sad (although it's slightly incorrect to assume he wasn't lucid, he was quite possibly completely lucid and rational, it's rather a misconception that genuinely wanting to die necessarily makes someone "mad", irrational or whatever, any more than people choosing to die for other reasons necessarily are), but at the end of the day it's still down to the choices he made, not the choices other people made, or even some "random" act of "fate".

[zico martin 90]

Feel a bit sorry for the lass but with usual drugs caveat.

 

The bloke is just another coward.

 

 

I think that's very harsh, it seems pretty clear to me that the poor bloke was overcome and heartbroken and was obviously not thinking rationally.

 

I hope I never face such a tragic situation and be expected to keep a level of lucidity.

 

 

Probably but people face the death of loved ones everyday and cope - its part of life.

 

obviously its a lot harder when you feel partly responsible though

[NJS 4411]

Feel a bit sorry for the lass but with usual drugs caveat.

 

The bloke is just another coward.

 

 

I think that's very harsh, it seems pretty clear to me that the poor bloke was overcome and heartbroken and was obviously not thinking rationally.

 

I hope I never face such a tragic situation and be expected to keep a level of lucidity.

 

 

Probably but people face the death of loved ones everyday and cope - its part of life.

 

obviously its a lot harder when you feel partly responsible though

 

Perhaps but guilt is a natural part of mourning - you don't have to have been involved in the death to still see it that way even if its something like illness.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

So have you got any examples of when you fucked up and had to take it on the chin for us then?

 

Only the death of Diana...... if it hadn't been for those pesky kids.

 

 

To be fair when I know a loved one is going on a drink and drug fuelled bender I tend to put going on my own one off for a little while, just too sensible I know.

Have you got a serious answer? A time when you made a gross error of judgement and had to live with the results? I'd also like to know how qualified you feel you are to comment on how others deal with the death of a loved one.

[Fop 1]

So have you got any examples of when you fucked up and had to take it on the chin for us then?

 

Only the death of Diana...... if it hadn't been for those pesky kids.

 

 

To be fair when I know a loved one is going on a drink and drug fuelled bender I tend to put going on my own one off for a little while, just too sensible I know.

Have you got a serious answer? A time when you made a gross error of judgement and had to live with the results? I'd also like to know how qualified you feel you are to comment on how others deal with the death of a loved one.

 

I'm quite well "qualified" to comment on someone in Speight's situation, much like it's fairly easy to not drink driving or not take cocaine it's fairly easy to know what one is talking about when one in fact does know what one is talking about (admittedly the likes of Luckyluke wouldn't say much at all if they lived by that philosophy - probably no bad thing however ).

 

It still boils down to the same thing though, their own fault and he couldn't live with that (whether he could have been helped to deal with it is another matter, but he's be 1000 timed more likely to have been "saved" by someone that does in fact know what they are talking about than someone like Luckyluke with his textbook platitudes, faux-understanding, mock sympathy and no real understanding or experience of anything much at all ).

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

So have you got any examples of when you fucked up and had to take it on the chin for us then?

 

Only the death of Diana...... if it hadn't been for those pesky kids.

 

 

To be fair when I know a loved one is going on a drink and drug fuelled bender I tend to put going on my own one off for a little while, just too sensible I know.

Have you got a serious answer? A time when you made a gross error of judgement and had to live with the results? I'd also like to know how qualified you feel you are to comment on how others deal with the death of a loved one.

 

I'm quite well "qualified" to comment on someone in Speight's situation, much like it's fairly easy to not drink driving or not take cocaine it's fairly easy to know what one is talking about when one in fact does know what one is talking about (admittedly the likes of Luckyluke wouldn't say much at all if they lived by that philosophy - probably no bad thing however ).

 

It still boils down to the same thing though, their own fault and he couldn't live with that (whether he could have been helped to deal with it is another matter, but he's be 1000 timed more likely to have been "saved" by someone that does in fact know what they are talking about than someone like Luckyluke with his textbook platitudes, faux-understanding, mock sympathy and no real understanding or experience of anything much at all ).

You're not actually saying anything there. It's just pretentious waffle.

 

Try reading the questions again

[Guest alex]

What a tragic set of events.

[Happy Face 29]

Fop's conscience is clear and the only pleasure it brings him is casting the first stone.

 

Way to go alter boy.

Edited April 13, 2008 by Happy Face

[Guest alex]

So have you got any examples of when you fucked up and had to take it on the chin for us then?

 

Only the death of Diana...... if it hadn't been for those pesky kids.

 

 

To be fair when I know a loved one is going on a drink and drug fuelled bender I tend to put going on my own one off for a little while, just too sensible I know.

Have you got a serious answer? A time when you made a gross error of judgement and had to live with the results? I'd also like to know how qualified you feel you are to comment on how others deal with the death of a loved one.

 

I'm quite well "qualified" to comment on someone in Speight's situation, much like it's fairly easy to not drink driving or not take cocaine it's fairly easy to know what one is talking about when one in fact does know what one is talking about (admittedly the likes of Luckyluke wouldn't say much at all if they lived by that philosophy - probably no bad thing however ).

 

It still boils down to the same thing though, their own fault and he couldn't live with that (whether he could have been helped to deal with it is another matter, but he's be 1000 timed more likely to have been "saved" by someone that does in fact know what they are talking about than someone like Luckyluke with his textbook platitudes, faux-understanding, mock sympathy and no real understanding or experience of anything much at all ).

This isn't something else you're an expert in by any chance is it?

[Fop 1]

You're not actually saying anything there. It's just pretentious waffle.

 

Try reading the questions again

 

Nope, try understanding the reply.

 

What a tragic set of events.

Yup, who'd have though taking a cocktail of drink and drugs and getting into a scalding bath could have negative results?

 

 

Fop's conscience is clear and the only pleasure it brings him is casting the first stone.

 

Way to go alter boy.

 

[alex]it's altar[/alex]

 

Of course you'd have given him a big hug and everything would have been all better. Except of course actually you wouldn't and it wouldn't.

[Fop 1]

This isn't something else you're an expert in by any chance is it?

Glad to see you realise that I am in so many things, it's nice to be appreciated.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

I'd have had more respect for you if you'd just said you hadn't had first-hand experience of such a situation, but there you go.

[Fop 1]

I'd have had more respect for you if you'd just said you hadn't had first-hand experience of such a situation, but there you go.

Why would I say that?

[luckyluke 2]

What a tragic set of events.

 

Concise and accurate assessment of this thread so far.

[Fop 1]

What a tragic set of events.

 

Concise and accurate assessment of this thread so far.

 

Now you know when luckyluke agrees with you, your statement is in trouble.

[luckyluke 2]

As I said he probably should have thought about it before getting hold of the drugs and letting her get into a scalding bath high on a cocktail of drink and drugs whilst he slept his own bender off.

 

Not really an option though is it?

 

It's always an option to not go an a bender, as a Doctor I'd have thought you'd have know this. A bit like it's always an option not to drink and drive, or not climb that mountain or even not swat that lions testicles with a rolled up towel, even if it did seem like a "laugh".

 

 

Out interest in your "medical" opinion what should have been done to him? Sectioned and kept tranquillised for a couple of years?

 

He should have had support, counselling or whatever he needed to come to terms with his fiancee's death. I don't know what help he did recieve, or if it would have worked, but it's blatantly obvious from his suicide that he needed it. Regardless of any illegal activities he took part in, he did not intend to cause her death.

 

I see so because he didn't intend to kill her it's all all right and clearly someone else's fault?

 

Er.... nope. Still their own fault I'm afraid.

 

Sounds like you think topping himself was the best outcome for all concerned.

I suspect it was a fairly inevitable outcome, especially if all the "support" he got was of the usual type.

 

 

As for the obligatory pathetic jibe at my career, I don't know how you have the nerve to criticise my suitabilty for it with the kind of attitudes you display in this thread. Scum.

 

You have a very average intellect and academic ability (as we've determined before) and very little if any real world experience, but without the common sense to realise it. I think you're perfectly suited to the current NHS.

 

I don't think you have a chance in hell of "saving" anyone in Speights situation though.

 

Misunderstood (or as I suspect, chose to misunderstood) pretty much every single point along with the again baseless insults. Sigh.

[Happy Face 29]

Fop's conscience is clear and the only pleasure it brings him is casting the first stone.

 

Way to go alter boy.

 

[alex]it's altar[/alex]

 

Of course you'd have given him a big hug and everything would have been all better. Except of course actually you wouldn't and it wouldn't.

 

He seems to have had friends and family that care for him. I'm sure that wasn't what he was missing. Probably more to do with the recent death of someone close you seem to think he should have shrugged off as her own fault.

[Kid Dynamite 7182]

I heard Tony Hart couldn't take the devolution of childrens arts and crafts programs... took the law into his own hands.

 

Police aren't prepared to comment on rumours of an incoherent brown plasticine man seen in the area

 

 

Nah I checked, craig was on here at the time