Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Cigarette display ban considered Displaying cigarettes in shops could be banned in England under government plans being considered to cut smoking and discourage children from starting. Tougher controls on vending machines in pubs and restaurants are also being discussed, and the public will be consulted on the proposals soon. Ex-smoker and Tory leader David Cameron said the idea was worth looking at. But the Association of Convenience Stores said the move would be ineffective and present major problems. It said forcing shops to hide their cigarettes would create practical difficulties and result in extra expense for shop owners. Under the counter Outlining the proposals, Public Health Minister Dawn Primarolo said it was "vital" to teach children that "smoking is bad". "If that means stripping out vending machines or removing cigarettes from behind the counter, I'm willing to do that," she said. Ms Primarolo stressed: "Children who smoke are putting their lives at risk and are more likely to die of cancer than people who start smoking later." Opposition leader Mr Cameron backed the idea, saying: "As someone who struggled with giving up smoking, it helps if you take away some of the temptation. "It is difficult and there will be all sorts of problems in terms of the layout of shops, that's why it is right to have a consultation. "Let's not rule it out," he added. The measures could effectively force the sale of cigarettes and tobacco products under the counter in convenience shops and supermarkets. Measures that make it easier to sell nicotine replacement gums and patches are also under consideration. The Department of Health, which is keen to prevent youngsters from smoking, has cited research that suggests someone who starts smoking at the age of 15 is three times more likely to die of smoking-related cancer than someone who starts in their late 20s. The proposed measures come after this year's Budget in which Chancellor Alistair Darling increased the duty on tobacco, adding 11p to the price of a packet of 20 cigarettes and 4p to the price of five cigars. The chancellor also said the government was continuing the 5% reduced rate of VAT on smoking cessation products beyond 30 June. A ban on smoking in public places and workplaces in England came into force last July. Bans were introduced in Scotland in 2006, and in Wales and Northern Ireland in 2007. Can't see any point to this. It's not like tabs are an impulse buy is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31641 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Can't see any point to this. It's not like tabs are an impulse buy is it? In a pub they are aye, that's how I got started. However, while I'm all for stopping people from starting smoking I really don't think 'hiding' them in shops is going to make much of a difference. Banning machines in pubs mightn't be a bad idea but at the same time they can be a lifeline when in an isolated area. Overall yet another chance to have a go at the smokers, a bit like the idea to have a 'smoker's permit' which was touted recently, looks like knocking smokers is the flavour of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 looks like knocking smokers is the flavour of the week. Don't worry it'll be the motorists turn (again) soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Can't see any point to this. It's not like tabs are an impulse buy is it? In a pub they are aye, that's how I got started. However, while I'm all for stopping people from starting smoking I really don't think 'hiding' them in shops is going to make much of a difference. Banning machines in pubs mightn't be a bad idea but at the same time they can be a lifeline when in an isolated area. Overall yet another chance to have a go at the smokers, a bit like the idea to have a 'smoker's permit' which was touted recently, looks like knocking smokers is the flavour of the week. I don't really see the point in hiding cigarettes in shops; it might stop recently stopped smokers but it isn't going to prevent children/teenagers from starting. I find smokers who bleat on about their rights being assaulted a bit tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 Tobacconist will end up looking like sex shops from the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31641 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Can't see any point to this. It's not like tabs are an impulse buy is it? In a pub they are aye, that's how I got started. However, while I'm all for stopping people from starting smoking I really don't think 'hiding' them in shops is going to make much of a difference. Banning machines in pubs mightn't be a bad idea but at the same time they can be a lifeline when in an isolated area. Overall yet another chance to have a go at the smokers, a bit like the idea to have a 'smoker's permit' which was touted recently, looks like knocking smokers is the flavour of the week. I don't really see the point in hiding cigarettes in shops; it might stop recently stopped smokers but it isn't going to prevent children/teenagers from starting. I find smokers who bleat on about their rights being assaulted a bit tiresome. I'm not so sure, it may stop underage kids as it may be slightly more initimidating to go up and ask for them. And smokers' rights are a bit of a myth, the only infringement on smokers' rights has been the smoking ban which I still disagree with in certain areas, absolute fucking joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Can't see any point to this. It's not like tabs are an impulse buy is it? In a pub they are aye, that's how I got started. However, while I'm all for stopping people from starting smoking I really don't think 'hiding' them in shops is going to make much of a difference. Banning machines in pubs mightn't be a bad idea but at the same time they can be a lifeline when in an isolated area. Overall yet another chance to have a go at the smokers, a bit like the idea to have a 'smoker's permit' which was touted recently, looks like knocking smokers is the flavour of the week. I don't really see the point in hiding cigarettes in shops; it might stop recently stopped smokers but it isn't going to prevent children/teenagers from starting. I find smokers who bleat on about their rights being assaulted a bit tiresome. I'm not so sure, it may stop underage kids as it may be slightly more initimidating to go up and ask for them. And smokers' rights are a bit of a myth, the only infringement on smokers' rights has been the smoking ban which I still disagree with in certain areas, absolute fucking joke. Although I think the smoking ban is a good thing, it did pretty much cost my mate his job. Certainly not a great outcome allround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31641 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Can't see any point to this. It's not like tabs are an impulse buy is it? In a pub they are aye, that's how I got started. However, while I'm all for stopping people from starting smoking I really don't think 'hiding' them in shops is going to make much of a difference. Banning machines in pubs mightn't be a bad idea but at the same time they can be a lifeline when in an isolated area. Overall yet another chance to have a go at the smokers, a bit like the idea to have a 'smoker's permit' which was touted recently, looks like knocking smokers is the flavour of the week. I don't really see the point in hiding cigarettes in shops; it might stop recently stopped smokers but it isn't going to prevent children/teenagers from starting. I find smokers who bleat on about their rights being assaulted a bit tiresome. I'm not so sure, it may stop underage kids as it may be slightly more initimidating to go up and ask for them. And smokers' rights are a bit of a myth, the only infringement on smokers' rights has been the smoking ban which I still disagree with in certain areas, absolute fucking joke. Although I think the smoking ban is a good thing, it did pretty much cost my mate his job. Certainly not a great outcome allround. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Can't see any point to this. It's not like tabs are an impulse buy is it? In a pub they are aye, that's how I got started. However, while I'm all for stopping people from starting smoking I really don't think 'hiding' them in shops is going to make much of a difference. Banning machines in pubs mightn't be a bad idea but at the same time they can be a lifeline when in an isolated area. Overall yet another chance to have a go at the smokers, a bit like the idea to have a 'smoker's permit' which was touted recently, looks like knocking smokers is the flavour of the week. I don't really see the point in hiding cigarettes in shops; it might stop recently stopped smokers but it isn't going to prevent children/teenagers from starting. I find smokers who bleat on about their rights being assaulted a bit tiresome. I'm not so sure, it may stop underage kids as it may be slightly more initimidating to go up and ask for them. And smokers' rights are a bit of a myth, the only infringement on smokers' rights has been the smoking ban which I still disagree with in certain areas, absolute fucking joke. Although I think the smoking ban is a good thing, it did pretty much cost my mate his job. Certainly not a great outcome allround. How? He was working in a pub, which lost a lot of buisiness as a result of the ban. His bosses started to scale back his hours until he was barely making enough to live off so he had to jack it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11106 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 sorry to hear about your mate losing your job but I'd rather a thousand blokes lost a bar job than a million blokes lost their lives through tobacco-related cancers (I appreciate you were not saying that the loss of job was in any way lesser to a loss of life, I was merely making a point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 sorry to hear about your mate losing your job but I'd rather a thousand blokes lost a bar job than a million blokes lost their lives through tobacco-related cancers (I appreciate you were not saying that the loss of job was in any way lesser to a loss of life, I was merely making a point) Christ, here we go again. A million blokes eh? Well, Roy Castle's gone, only another 999,999 to go eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Don't think it's the Government's job to tell people how to live their lives personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3655 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Don't think it's the Government's job to tell people how to live their lives personally. Stalin, Hitler and Mr Bush might disagree with you on that one Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Don't think it's the Government's job to tell people how to live their lives personally. Stalin, Hitler and Mr Bush might disagree with you on that one Alex. And Blair and Brown. I thought the using the hardshoulder was a nadir in this governments "policies" (how that can be an illegal and dangerous act, and then suddenly fine I don't really understand - I can just see police camera action "and LOOK at this IDIOT, using the hardshoulder to avoid a jam when it isn't open to be used for another 15 minutes, this RECKLESS action was caught on camera and the driver in question was hunted down, then hung, drawn and quartered for their LETHAL MADNESS" ), but nope they've kept on digging. I actually think putting them under the counter would make them "cooler" for kids. It's hard to believe anybody could be moronic enough to vote Labour again at the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 sorry to hear about your mate losing your job but I'd rather a thousand blokes lost a bar job than a million blokes lost their lives through tobacco-related cancers (I appreciate you were not saying that the loss of job was in any way lesser to a loss of life, I was merely making a point) Aye, they really need to ban alcohol next. And salt and fat. And probably ham, Vitamin E, and going outside (sunlight is LETHAL ) The thing that I love about all this, is that if a large demographic of people suddenly start living a lot longer, there's absolutely NO money to support that. Which I guess means a ban on retirement in the end. (although in all seriousness I can see the retirement age being 75+ within 25-30 years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 sorry to hear about your mate losing your job but I'd rather a thousand blokes lost a bar job than a million blokes lost their lives through tobacco-related cancers (I appreciate you were not saying that the loss of job was in any way lesser to a loss of life, I was merely making a point) I agree tbh. Could be a blessing in disguise anyway - the bloke's in his mid thirties, he's never going to be a lawyer but he needs something with a bit more benefit long term - i.e. a pension. He's applying to the prison service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15873 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 The pension system will be fucked by the time we retire anyway. And we'll be living under three feet of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 The pension system will be fucked by the time we retire anyway. And we'll be living under three feet of water. You'll be taxed heavily for that, both as a waterside residence and and using a pleasure craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 This thread was born to be fopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15873 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 This thread was born to be fopped. Get your motor runnin' (providing you can afford £3/litre petrol) Head out on the highway (after paying the relevant tolls and stealth taxes to Father State) Lookin' for adventure (that hasn't already been crushed by overbearing Health & Safety regulations) And whatever comes our way (though legal proceedings may be instigated in the event of any particularly unexpected surprises) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 This thread was born to be fopped. Shh.... you've got a vested financial interest in their "plans", so you most likely will be moronic enough to vote Labour at the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7099 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 This thread was born to be fopped. Get your motor runnin' (providing you can afford £3/litre petrol) Head out on the highway (after paying the relevant tolls and stealth taxes to Father State) Lookin' for adventure (that hasn't already been crushed by overbearing Health & Safety regulations) And whatever comes our way (though legal proceedings may be instigated in the event of any particularly unexpected surprises) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 This thread was born to be fopped. Get your motor runnin' (providing you can afford £3/litre petrol) Head out on the highway (after paying the relevant tolls and stealth taxes to Father State) Lookin' for adventure (that hasn't already been crushed by overbearing Health & Safety regulations) And whatever comes our way (though legal proceedings may be instigated in the event of any particularly unexpected surprises) Unfortunately music is scheduled to be banned before 2020 due to hearing damage from passive listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 (edited) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7311326.stm And look at the person suggesting it: Clearly a tri-athlete in absolutely peak condition. Edited March 25, 2008 by Fop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 This thread was born to be fopped. Get your motor runnin' (providing you can afford £3/litre petrol) Head out on the highway (after paying the relevant tolls and stealth taxes to Father State) Lookin' for adventure (that hasn't already been crushed by overbearing Health & Safety regulations) And whatever comes our way (though legal proceedings may be instigated in the event of any particularly unexpected surprises) Sir, I am in your awe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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