Steven Taylor

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Ah shit, my mistake.

 

Taylor does have strength, particularly when he's barging players over on the edge of the area. He even makes Ameobi look patient in the tackle tbh.

 

How many penalties does this spanner give away anyway?

 

 

None this season.

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LM, genuine question. What do you think are Taylor's (maybe a bit raw) strengths that make him an exceptional talent?

 

I don't think he's exceptional, but it depends what you look for in central defenders. I think he has the strength, courage, desire, heart and committment that you want in a centre half. I think people are overstating his supposed lack of positioning, reading the game etc, of course he's made some mistakes. All goals come from mistakes, according to coaching manuals. They learn from experience.

 

There are loads of centre halfs that have played and improve all through their careers ie Richard Dunne, Jamie Carragher, going back further, Jackie Charlton [and don't tell me the game has changed because Richard Dunne in particular is just like what Jackie Charlton was] Taylor for me is like those players, he'll just get better all the time as he plays. He'll be solid and dependable and won't hide when the chips are down.

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Ah shit, my mistake.

 

Taylor does have strength, particularly when he's barging players over on the edge of the area. He even makes Ameobi look patient in the tackle tbh.

 

How many penalties does this spanner give away anyway?

 

 

None this season.

 

At least he's improved on that.

 

Saying that though, he could have conceded one on Saturday and he should have conceded one against Man Utd when he chose to randomly stick a leg out with Ronaldo running at him.

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Courage, desire, heart and commitment basically the same thing?

 

I've got all 4 and it doesn't make me a decent player.

Edited February 11, 2008 by Sima

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Courage, desire, heart and commitment basically the same thing?

 

I've got all 4 and it doesn't make me a decent player.

 

point proven. You don't have to be a pretty footballer to be a good centre half.

 

Edit. No they are not the same, and you can add Colin Hendry to my previuos list

Edited February 11, 2008 by LeazesMag

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Courage, desire, heart and commitment basically the same thing?

 

I've got all 4 and it doesn't make me a decent player.

 

point proven. You don't have to be a pretty footballer to be a good centre half.

 

So when do I sign my contract and replace Taylor then?

 

I'd be fucking gutted if I lose my place to Rio Ferdinand as well as he wouldn't really the same level of courage, heart, desire and commitment that I have for Newcastle.

Edited February 11, 2008 by Sima

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Courage, desire, heart and commitment basically the same thing?

 

I've got all 4 and it doesn't make me a decent player.

 

point proven. You don't have to be a pretty footballer to be a good centre half.

 

So when do I sign my contract and replace Taylor then?

 

 

Well, I'm 53 and still not bad on the ball and can read the game so maybe I'll sign up too

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Courage, desire, heart and commitment basically the same thing?

 

I've got all 4 and it doesn't make me a decent player.

 

point proven. You don't have to be a pretty footballer to be a good centre half.

 

So when do I sign my contract and replace Taylor then?

 

I'd be fucking gutted if I lose my place to Rio Ferdinand as well as he wouldn't really the same level of courage, heart, desire and commitment that I have for Newcastle.

 

What about Vidic then ?

 

Tell you now sima, if Newcastle put Taylor up for sale there won't be a shortage of big clubs wanting him

Edited February 11, 2008 by LeazesMag

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He needs to start cutting the errors out if he is going to develop though. I think what worries me about him more than anything is that he hasn't developed much in my eyes. That was his 100th start for the first team in a competitive match according to .com. Hardly inexperienced any more. I know he's young but experience is a bigger factor than age imo.

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You're basically proving outsider's views that it's all about commitment and pride as well.

 

Lets just fill our team with 11 grafters eh, with absolutely no footballing qualities whatsoever?

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Courage, desire, heart and commitment basically the same thing?

 

I've got all 4 and it doesn't make me a decent player.

 

point proven. You don't have to be a pretty footballer to be a good centre half.

 

So when do I sign my contract and replace Taylor then?

 

I'd be fucking gutted if I lose my place to Rio Ferdinand as well as he wouldn't really the same level of courage, heart, desire and commitment that I have for Newcastle.

 

What about Vidic then ?

 

Well, I started by saying someone that has been accused of lacking heart and commitment then ended with changing it to more than me. Vidic has more of those qualities than Ferdinand so it could have easily applied to him in the end.

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You're basically proving outsider's views that it's all about commitment and pride as well.

 

Lets just fill our team with 11 grafters eh, with absolutely no footballing qualities whatsoever?

 

like Craig Bellamy had you mean ?

 

What a pity you didn't see Tony Green. Now theres a player, skill, graft, desire, pace, everything. I bet you think the likes of Arsprilla compare do you ie technical ability but stroll around not giving a shite

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Remind me who Craig Bellamy plays for again? Besides the point as Bellamy had/has qualites though.

 

As for players strolling round not with the appearance of not giving a shite, Cantona springs to mind. Suppose he was shite as well?

Edited February 11, 2008 by Sima

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Remind me who Craig Bellamy plays for again? Besides the point as Bellamy had/has qualites though.

 

As for players strolling round not with the appearance of not giving a shite, Cantona springs to mind. Suppose he was shite as well?

 

Arsprilla couldn't lace Cantonas boots mate

 

BTW, Bellamy is on the books of a team above Newcastle right now, who were miles below us when he played for us.

 

Thats West Ham, the new Newcastle, so some people said. If only we had the points on the board that they have right now, even with a hopeless manager too

Edited February 11, 2008 by LeazesMag

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Remind me who Craig Bellamy plays for again? Besides the point as Bellamy had/has qualites though.

 

As for players strolling round not with the appearance of not giving a shite, Cantona springs to mind. Suppose he was shite as well?

 

Arsprilla couldn't lace Cantonas boots mate

 

Obviously but not even my point.

 

Cantona gave the impression of strolling around not giving a shit, seen as he didn't seem like a grafter was it a detriment to his footballing ability?

 

Hopeless manager? I take it you mean Curbishley? What utter fucking bollocks.

Edited February 11, 2008 by Sima

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LM, genuine question. What do you think are Taylor's (maybe a bit raw) strengths that make him an exceptional talent?

 

I don't think he's exceptional, but it depends what you look for in central defenders. I think he has the strength, courage, desire, heart and committment that you want in a centre half. I think people are overstating his supposed lack of positioning, reading the game etc, of course he's made some mistakes. All goals come from mistakes, according to coaching manuals. They learn from experience.

 

There are loads of centre halfs that have played and improve all through their careers ie Richard Dunne, Jamie Carragher, going back further, Jackie Charlton [and don't tell me the game has changed because Richard Dunne in particular is just like what Jackie Charlton was] Taylor for me is like those players, he'll just get better all the time as he plays. He'll be solid and dependable and won't hide when the chips are down.

Thanks. I just wanted to know as I remember you saying that he will be an England international for the years to come. No, I won't say that the game has changed in that way, but I very much disagree about people overstating positional skills and reading of the game. I think these are the skills that separate players of international standard from ordinary players. And imho Taylor is lacking seriously in these departments and more worryingly not really learning to edge out his shortcomings. Making mistakes is one thing, making the same mistakes again and again is another. His poor positioning and timing often means that he realises problems far too late. He is making up for it by his commitment, but this is far too often resulting in needless fouls. Also his distribution to the game is very poor. His passing too often puts his team mates under pressure (especially Given who is very poor with the ball at his feet anyway). Again this imho down to his poor understanding of the game.

 

I am not saying that I don't think that Taylor won't get better and prove himself as a decent Premierleague player. But I can't see him becoming a leading defender at club or international level. I hope to be proven wrong though.

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Remind me who Craig Bellamy plays for again? Besides the point as Bellamy had/has qualites though.

 

As for players strolling round not with the appearance of not giving a shite, Cantona springs to mind. Suppose he was shite as well?

 

Arsprilla couldn't lace Cantonas boots mate

 

BTW, Bellamy is on the books of a team above Newcastle right now, who were miles below us when he played for us.

 

Thats West Ham, the new Newcastle, so some people said. If only we had the points on the board that they have right now, even with a hopeless manager too

You were slating West Ham's board last season iirc.

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Remind me who Craig Bellamy plays for again? Besides the point as Bellamy had/has qualites though.

 

As for players strolling round not with the appearance of not giving a shite, Cantona springs to mind. Suppose he was shite as well?

 

Arsprilla couldn't lace Cantonas boots mate

 

Obviously but not even my point.

 

Cantona gave the impression of strolling around not giving a shit, seen as he didn't seem like a grafter was it a detriment to his footballing ability?

 

Hopeless manager? I take it you mean Curbishley? What utter fucking bollocks.

 

Don't think Cantona strolled around at all.

 

Curbishley is an average manager at best, suited to small clubs like Charlton and West Ham, with zero personality, zero charisma. A big job like us, ManCity etc would be far too much for him.

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Remind me who Craig Bellamy plays for again? Besides the point as Bellamy had/has qualites though.

 

As for players strolling round not with the appearance of not giving a shite, Cantona springs to mind. Suppose he was shite as well?

 

Arsprilla couldn't lace Cantonas boots mate

 

BTW, Bellamy is on the books of a team above Newcastle right now, who were miles below us when he played for us.

 

Thats West Ham, the new Newcastle, so some people said. If only we had the points on the board that they have right now, even with a hopeless manager too

You were slating West Ham's board last season iirc.

 

I know. I'm being ironic, being as they are now above us, on account of bringing in some decent players [some of whom came from us]

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Remind me who Craig Bellamy plays for again? Besides the point as Bellamy had/has qualites though.

 

As for players strolling round not with the appearance of not giving a shite, Cantona springs to mind. Suppose he was shite as well?

 

Arsprilla couldn't lace Cantonas boots mate

 

Obviously but not even my point.

 

Cantona gave the impression of strolling around not giving a shit, seen as he didn't seem like a grafter was it a detriment to his footballing ability?

 

Hopeless manager? I take it you mean Curbishley? What utter fucking bollocks.

 

Don't think Cantona strolled around at all.

 

Curbishley is an average manager at best, suited to small clubs like Charlton and West Ham, with zero personality, zero charisma. A big job like us, ManCity etc would be far too much for him.

 

Cantona didn't put as much graft in as Bellamy does. Who is the better player?

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Remind me who Craig Bellamy plays for again? Besides the point as Bellamy had/has qualites though.

 

As for players strolling round not with the appearance of not giving a shite, Cantona springs to mind. Suppose he was shite as well?

 

Arsprilla couldn't lace Cantonas boots mate

 

BTW, Bellamy is on the books of a team above Newcastle right now, who were miles below us when he played for us.

 

Thats West Ham, the new Newcastle, so some people said. If only we had the points on the board that they have right now, even with a hopeless manager too

You were slating West Ham's board last season iirc.

 

I know. I'm being ironic, being as they are now above us, on account of bringing in some decent players [some of whom came from us]

Our new regime just needs a bit of time man

Their squad pisses on ours like. I'd love to have Nobby and Bellamy back at present.

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I know. I'm being ironic, being as they are now above us, on account of bringing in some decent players [some of whom came from us]

 

Bought by an "average manager"

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LM, genuine question. What do you think are Taylor's (maybe a bit raw) strengths that make him an exceptional talent?

 

I don't think he's exceptional, but it depends what you look for in central defenders. I think he has the strength, courage, desire, heart and committment that you want in a centre half. I think people are overstating his supposed lack of positioning, reading the game etc, of course he's made some mistakes. All goals come from mistakes, according to coaching manuals. They learn from experience.

 

There are loads of centre halfs that have played and improve all through their careers ie Richard Dunne, Jamie Carragher, going back further, Jackie Charlton [and don't tell me the game has changed because Richard Dunne in particular is just like what Jackie Charlton was] Taylor for me is like those players, he'll just get better all the time as he plays. He'll be solid and dependable and won't hide when the chips are down.

Thanks. I just wanted to know as I remember you saying that he will be an England international for the years to come. No, I won't say that the game has changed in that way, but I very much disagree about people overstating positional skills and reading of the game. I think these are the skills that separate players of international standard from ordinary players. And imho Taylor is lacking seriously in these departments and more worryingly not really learning to edge out his shortcomings. Making mistakes is one thing, making the same mistakes again and again is another. His poor positioning and timing often means that he realises problems far too late. He is making up for it by his commitment, but this is far too often resulting in needless fouls. Also his distribution to the game is very poor. His passing too often puts his team mates under pressure (especially Given who is very poor with the ball at his feet anyway). Again this imho down to his poor understanding of the game.

 

I am not saying that I don't think that Taylor won't get better and prove himself as a decent Premierleague player. But I can't see him becoming a leading defender at club or international level. I hope to be proven wrong though.

 

yep, I'll admit to that. Not a bad call so far though for what was, at the time, an 18 or 19 year old kid ?

 

I agree to make the step up takes more footballing ability -as an extra dimension - but to be honest if Taylor performs for us and wins a few England caps like Carragher for Liverpool I'll be quite happy with him.

 

Like many people, I think playing alongside a real quality partner would bring on this side of his game further, but that partner certainly isn't Cacapa.

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I know. I'm being ironic, being as they are now above us, on account of bringing in some decent players [some of whom came from us]

 

Bought by an "average manager"

 

 

maybe, but backed by a board trying to do their best for the club by backing him as much as possible.

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Re: the backpasses to Given, how often does he control the ball with time and space and then turn towards goal and give it back to Given? I know the movement from the rest of the team and players wanting the ball etc. isn't great but giving it back to Given, with his awful distribution, is just passing the buck imo.