Well said John Howards

[LeazesMag 0]

Not being funny lads, but you complain that "lefties" think they're so much more intelligent than you. However, you have been the ones throwing childish insults around like confetti throughout this (and most other) threads.

 

My point being, if you want people to take you opinions and beliefs seriously, perhaps you shouldn't cover them in immaturity?

 

such as ?

[The Fish 11112]

Do you really want me to waste time trawling through every post you've made to find each and every insult you've tossed about?

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Not being funny lads, but you complain that "lefties" think they're so much more intelligent than you. However, you have been the ones throwing childish insults around like confetti throughout this (and most other) threads.

 

My point being, if you want people to take you opinions and beliefs seriously, perhaps you shouldn't cover them in immaturity?

 

 

 

Fuck off fatty

[The Fish 11112]

nice.

[sammynb 3655]

Snob, knob and cunt.

And that's just in the last two pages, you three really are big men, the future of the thinking world.

But then your attitude to anything other than your own small minded values is fuck off cunts anyway, isn't it?

Stevie, you don't know what you're talking about and as usual the tirade of insults and bullshit you spit when you have been shown to be the clueless moron you are gets boring quick.

Do us all a favour and just stick to subjects about Baines because at least then you look sound.

[LeazesMag 0]

Snob, knob and cunt.

And that's just in the last two pages, you three really are big men, the future of the thinking world.

But then your attitude to anything other than your own small minded values is fuck off cunts anyway, isn't it?

Stevie, you don't know what you're talking about and as usual the tirade of insults and bullshit you spit when you have been shown to be the clueless moron you are gets boring quick.

Do us all a favour and just stick to subjects about Baines because at least then you look sound.

 

the whole tone of that pretty much proves my point.

 

Snob. Can't imagine what you think you've done to consider yourself so superior, you certainly aren't superior to me, but such is life.

[sammynb 3655]

Snob, knob and cunt.

And that's just in the last two pages, you three really are big men, the future of the thinking world.

But then your attitude to anything other than your own small minded values is fuck off cunts anyway, isn't it?

Stevie, you don't know what you're talking about and as usual the tirade of insults and bullshit you spit when you have been shown to be the clueless moron you are gets boring quick.

Do us all a favour and just stick to subjects about Baines because at least then you look sound.

 

the whole tone of that pretty much proves my point.

 

Snob. Can't imagine what you think you've done to consider yourself so superior, you certainly aren't superior to me, but such is life.

 

Leaze you could read white in the word black without even trying and you'd still only be the fifth best.

Who's a fucking snob? Not me mate I don't go on here about how good I've made out or about my working class background as if it's a badge of honour.

But also, I would never agree with the words and sentiment of a man who wishes he was Thatcher's son/husband/lover like you and a few others are.

I'm also not stupid enough to be duped into believing that muslims living within our communities want to live under Islamic Sharia law because some racist, elitist politician wants to scare a few more voters into voting for him (that's where these words originally came from, an electoral campaign).

So keep calling me a snob or a cunt or whatever because you know best.

[Rob W 0]

No point in arguing with Leazes when he's stopped taking the medication.........

 

he needs help

[LeazesMag 0]

Snob, knob and cunt.

And that's just in the last two pages, you three really are big men, the future of the thinking world.

But then your attitude to anything other than your own small minded values is fuck off cunts anyway, isn't it?

Stevie, you don't know what you're talking about and as usual the tirade of insults and bullshit you spit when you have been shown to be the clueless moron you are gets boring quick.

Do us all a favour and just stick to subjects about Baines because at least then you look sound.

 

the whole tone of that pretty much proves my point.

 

Snob. Can't imagine what you think you've done to consider yourself so superior, you certainly aren't superior to me, but such is life.

 

Leaze you could read white in the word black without even trying and you'd still only be the fifth best.

Who's a fucking snob? Not me mate I don't go on here about how good I've made out or about my working class background as if it's a badge of honour.

But also, I would never agree with the words and sentiment of a man who wishes he was Thatcher's son/husband/lover like you and a few others are.

I'm also not stupid enough to be duped into believing that muslims living within our communities want to live under Islamic Sharia law because some racist, elitist politician wants to scare a few more voters into voting for him (that's where these words originally came from, an electoral campaign).

So keep calling me a snob or a cunt or whatever because you know best.

 

I wasn't going on about anything, I was responding to you. Dickhead.

 

No idea whatsoever why you are harping on about Thatcher BTW.

 

If you don't think a sizeable amount of muslims in this country wouldn't be happy to live under Sharia Law, then you are indeed stupid.

[Guest alex]

Howard always reminds me of Les Patterson.

[manc-mag 1]

The superfluous 's' reminds me of Matt Lucas' Gerri Halliwell character talking about her friend 'George Michaels'

[Meenzer 15877]

The superfluous 's' reminds me of Matt Lucas' Gerri Halliwell character talking about her friend 'George Michaels'

Me too.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Snob, knob and cunt.

And that's just in the last two pages, you three really are big men, the future of the thinking world.

But then your attitude to anything other than your own small minded values is fuck off cunts anyway, isn't it?

Stevie, you don't know what you're talking about and as usual the tirade of insults and bullshit you spit when you have been shown to be the clueless moron you are gets boring quick.

Do us all a favour and just stick to subjects about Baines because at least then you look sound.

 

 

Ooooh, larty tittle

[sammynb 3655]

Howard always reminds me of Les Patterson.

 

Mr Garrison from South Park.

 

Whereas a few in this thread are all a bit to Eddie Booth for my liking.

[Guest alex]

Howard always reminds me of Les Patterson.

 

Mr Garrison from South Park.

 

Whereas a few in this thread are all a bit to Eddie Booth for my liking.

Love that story about Howard's sporting prowess (or lack thereof) btw. The cricket one where he attempted a bit of off-spin in India iirc. He's a good sport though - see the medal presentation at the end of Rugby World Cup. Made a proper tool of himself.

[ChezGiven 0]

Here's a thought:

 

France is so left-wing it fucking makes my eyes bleed, neo-marxist twats believe that the government hand is an efficient guide to resource allocation and that the invisible hand of the market is in fact the hand of the devil. Their universities are full of pseudo-commie twats preaching out-dated economic ideals and who can only bury their heads in the sand in the face of globalisation.

 

Muslim women are not allowed to wear a veil at those universities though, thats a matter for the individual sphere of life and not the public sphere of life. The latter is governed by the 5th republic and fuck anyone who thinks otherwise. Quite right too and if you floated the idea of sharia law, it wouldnt last 10 seconds.

 

Interesting that people equate 'left-wing' with tolerance, as that what leads to a confusion of the issues. The constitution of the land provides your liberties, rights and the principles of law. Tolerance is a by-product of these principles as it defines the relationship between individual behaviour and the role of the state. The state defines the right to protest, it doesnt 'tolerate' protest, if you see what i mean,

 

I think the basic point is that, defined within the British constitution, there is a degree of liberty that allows different political, ethnic or religious groups to voice opinions and wishes about their lives. However, the sanctity of the constitution that allows that expression (wholly missing from Islamic cultures like Saudi Arabia) should be upheld beyond all other values in life.

 

Sharia law doesnt allow this, as law and rights and liberties are defined within the Qu'ran. Not surprisingly, our moral codes and laws owe a great deal to christianity but with one key difference, the Magna Carta broke the papal influence over the people through the king and started the process of public rights. That was in 1215 btw.

 

Protecting the great principles of democracy in the UK should be the focus, not distate for the principles of others. That means Stevie has the right to post those views without being called a racist and that muslims are allowed to propose Sharia law within Islamic communities in the UK. Shouting 'Racist' 'Leftie' or 'Terrorist' just stifles the debate.

[Guest alex]

Good post that. Not sure the thread deserved it like. I don't think anyone on here is, for one moment, advocating Sharia Law but the right to express that view is as important as any other type of freedom of expression. One thing that worries me is that a lot of media focus is on extreme groups (they are newsworthy tbf) while the views of more moderate Muslims, who make up the vast majority in my experience aren't always heard. That to me is devisive and unhelpful. The same goes for the speech in the OP, if it had been really made. It's not so much the ideas in it, which I subscribe to generally (minus the Christian bollocks), it's the way in which it would be a cheap vote-winner, alienating Muslims further with its tone and appealing to those who oppose all immigration and so on. I.e. it doesn't help one bit either.

[ChezGiven 0]

Not sure the thread deserved it either, it should have died on the first page and shunted into Gold. A great lesson in checking your facts before posting something. Funny nonetheless.

 

As for the right to express views (in this case about Sharia law or cultural integration) thats spot on alex and the problem i see is that debates like this are now characterised by 'well if you think that then you must be a racist/leftie/terrorist'. I find both sides of these sort of debates do that and its daft.

[Park Life 71]

General point.

 

Govt. love talking about race/religion etc keeps the gumbies eyes off the ball ie healthcare, tax, pension.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4098]

Here's a thought:

 

France is so left-wing it fucking makes my eyes bleed, neo-marxist twats believe that the government hand is an efficient guide to resource allocation and that the invisible hand of the market is in fact the hand of the devil. Their universities are full of pseudo-commie twats preaching out-dated economic ideals and who can only bury their heads in the sand in the face of globalisation.

 

Muslim women are not allowed to wear a veil at those universities though, thats a matter for the individual sphere of life and not the public sphere of life. The latter is governed by the 5th republic and fuck anyone who thinks otherwise. Quite right too and if you floated the idea of sharia law, it wouldnt last 10 seconds.

 

Interesting that people equate 'left-wing' with tolerance, as that what leads to a confusion of the issues. The constitution of the land provides your liberties, rights and the principles of law. Tolerance is a by-product of these principles as it defines the relationship between individual behaviour and the role of the state. The state defines the right to protest, it doesnt 'tolerate' protest, if you see what i mean,

 

I think the basic point is that, defined within the British constitution, there is a degree of liberty that allows different political, ethnic or religious groups to voice opinions and wishes about their lives. However, the sanctity of the constitution that allows that expression (wholly missing from Islamic cultures like Saudi Arabia) should be upheld beyond all other values in life.

 

Sharia law doesnt allow this, as law and rights and liberties are defined within the Qu'ran. Not surprisingly, our moral codes and laws owe a great deal to christianity but with one key difference, the Magna Carta broke the papal influence over the people through the king and started the process of public rights. That was in 1215 btw.

 

Protecting the great principles of democracy in the UK should be the focus, not distate for the principles of others. That means Stevie has the right to post those views without being called a racist and that muslims are allowed to propose Sharia law within Islamic communities in the UK. Shouting 'Racist' 'Leftie' or 'Terrorist' just stifles the debate.

 

The biggest pile of bollocks in the world and a complete and utter myth. Adam Smith was talking complete shite when he wrote that.

[Rob W 0]

Here's a thought:

 

France is so left-wing it fucking makes my eyes bleed, neo-marxist twats believe that the government hand is an efficient guide to resource allocation and that the invisible hand of the market is in fact the hand of the devil. Their universities are full of pseudo-commie twats preaching out-dated economic ideals and who can only bury their heads in the sand in the face of globalisation.

 

Muslim women are not allowed to wear a veil at those universities though, thats a matter for the individual sphere of life and not the public sphere of life. The latter is governed by the 5th republic and fuck anyone who thinks otherwise. Quite right too and if you floated the idea of sharia law, it wouldnt last 10 seconds.

 

Interesting that people equate 'left-wing' with tolerance, as that what leads to a confusion of the issues. The constitution of the land provides your liberties, rights and the principles of law. Tolerance is a by-product of these principles as it defines the relationship between individual behaviour and the role of the state. The state defines the right to protest, it doesnt 'tolerate' protest, if you see what i mean,

 

I think the basic point is that, defined within the British constitution, there is a degree of liberty that allows different political, ethnic or religious groups to voice opinions and wishes about their lives. However, the sanctity of the constitution that allows that expression (wholly missing from Islamic cultures like Saudi Arabia) should be upheld beyond all other values in life.

 

Sharia law doesnt allow this, as law and rights and liberties are defined within the Qu'ran. Not surprisingly, our moral codes and laws owe a great deal to christianity but with one key difference, the Magna Carta broke the papal influence over the people through the king and started the process of public rights. That was in 1215 btw.

 

Protecting the great principles of democracy in the UK should be the focus, not distate for the principles of others. That means Stevie has the right to post those views without being called a racist and that muslims are allowed to propose Sharia law within Islamic communities in the UK. Shouting 'Racist' 'Leftie' or 'Terrorist' just stifles the debate.

 

 

I always thought Magna Carta was breaking the absolute power of the KING OF ENGLAND over his subjects - there was a bit of a hoo-ha about the election of the Archbishop of Canterbury but that was nothing particularly new