Guest alex Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I honestly think it's harsh blaming Keegan like. You can blame the old board, the new board and Allardyce but Keegan hasn't had much chance in terms of time, fixtures etc. Imo, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Not a fucking chance we'd be this bad under Allardyce. I'd have fancied him to get better results in the home games we had and not get so absolutely anihilated in EVERY away game. We only played one good team away with Allardyce and that was Chelsea(lost) - we also lost quite heavily to Man City and Blackburn. Do you honestly think we would have got something at home against Man U or Bolton? I'd also add that the away games at Derby, Wigan, Sunderland and Reading could be what costs us relegation. YES!! It`s Allardyces fault we have only two points under Keegan. I`m sure KK rings BS to discuss picking Smith and Barton while leaving Martinis on the bench. He must pop round for a cuppa and a biccy to talk defensive tactics on a Friday before a game Never mind we can still discuss the glory days of the previous Keegen reign after the long trip to Plymouth next season cant we WAKE UP SON If Keegan picked Owen and Martins to play Liverpool the result would not have been any different and he would have been slaughtered for being stupidly gung ho. He picked a more "solid" line up to play away at a good team and they did alright for 40 minutes. And yes it is Allardyce's fault. Take those rose coloured Keegan specs off mate. Owen cant I repeat cant play as a lone front man. If KK wanted to do that then he should have played Big Andy up there to hold the ball up. KK doesnt want to upset Owen or Smith so they both play regardless to the benafit of the team. I didnt expect much today but we got a pasting and looked proper shite. KK is coaching the team, picking the team and giving the team talks so get fucked with blaming Sam. On paper we have players to knock the shite out of a lot of teams and their potential is not being realised, thats the current managers job Do we now? Owen Duff Martins N`Zogbia Milner Viduka Barton Smith Taylor Emre Beye Faye All full or U21 internationls, yes we should be be giving teams outside the top 4 a game and yes we look shite, complete shite. WANK actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 The fact you've mentioned Smith, Barton, Taylor, Milner and Duff as players you believe now have the ability to knock the shite out of teams says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I honestly think it's harsh blaming Keegan like. You can blame the old board, the new board and Allardyce but Keegan hasn't had much chance in terms of time, fixtures etc. Imo, anyway. Not his fault mate, he only picks the team and works with them everyday, blame Allardyce that seems to be the rule of thumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10779 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 It's not his team and he has to take a team without confidence, change the way they play AND give them confidence when their first few games are shockers! and we're still staying up and we're still going to beat the Mackems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I honestly think it's harsh blaming Keegan like. You can blame the old board, the new board and Allardyce but Keegan hasn't had much chance in terms of time, fixtures etc. Imo, anyway. Not his fault mate, he only picks the team and works with them everyday, blame Allardyce that seems to be the rule of thumb Oh grow up man. He takes some of the responsibility but others take more. Allardyce included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 The fact you've mentioned Smith, Barton, Taylor, Milner and Duff as players you believe now have the ability to knock the shite out of teams says it all really. You dont think a top manager could get the best out of these players? Says it all really !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 The fact you've mentioned Smith, Barton, Taylor, Milner and Duff as players you believe now have the ability to knock the shite out of teams says it all really. You dont think a top manager could get the best out of these players? Says it all really !! No because they're either past their sell by date or not good enough to start with. Barton at the moment is not mentally capable of playing professional football as well btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 there will be no glory days with KK this time round imo wrong man for the job. Big Sam should have been left till the end of the season and then we could have taken stock of the situation but of course no we jump straight into the deep end again without thinking Which results would have been different under Allardyce? That's the point though. There is precious little difference between the performances and results. 4-5-1 today. Utter shit. Sorry, we won games under Allardyce. My mistake. What formation were we playing today? Allardyce lost to teams outside the top 7 too. Keegan hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 there will be no glory days with KK this time round imo wrong man for the job. Big Sam should have been left till the end of the season and then we could have taken stock of the situation but of course no we jump straight into the deep end again without thinking Which results would have been different under Allardyce? That's the point though. There is precious little difference between the performances and results. 4-5-1 today. Utter shit. Sorry, we won games under Allardyce. My mistake. What formation were we playing today? Allardyce lost to teams outside the top 7 too. Keegan hasn't. Take comfort from that then if it helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 The fact you've mentioned Smith, Barton, Taylor, Milner and Duff as players you believe now have the ability to knock the shite out of teams says it all really. You dont think a top manager could get the best out of these players? Says it all really !! No because they're either past their sell by date or not good enough to start with. Barton at the moment is not mentally capable of playing professional football as well btw. I admit Barton may not be the best example but to say the rest are past it are not good enough is a poor excuse really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 there will be no glory days with KK this time round imo wrong man for the job. Big Sam should have been left till the end of the season and then we could have taken stock of the situation but of course no we jump straight into the deep end again without thinking Which results would have been different under Allardyce? That's the point though. There is precious little difference between the performances and results. 4-5-1 today. Utter shit. Sorry, we won games under Allardyce. My mistake. What formation were we playing today? Allardyce lost to teams outside the top 7 too. Keegan hasn't. Take comfort from that then if it helps As we have 7 more games to play against teams outside the top 7, I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelie 103 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Didn't expect to get anything out of this match, expected to get beat, but what I didn't expect was to see such a shadow of a team that played so well lest week. I was expecting Liverpool to score at anytime but actually thought we were going to be 0-0 at half-time, talk about being a dreamer after seeing last weeks winning goal at the bell. We've now slipped to 14th place after Reading's win today, a dire situation now, only 3 points ahead of Bolton who are in the bottom three. Our goal difference is terrible and if we lose next week either Wigan, Sunderland, Birmingham, even Bolton could move ahead of us with a win. In fact if we lose, Wigan and Sunderland could move ahead of us with a draw. Any miracle workers out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 The fact you've mentioned Smith, Barton, Taylor, Milner and Duff as players you believe now have the ability to knock the shite out of teams says it all really. You dont think a top manager could get the best out of these players? Says it all really !! No because they're either past their sell by date or not good enough to start with. Barton at the moment is not mentally capable of playing professional football as well btw. I admit Barton may not be the best example but to say the rest are past it are not good enough is a poor excuse really It's not a poor excuse, it's the truth iyam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 The fact you've mentioned Smith, Barton, Taylor, Milner and Duff as players you believe now have the ability to knock the shite out of teams says it all really. You dont think a top manager could get the best out of these players? Says it all really !! No because they're either past their sell by date or not good enough to start with. Barton at the moment is not mentally capable of playing professional football as well btw. I admit Barton may not be the best example but to say the rest are past it are not good enough is a poor excuse really It's not a poor excuse, it's the truth iyam. If we go down there will be no shortage of takers for all the above. Not playing anywhere near potential = failure on managers part, fact!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 We would have got more than 2 points against Bolton, Blackburn and Boro under Allardyce. I saw the match today, we were fucking horrendous man, Liverpool could have scored 10 Hopefully the smiley says it all. About you, yes. I'm not bothered about the defeat, only a mong would expect anything more, but it's the manner in which we are getting beat. We're getting absolutely fucking stuffed every single time away from home and sinking without trace. I don't know how Keegan can not shoulder any of the blame. Look where Spurs were when Ramos took over, does he similarly not get any credit for his results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 The fact you've mentioned Smith, Barton, Taylor, Milner and Duff as players you believe now have the ability to knock the shite out of teams says it all really. You dont think a top manager could get the best out of these players? Says it all really !! No because they're either past their sell by date or not good enough to start with. Barton at the moment is not mentally capable of playing professional football as well btw. I admit Barton may not be the best example but to say the rest are past it are not good enough is a poor excuse really It's not a poor excuse, it's the truth iyam. If we go down there will be no shortage of takers for all the above. Not playing anywhere near potential = failure on managers part, fact!! Who would pay for a centre forward who hasn't scored any goals all season? Oh shit us. Or how about a finished Irish winger? A centre half who has no outstanding attributes? Milner would probably have some takers I agree with that. Would be a good squad player to have, but he shouldn't be near starting if we have any ambition. Unfortunately due to our situation we are in he has to play really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 174 Posted March 8, 2008 Author Share Posted March 8, 2008 The fact you've mentioned Smith, Barton, Taylor, Milner and Duff as players you believe now have the ability to knock the shite out of teams says it all really. You dont think a top manager could get the best out of these players? Says it all really !! No because they're either past their sell by date or not good enough to start with. Barton at the moment is not mentally capable of playing professional football as well btw. I admit Barton may not be the best example but to say the rest are past it are not good enough is a poor excuse really It's not a poor excuse, it's the truth iyam. If we go down there will be no shortage of takers for all the above. Not playing anywhere near potential = failure on managers part, fact!! Who would pay for a centre forward who hasn't scored any goals all season? Oh shit us. Or how about a finished Irish winger? A centre half who has no outstanding attributes? Milner would probably have some takers I agree with that. Would be a good squad player to have, but he shouldn't be near starting if we have any ambition. Unfortunately due to our situation we are in he has to play really. We are now finding out why ManUre and Chelski were so eager to take our money when we came in for Smith and Duff, when was the last time either of those teams sold a player that was actually any good to another Premier League team ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Probably around about the last time "Chelski" and "ManUre" were funny tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoog 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Chuffin hell, the press builds things up every week, when we've been playing better opposition, that this could be Kev's first win but did anyone honestly expect anything from this game? The points to keep us up were never going to come today, try not to get sucked in to feeling negative on the back of a game like this - the team's still going to be shite at the end of the season, when we get to the summer and haven't been relegated then we can start improving properly. We have much of the muppets playing for us that previous managers have had and they never going to suddenly become confident and all-conquering while they're at this club together - we need the summer to get here, Ashley to give Kev a big transfer kitty and a lot of new players in to try and flush out the overall feeling of doom out of the playing side. I know today we didn't play well but against the teams in the top 6 we're not going to, yet. Once we've played some of the poorer teams and kept our prem status it'll be job done for this season, we don't need anything more for now. Today was just a game we had to get out of the way, it wasn't good but it's done now and we can concentrate on the job at hand - staying up! Something I'm confident we can do, so stop feeling sorry for yourselves and roar us on until the end of the season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 174 Posted March 8, 2008 Author Share Posted March 8, 2008 Probably around about the last time "Chelski" and "ManUre" were funny tbh Cheer up you miserable cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 We would have got more than 2 points against Bolton, Blackburn and Boro under Allardyce. I saw the match today, we were fucking horrendous man, Liverpool could have scored 10 Hopefully the smiley says it all. About you, yes. I'm not bothered about the defeat, only a mong would expect anything more, but it's the manner in which we are getting beat. We're getting absolutely fucking stuffed every single time away from home and sinking without trace. I don't know how Keegan can not shoulder any of the blame. Look where Spurs were when Ramos took over, does he similarly not get any credit for his results? 4 points above us, admittedly with 2 games in hand. But Keegan has had a nasty run of games, and has had back luck (again certainly the Blackburn game Sven would have won 3-0 ). If we don't pick up points in the next 2 games and then all the games in April then is probably the time to maybe start vaguely pointing the finger at Keegan. But at the moment I dunno, the defence was a leaky as hell under Allardyce - and it still is (but Allardyce largely bought it), the midfield was non-existent under Allardyce - it's much better now, but nothing can replace quality and actually HAVING a genuine attacking/play making midfielder, the attack wasn't very good under Allardyce and it still isn't, but Keegan has had Martins away and Viduka injured for most of his time here. At the moment I don't think anyone would be doing much better than Keegan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 (edited) We would have got more than 2 points against Bolton, Blackburn and Boro under Allardyce. I saw the match today, we were fucking horrendous man, Liverpool could have scored 10 Hopefully the smiley says it all. About you, yes. I'm not bothered about the defeat, only a mong would expect anything more, but it's the manner in which we are getting beat. We're getting absolutely fucking stuffed every single time away from home and sinking without trace. I don't know how Keegan can not shoulder any of the blame. Look where Spurs were when Ramos took over, does he similarly not get any credit for his results? In his first 9 games Ramos got beat off Blackburn and Arsenal and drew with Boro....just like Keegan. Man City and Portsmoth (Who've both been sliding) have been his only wins outside of the Relegation bait even after 17 games in charge. He's also managed to lose against Birmingham (twice), Aston Villa and Chelsea. I'll give him credit for beating the leagues dross. Why not give Keegan a chance to see if he can? Edited March 8, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Aye, because it's not as if Ramos has beat Arsenal and Chelsea (even if it wasn't in the league) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Aye, because it's not as if Ramos has beat Arsenal and Chelsea (even if it wasn't in the league) After twice as many games in charge as Keegan's had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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