Would we have been in this shit state under Allardyce?

[Sima 0]

Yeah I agree with Rico as do most fans of other clubs who are still laughing that we appointed Keegan in the first place.

[Tooj 17]

it appears I'm the only one here who actually agrees with Rico.

 

This club is fucked and yet nobody seems to recognise the fact, KK has come in and instead of improvement we see decline, results were bad under SA however they're abysmal under KK. We were building a set up behind the scenes with the most upto date sports science yet theres no mention now about any of that. We were a mid table team with ideas above our station now were a championship side who believe we are about to win the league.

 

As fans we're blinkered to the fact its KK. The great messiah, the one to lead us wherever we desire (as long as we prefer Blackpool to Barcelona). Its time to face facts, he is not a messiah, he does not know what hes doing and he will be away when things are beyond repair.

 

If this had been any other manager we would all be collectively shitting ourselves now, the boards would be full of "sack him" and "x is shite" threads but its not, its KK therefore what we get is "give him time", "let him get on with it", and "we think Smith is shite but KK rates him so we must be wrong" sort of posts.

 

Keegan is making the same bollocks decisions as SA did, playing players out of position, woeful substitution strategy and a ridiculous belief that Joey Barton is somehow a footballer. The difference is that with hindsight I believe SA has enough knowledge and tactical nous to have changed it round by now. What players would he have bought in January? Allegedly, thats why he went when he did, because he demanded money to buy. He may have turned it round but I'd be willing to bet that no matter what we wouldnt be hanging from the single finger we are now.

 

At the end of the day, maybe Leazes was right all along, maybe changing ownership wasnt all it was cracked up to be, Im loathe to believe that fat boy would have made such a glaring heart over head error.

The same one who peddled this whole Geordie Nation bollocks on us all of the time?

[Isegrim 9906]

it appears I'm the only one here who actually agrees with Rico.

 

This club is fucked and yet nobody seems to recognise the fact, KK has come in and instead of improvement we see decline, results were bad under SA however they're abysmal under KK. We were building a set up behind the scenes with the most upto date sports science yet theres no mention now about any of that. We were a mid table team with ideas above our station now were a championship side who believe we are about to win the league.

 

As fans we're blinkered to the fact its KK. The great messiah, the one to lead us wherever we desire (as long as we prefer Blackpool to Barcelona). Its time to face facts, he is not a messiah, he does not know what hes doing and he will be away when things are beyond repair.

 

If this had been any other manager we would all be collectively shitting ourselves now, the boards would be full of "sack him" and "x is shite" threads but its not, its KK therefore what we get is "give him time", "let him get on with it", and "we think Smith is shite but KK rates him so we must be wrong" sort of posts.

 

Keegan is making the same bollocks decisions as SA did, playing players out of position, woeful substitution strategy and a ridiculous belief that Joey Barton is somehow a footballer. The difference is that with hindsight I believe SA has enough knowledge and tactical nous to have changed it round by now. What players would he have bought in January? Allegedly, thats why he went when he did, because he demanded money to buy. He may have turned it round but I'd be willing to bet that no matter what we wouldnt be hanging from the single finger we are now.

 

At the end of the day, maybe Leazes was right all along, maybe changing ownership wasnt all it was cracked up to be, Im loathe to believe that fat boy would have made such a glaring heart over head error.

The greater patience and optimism is a big bonus though, isn't it. Forget about this made up "Messiah" nonsense, but having a manager that is actually wanted by the majority of fans is making a big difference. After Robson all managers were not wanted by fans and had a difficult job to first convince fans. I am not about fans for results, but a environment of negativity isn't going to help you, especially if you are struggling to make an impact.

 

Of course Keegan is doing mistakes, everybody does. But letting him getting on in the trust that it will get better given time isn't a bad thing. It's a trust people didn't have before. Apart of course from the likes of Sima and Vic/Rico who reel in their attention-seeking approach of acting as Mr. Contrary. You should definitely question yourself if you are in agreement with them. I didn't have the trust in Fat Sam to turn things around. Where did you get it from. He was the stubborn and lacking self-critisism. I seriously doubt that with his "I know best" approach that was conflicting with everybody else's view especially in regard of style of play. And I seriously doubt that we would be much better of in regard to points from fixtures after his sack. Ok, well me might have 2-3 points more. Hooray.

[Jimbo 175]

Isn't Easter the traditional time to string up the Messiah ?

 

I'll pop down to B&Q for some timber and some 6" nails.

[NJS 4411]

it appears I'm the only one here who actually agrees with Rico.

 

This club is fucked and yet nobody seems to recognise the fact, KK has come in and instead of improvement we see decline, results were bad under SA however they're abysmal under KK. We were building a set up behind the scenes with the most upto date sports science yet theres no mention now about any of that. We were a mid table team with ideas above our station now were a championship side who believe we are about to win the league.

 

As fans we're blinkered to the fact its KK. The great messiah, the one to lead us wherever we desire (as long as we prefer Blackpool to Barcelona). Its time to face facts, he is not a messiah, he does not know what hes doing and he will be away when things are beyond repair.

 

If this had been any other manager we would all be collectively shitting ourselves now, the boards would be full of "sack him" and "x is shite" threads but its not, its KK therefore what we get is "give him time", "let him get on with it", and "we think Smith is shite but KK rates him so we must be wrong" sort of posts.

 

Keegan is making the same bollocks decisions as SA did, playing players out of position, woeful substitution strategy and a ridiculous belief that Joey Barton is somehow a footballer. The difference is that with hindsight I believe SA has enough knowledge and tactical nous to have changed it round by now. What players would he have bought in January? Allegedly, thats why he went when he did, because he demanded money to buy. He may have turned it round but I'd be willing to bet that no matter what we wouldnt be hanging from the single finger we are now.

 

At the end of the day, maybe Leazes was right all along, maybe changing ownership wasnt all it was cracked up to be, Im loathe to believe that fat boy would have made such a glaring heart over head error.

 

 

No account of fixture list.

 

What evidence of good tactics did Allardyce show? What evidence of good buys?

 

I have concerns but on the whole I disagree with your view.

[Jimbo 175]

it appears I'm the only one here who actually agrees with Rico.

 

This club is fucked and yet nobody seems to recognise the fact, KK has come in and instead of improvement we see decline, results were bad under SA however they're abysmal under KK. We were building a set up behind the scenes with the most upto date sports science yet theres no mention now about any of that. We were a mid table team with ideas above our station now were a championship side who believe we are about to win the league.

 

As fans we're blinkered to the fact its KK. The great messiah, the one to lead us wherever we desire (as long as we prefer Blackpool to Barcelona). Its time to face facts, he is not a messiah, he does not know what hes doing and he will be away when things are beyond repair.

 

If this had been any other manager we would all be collectively shitting ourselves now, the boards would be full of "sack him" and "x is shite" threads but its not, its KK therefore what we get is "give him time", "let him get on with it", and "we think Smith is shite but KK rates him so we must be wrong" sort of posts.

 

Keegan is making the same bollocks decisions as SA did, playing players out of position, woeful substitution strategy and a ridiculous belief that Joey Barton is somehow a footballer. The difference is that with hindsight I believe SA has enough knowledge and tactical nous to have changed it round by now. What players would he have bought in January? Allegedly, thats why he went when he did, because he demanded money to buy. He may have turned it round but I'd be willing to bet that no matter what we wouldnt be hanging from the single finger we are now.

 

At the end of the day, maybe Leazes was right all along, maybe changing ownership wasnt all it was cracked up to be, Im loathe to believe that fat boy would have made such a glaring heart over head error.

 

 

No account of fixture list.

 

What evidence of good tactics did Allardyce show? What evidence of good buys?

 

I have concerns but on the whole I disagree with your view.

 

 

Under Allardyce we were not beating teams we should have been beating comfortably, under Keegan we are getting stuffed by teams we don't expect to beat.

[Park Life 71]

it appears I'm the only one here who actually agrees with Rico.

 

This club is fucked and yet nobody seems to recognise the fact, KK has come in and instead of improvement we see decline, results were bad under SA however they're abysmal under KK. We were building a set up behind the scenes with the most upto date sports science yet theres no mention now about any of that. We were a mid table team with ideas above our station now were a championship side who believe we are about to win the league.

 

As fans we're blinkered to the fact its KK. The great messiah, the one to lead us wherever we desire (as long as we prefer Blackpool to Barcelona). Its time to face facts, he is not a messiah, he does not know what hes doing and he will be away when things are beyond repair.

 

If this had been any other manager we would all be collectively shitting ourselves now, the boards would be full of "sack him" and "x is shite" threads but its not, its KK therefore what we get is "give him time", "let him get on with it", and "we think Smith is shite but KK rates him so we must be wrong" sort of posts.

 

Keegan is making the same bollocks decisions as SA did, playing players out of position, woeful substitution strategy and a ridiculous belief that Joey Barton is somehow a footballer. The difference is that with hindsight I believe SA has enough knowledge and tactical nous to have changed it round by now. What players would he have bought in January? Allegedly, thats why he went when he did, because he demanded money to buy. He may have turned it round but I'd be willing to bet that no matter what we wouldnt be hanging from the single finger we are now.

 

At the end of the day, maybe Leazes was right all along, maybe changing ownership wasnt all it was cracked up to be, Im loathe to believe that fat boy would have made such a glaring heart over head error.

 

Without going into all that is obvious to most of us (I've nursed a 30 pager on N.O. about Mashley fucking up), I will say that the summer spend was too limited to apportion the whole blame on SA and I always had a gut feeling he (SA) went to Mashley for more cash in Jan and the resulting fallout led to his dismissal. It all seemed too disorganised (the flirt with Nappy) etc to have been part of "the plan".

 

SA doesn't deserve to be judged on half a season with a team half-built (with little money). You see all along SA maybe could see the limitations better than most of us which might half way explain his reticence in tactics - guiding a faltering ship through tricky waters.

 

Perhaps we cannot even blame Mashley if we take into account their serious lack of football knowledge and background. Yet if this is the case and they are by not means idiots why didn't they appoint some serious advice givers at board level they week they took over? That surely would have been the approach of long term serious players. All that talk of an internal review was only it seems about finance and not it seems about football...Was Kemsley HIS main advisor all along? It wouldn't surprise me taking into account the subsequent appointments.

 

I said somewhere a few weeks ago that the greatest tragedies can only occur when a former hero is in place to take the fall. Bringing in KK was a masterstroke of PR but a wild gamble regarding the first team. That is still my view although I have had to convince myself that rabbits may still be pulled from circus hats.

Edited March 14, 2008 by Park Life

[Happy Face 29]

[Tooj 17]

"Mashley."

[Park Life 71]

 

The 'winnable games' will soon be here no worries mate.

[Park Life 71]

"Mashley."

 

In my mind they have become an entity like Rod Hull and Emu. Similar skill set.

[Guest alex]

Is this a mixed metaphors and cliches competition btw?

[Happy Face 29]

 

The 'winnable games' will soon be here no worries mate.

 

That was aimed at PP and the thread in general, not you.

 

its KK therefore what we get is "give him time", "let him get on with it"

 

If I remember correctly, people were saying exactly the same thing about Allardyce after twice as many games as Keegan's had.

 

It's not a Messiah complex in the least bit, just common sense that a bloke that's had 8 games, 6 against top 7 opposition shouldn't even be questioned on why he hasn't 'turned it around' yet.

 

Get a grip and "stop posting shite".

[Park Life 71]

 

The 'winnable games' will soon be here no worries mate.

 

That was aimed at PP and the thread in general, not you.

 

its KK therefore what we get is "give him time", "let him get on with it"

 

If I remember correctly, people were saying exactly the same thing about Allardyce after twice as many games as Keegan's had.

 

It's not a Messiah complex in the least bit, just common sense that a bloke that's had 8 games, 6 against top 7 opposition shouldn't even be questioned on why he hasn't 'turned it around' yet.

 

Get a grip and "stop posting shite".

 

 

 

Just trying to get rid of some tension before I watch 'Lost'.

Edited March 14, 2008 by Park Life

[sammynb 3517]

SA doesn't deserve to be judged on half a season with a team half-built (with little money).

 

Fuck off he doesn't.

The useless prick spent 26m buying 8 players that became his first choice.

If you couldn't see the shite he was churning out then you obviously weren't looking!

[Park Life 71]

SA doesn't deserve to be judged on half a season with a team half-built (with little money).

 

Fuck off he doesn't.

The useless prick spent 26m buying 8 players that became his first choice.

If you couldn't see the shite he was churning out then you obviously weren't looking!

 

No denying the football wasn't great I totally agree. And his vision was flawed.

 

He spent £8m net and we lost a couple of goodish players in Solano (semi-creative) and Dyer (pace). We also sold Parker who's worth is debatable but no less a loss to an already weakened squad. Two/Three (not sure if some money changed hands for Geremi) of the eight were free transfers on their last legs. I wish people would stop dressing up that transfer window for something it wasn't. It was cautious (for whatever reason) and SA had to fill holes at the back to begin with as you'd probably agree.

 

In saying that I was disappointed in his approach on many levels, but he did have a very low base to begin with and seemed to be building things up regarding the infrastructure of the club.

 

Beye and Faye were solid buys and Enrique would have turned out to be if long term imo.

[sammynb 3517]

SA doesn't deserve to be judged on half a season with a team half-built (with little money).

 

Fuck off he doesn't.

The useless prick spent 26m buying 8 players that became his first choice.

If you couldn't see the shite he was churning out then you obviously weren't looking!

 

No denying the football wasn't great I totally agree. And his vision was flawed.

 

He spent £8m net and we lost a couple of goodish players in Solano (semi-creative) and Dyer (pace). We also sold Parker who's worth is debatable but no less a loss to an already weakened squad. Two/Three (not sure if some money changed hands for Geremi) of the eight were free transfers on their last legs. I wish people would stop dressing up that transfer window for something it wasn't. It was cautious (for whatever reason) and SA had to fill holes at the back to begin with as you'd probably agree.

 

In saying that I was disappointed in his approach on many levels, but he did have a very low base to begin with and seemed to be building things up regarding the infrastructure of the club.

 

Beye and Faye were solid buys and Enrique would have turned out to be if long term imo.

 

Seriously forget the 8m net, he decided, for whatever reason that the players he sold were surplus to what he wanted, he spent 26m on HIS players.

And to use Dyer as an example is a joke, please tell us the last time he was actually available for more than four games consecutively?

The money Mort actually got from Wist ‘am for him was the best bit of business this club has done ever but it still doesn't come close to the wages he sucked out of the club over the years.

Allardyce was a fraud, his alleged methods were a joke and with the exception of adding to the wage bill with all the "specialists" what did he actually do in building up the infrastructure again?

He sold all the crocks, so you can't credit him with a better fitness record.

[The Fish 10972]

Can I just ask... the ones who're saying this isn't good enough etc... are they wanting to change managers... again?

[The messenger 0]

I think you would have done far better under BS. He was turning you into a cynical side. A side hard to beat, and with time he would have added the quality which makes you worth watching. The reason im certain of this is the fact that he basically mirrored Martin O'Neills first season with us. We went 18 matches without a win, but we knew he would turn it around. And within 18 months he has taken us from 16th to fighting for the 4th (which looks lost now tho).

 

Managers need TIME to do their thing. SAF and his early years at United as an example. Or Moyes with Everton down at 16th a few years ago. Managers is sacked so stupidly fast in certain clubs these days its fuckin retarded.

 

Big Sam had you as a work under progress, which was a bit handicapped by Barton tho. Oh well i remember Newcastle fans slating him forever and hating his tactics, and you reap what you sow, but BS would definatly have done better then Keegan this season IMO.

[The Fish 10972]

The thing is messenger, Sam Allardyce wasn't making us a hard team to beat, he was turning us a side which found it hard to beat anyone

we weren't defensively strong, we weren't creating anything and we were not disciplined...

[Guest alex]

There seems to be a few history rewrites regarding Allardyce knocking about.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

It's funny, I don't remember it being all rosy with Sam in charge...

 

It's all relative. I don't remember us ever being 2 points from the drop. I do remember a manager being slated for bigging up smith, dropping zog, excluding enrique, targetting scottish league players and talking endless shite. I also remember making the point, if Keegan came in, was shite and left, what then for NUFC? We might well find out soon.

 

 

You're a cunt....end of

[Jusoda Kid 1]

The thing is messenger, Sam Allardyce wasn't making us a hard team to beat, he was turning us a side which found it hard to beat anyone

we weren't defensively strong, we weren't creating anything and we were not disciplined...

 

Nail on head

 

 

Why couldn't you see that at the time?

[Jimbo 175]

The thing is messenger, Sam Allardyce wasn't making us a hard team to beat, he was turning us a side which found it hard to beat anyone

we weren't defensively strong, we weren't creating anything and we were not disciplined...

 

Nail on head

 

 

Why couldn't you see that at the time?

 

[RlCO 0]

It's funny, I don't remember it being all rosy with Sam in charge...

 

It's all relative. I don't remember us ever being 2 points from the drop. I do remember a manager being slated for bigging up smith, dropping zog, excluding enrique, targetting scottish league players and talking endless shite. I also remember making the point, if Keegan came in, was shite and left, what then for NUFC? We might well find out soon.

 

 

You're a cunt....end of

 

End of what? As if anyone ever starts a thread waiting for a worthwhile reply from your little dwarf fingers. 'Jog on' as they say, or rather, shuffle off.