Happy Face 29 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 (edited) Sounds like mackem talk to me. "It'll be fine if we go down because we came up a year too soon" Bollocks! If we drop out of the top flight it'll be the worst thing to have happened to the club in 20 years, whichever way you look at it. But most especially with the increased TV revenue deal just around the corner. Edited February 1, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 But then we can also look at Manchester City - it's not that long since they dropped into the third tier and had to re-invent themselves and look where they are now. OK, they're probably not going to trouble the top 4 this season, but they're undoubtedly in a far better position than we are when we've stayed in the same league over the whole period when they left the top tier and have come back to it. Did going down help Man City in ANY way whatsoever? After Keegan got them back up they yo-yo'd a few years and have only had a bit of a run this season due to a new owner and a new world class manager. We've already got that without going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 But then we can also look at Manchester City - it's not that long since they dropped into the third tier and had to re-invent themselves and look where they are now. OK, they're probably not going to trouble the top 4 this season, but they're undoubtedly in a far better position than we are when we've stayed in the same league over the whole period when they left the top tier and have come back to it. Did going down help Man City in ANY way whatsoever? After Keegan got them back up they yo-yo'd a few years and have only had a bit of a run this season due to a new owner and a new world class manager. We've already got that without going down. Well they're serving up football that is a damned sight better than the dross that they were showing when they were relegated from the Premiership... Dross that isn't uncomparable to what we're showing now tttt Took them time, but they've got there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 We've got 42 points to play for. This season we've averaged 1.125 points per game so far. As a finger in the air, if we're twice as good now Keegan's arrived and we get 2.25 PPG, that's worth another 31 points. That'll be a 58 point total. Last season that was enough for 6th place. I'm happy with how we've performed since Keegan arrived, but no way are we 100% better than we were. You're demented Nicos. We'll lose the next 3 games straight and then it will be down to beating Blackburn at home in March. April is a good month reg fix and we might nick 3 wins. Who the fuck told you that? The guy from the newspaper? It's called an opinion Dave. I hope to god we do get summat from the Boro game cause there are 2 very tough ones after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 We can start fresh without the need to getting relegated. It would be utter disaster especially with the TV money or lack of it if we did get relegated. I'm backing KK to overhaul the squad in the summer. He'll know we have a squad that is lacking in class with the exception of 4 or 5 players. Many fans have overstated the quality of our squad in the past, but the reality is finally sinking in. It's a good thing that we are struggling now in a way, so long as we don't get relegated, but KK will know we have too many grafters in the squad. Players who shouldn't even be in the squad, or present first teamers who are only squad players to be called on when there's an injury crisis. The infrastructure has finally been put in place now with Wise, Vetere and Jiminez to work with KK. We're getting some young talent into the squad who could turn out to be peaches in 3-4 years time, and I suspect that'll continue to happen. Phase 2 begins in the summer with some culling of mediocre players and bringing in some decent signings. All this can be done without the need of being relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 But then we can also look at Manchester City - it's not that long since they dropped into the third tier and had to re-invent themselves and look where they are now. OK, they're probably not going to trouble the top 4 this season, but they're undoubtedly in a far better position than we are when we've stayed in the same league over the whole period when they left the top tier and have come back to it. Did going down help Man City in ANY way whatsoever? After Keegan got them back up they yo-yo'd a few years and have only had a bit of a run this season due to a new owner and a new world class manager. We've already got that without going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44879 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Has HTT hacked Craig's account btw? Exactly what I thought when I read the post. Have a word man Craig, you spastification! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 We've got 42 points to play for. This season we've averaged 1.125 points per game so far. As a finger in the air, if we're twice as good now Keegan's arrived and we get 2.25 PPG, that's worth another 31 points. That'll be a 58 point total. Last season that was enough for 6th place. I'm happy with how we've performed since Keegan arrived, but no way are we 100% better than we were. The stats man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 But then we can also look at Manchester City - it's not that long since they dropped into the third tier and had to re-invent themselves and look where they are now. OK, they're probably not going to trouble the top 4 this season, but they're undoubtedly in a far better position than we are when we've stayed in the same league over the whole period when they left the top tier and have come back to it. Did going down help Man City in ANY way whatsoever? After Keegan got them back up they yo-yo'd a few years and have only had a bit of a run this season due to a new owner and a new world class manager. We've already got that without going down. Walking in a Keegan wonderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 We've got 42 points to play for. This season we've averaged 1.125 points per game so far. As a finger in the air, if we're twice as good now Keegan's arrived and we get 2.25 PPG, that's worth another 31 points. That'll be a 58 point total. Last season that was enough for 6th place. I'm happy with how we've performed since Keegan arrived, but no way are we 100% better than we were. The stats man! 0.62% of yourposts are to ridicule my high regard for facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 It would be absolutely catastrophic. I doubt we would recover from it in the next decade to any kind of decent standard. Contrary to popular belief we would not get 52k try 30k + The newspapers would love it, just love it if we went down They would never let us live it down We would lose what little credibility we have left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 We'll lose the next 3 games straight Ya burnt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Well Craig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 In the long run I don't think it was a bad thing at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Ah a breakdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) You know, I've been waiting for this thread to pop up again.. Edited April 24, 2012 by sweetleftpeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheMag 4 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Does anyone think that we'd be in the state we are now if we weren't relegated? Because I don't think we would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21624 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Does anyone think that we'd be in the state we are now if we weren't relegated? Because I don't think we would be No. It really was a blessing in disguise and was a great season to boot. Fact is i've enjoyed these last three seasons more than any since we finished 3rd in the league under Robson. Arguably I've enjoyed them even more in fact because I respect this group of players more and it's been so unexpected. Keegan (1st coming as manager), and 4th under Robson, were even better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Does anyone think that we'd be in the state we are now if we weren't relegated? Because I don't think we would be I think it helped and I thought it could at the time. Not that it was guaranteed by any means, but that it could have that benefit if the club dealt with it with the right attitude and saw it as an opportunity. Also, I don't think we "missed out on anything" in the meantime. Our trophy haul is precisely nil for over 40 years and so relegation only affected one trophy we were eligible to enter (and had no prospect of wining anyway) for a total of 1 year. I didnt lose much sleep over that funnily enough. It's different if you're a team which has a winning pedigree, but we don't. We have to work hard to establish one, and that's best done from scratch. It was used as an opportunity and it's been taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 No. It really was a blessing in disguise and was a great season to boot. Fact is i've enjoyed these last three seasons more than any since we finished 3rd in the league under Robson. Arguably I've enjoyed them even more in fact because I respect this group of players more and it's been so unexpected. Keegan (1st coming as manager), and 4th under Robson, were even better though. Think that's just about exactly where I stand too in terms of how it's stacked up/enjoyment/sense of fulfilment. Looking forward to next season for the 3rd season on the belt now. Canny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9404 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 No. It really was a blessing in disguise and was a great season to boot. Fact is i've enjoyed these last three seasons more than any since we finished 3rd in the league under Robson. Arguably I've enjoyed them even more in fact because I respect this group of players more and it's been so unexpected. Keegan (1st coming as manager), and 4th under Robson, were even better though. It was "great" on two fronts, first it made us slash and burn the fat very quickly and it switched the light on with Ashley that the advice he'd been getting was utter shite, it was around then he made the changes, nare a foot wrong since (contentious ground name notwithstanding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 It was "great" on two fronts, first it made us slash and burn the fat very quickly and it switched the light on with Ashley that the advice he'd been getting was utter shite, it was around then he made the changes, nare a foot wrong since (contentious ground name notwithstanding). The 'deadwood' and players that were here for their wages were jumping ship, whereas if we stayed up not as many would have ran off. It also had the bonus of giving players who were bedding in the confidence of winning week in week out i.e. Enrique and Colocinni and they were far better players and brimming with confidence by the time we got promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 No. It really was a blessing in disguise and was a great season to boot. Fact is i've enjoyed these last three seasons more than any since we finished 3rd in the league under Robson. Arguably I've enjoyed them even more in fact because I respect this group of players more and it's been so unexpected. Keegan (1st coming as manager), and 4th under Robson, were even better though. Yup, agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9404 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 The 'deadwood' and players that were here for their wages were jumping ship, whereas if we stayed up not as many would have ran off. It also had the bonus of giving players who were bedding in the confidence of winning week in week out i.e. Enrique and Colocinni and they were far better players and brimming with confidence by the time we got promoted. Aye, many thought those two were shit until they "blossomed" in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 I don't think we've got the mugs/laughing stock/gravy train stigma anymore and I'll bet we're not on any agents' bulk email list for their final payday/retirement fund clients either. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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