Relegation - would it really be such a bad thing?

[Craig 6700]

OK, instant reaction from most (me included if i'm totally honest) is that I'd be totally against Newcastle United being relegated from the Premiership but thinking out of the box, would it really be such a bad thing?

 

Many of you have commented recently how we don't seem to be able to attract the players we need because we're playing so shit and that we're playing shit because we don't have the quality of players we need. So how do we get out of the vicious circle? It might look like a massive step backwards but relegation could offer the opportunity to erradicate the dead-wood, the high wage-earners who, lets face it, aren't earning anywhere near what they're being paid. They'd almost certainly be the first to fuck off citing that there's no way they'd play in the 2nd tier of the English league.

 

But the silver lining to that cloud is that we can start afresh - go back to the days when we had dross and young, ehthusiastic, almost unknown players were drafted in and formed a 'team' that became unstoppable. The last time NUFC has a 'team' of any recognition IMO was during the Robson era and even then there were obvious gaps and the 'team' began to break-up before SBR was relieved of his duties.

 

Since then all we've ever had is a bunch of players who have show potential or talent at other clubs but who have never gelled as a team at Newcastle United.

 

What about the financial aspect of dropping a league? Well thankfully we have a cash-rich owner who it seems to me, is in this for the long run and wants the club to succeed - not just there as a means to increase the weight of his pockets. He'd make sure that a relegation wouldn't cripple us and of course there is a balloon payment to take into consideration.

 

We've been on a rapid decline now for about 4-5 years - we need to get real, we're not going to be able to buy in a couple of players who suddenly turn it all around and we become Champions League contenders. A decline always occurs a damned sight more rapidly than a rise and I think we're going to be looking at the best part of 8-10 years before we can even consider being back to where we were between 1996 & 2003.

 

There is a risk of dropping out of the top flight and disappearing into obscurity and people will no doubt reference Leeds & Nottingham Forest and probably some of the older peeps might even pull up the names of Wolves or Swansea.

 

But then we can also look at Manchester City - it's not that long since they dropped into the third tier and had to re-invent themselves and look where they are now. OK, they're probably not going to trouble the top 4 this season, but they're undoubtedly in a far better position than we are when we've stayed in the same league over the whole period when they left the top tier and have come back to it.

 

Like I said, instinctively I am against relegation - I've exerienced it once with this club and it's horrible. But maybe, just maybe in the long run it's what we need...

 

Any comments?

[sweetleftpeg 0]

Yes, it would be a very bad thing.

[snakehips 0]

Relegation would be an unmitigated disaster. FACT!

 

Your argument falls down with your assumption that we could re-buid in the Championship. We would really struggle imo.

[Guest alex]

Unmitigated disaster. And there's absolutely no guarentee we'd come straight back up as we'd have to paractically give away anybody on a half-decent wage.

[Guest alex]

Great minds, eh?

[Dr Gloom 22168]

yes. it would be a fucking nightmare. you just have to look at what's happened to other big clubs that have gone down like leeds and wednesday.

[snakehips 0]

Great minds, eh?

 

Ha ha, I just saw your first post. I thought you were referring to Craig/Gol, or is it Gol/Craig

[Tooj 17]

Disaster.

[snakehips 0]

Disaster.

 

 

What about the 'unmitigated' bit? Thicko

[sweetleftpeg 0]

Boooo...Craig out!

[snakehips 0]

Boooo...Craig out!

 

 

Wait til LM sees Craig's thread :icon_lol:

[Guest alex]

Personally I think we'll come about 14th, spend big in the summer and be challenging for Europe next season. I think the negativity over the transfer window and the last few results is a bit weird. There's only Bolton that was a disappointment for me and it was still an encouraging display I thought.

Also, the likes of Portsmouth, Blackburn, Everton et al aren't that good and they've been building slowly for a good while now. We need some patience in terms of getting back into the top 4 but for me there's only 3 teams that are head and shoulders above the rest. Liverpool just have 3 or 4 class players rather than a great team.

[BigAl 0]

Relegation would be horrendous there is no doubt about that, survival is so important for this season and a major overhaul in the summer is the way to go.

Expectations for this season have been unrealistic from the start, we finished 5 points above the relegation places last season so a real mid table position ie. 10 points above relegation would of been a move in the right direction.

Come the summer the club if/when it avoids relegation will be a more attractive proposition for new players all the turmoil will hopefully of settled down and Keegan, Ashley, Mort, Wise and Uncle Tom Cobbley an all can sell the club and the way forward without the pressure of survival.

[ewerk 31213]

But then we can also look at Manchester City - it's not that long since they dropped into the third tier and had to re-invent themselves and look where they are now. OK, they're probably not going to trouble the top 4 this season, but they're undoubtedly in a far better position than we are when we've stayed in the same league over the whole period when they left the top tier and have come back to it.

 

City being relegated has nothing to do with their current success, since coming back into the PL they've been a mid/lower table team. City have improved this season simply because they brought it a top manager who was generously backed by their new owner, if we can replicate that formula I'll be very happy.

[Guest alex]

Has HTT hacked Craig's account btw?

[Asprilla 96]

We are a mid table side with recent Champions League and UEFA cup experience.

 

I'm sick of 3 year and 5 year plans. Momentum is a huge part of success and the right team heading in the right direction can get somewhere much more quickly than a huge lumbering organisation that doesn't know its arse from its elbow. Souness and Allardyce "needed" 5 years. The trouble is there was absolutely no sign of improvement.

 

 

We will have to dig deep financially if we want quick success. The Villas, Portsmouths and Evertons will all spend reasonable money this summer and we have to wait and see whether Ashley wants to do it on the cheap or get the ball rolling quickly.

 

To rebuild our current side could take as much as £100m but it would set the tone for the future and show that we mean business, even if we end up paying over the odds for a few players.

 

 

The other option is to wait and wait and wait and build the club slowly but in the meantime, other clubs are jumping the queue.

 

 

I really think we have a good chairman in Chris Mort and I hope that the new structuring of the club (and the buying of young talent) will start to bear fruit in the future, but if we have any aspiration of not falling further down the league we need to spend big and that is just a fact of football these days.

[Guest alex]

We are a mid table side with recent Champions League and UEFA cup experience.

 

I'm sick of 3 year and 5 year plans. Momentum is a huge part of success and the right team heading in the right direction can get somewhere much more quickly than a huge lumbering organisation that doesn't know its arse from its elbow. Souness and Allardyce "needed" 5 years. The trouble is there was absolutely no sign of improvement.

 

 

We will have to dig deep financially if we want quick success. The Villas, Portsmouths and Evertons will all spend reasonable money this summer and we have to wait and see whether Ashley wants to do it on the cheap or get the ball rolling quickly.

 

To rebuild our current side could take as much as £100m but it would set the tone for the future and show that we mean business, even if we end up paying over the odds for a few players.

 

 

The other option is to wait and wait and wait and build the club slowly but in the meantime, other clubs are jumping the queue.

 

 

I really think we have a good chairman in Chris Mort and I hope that the new structuring of the club (and the buying of young talent) will start to bear fruit in the future, but if we have any aspiration of not falling further down the league we need to spend big and that is just a fact of football these days.

Good post, I agree.

[Park Life 71]

We are a mid table side with recent Champions League and UEFA cup experience.

 

I'm sick of 3 year and 5 year plans. Momentum is a huge part of success and the right team heading in the right direction can get somewhere much more quickly than a huge lumbering organisation that doesn't know its arse from its elbow. Souness and Allardyce "needed" 5 years. The trouble is there was absolutely no sign of improvement.

 

 

We will have to dig deep financially if we want quick success. The Villas, Portsmouths and Evertons will all spend reasonable money this summer and we have to wait and see whether Ashley wants to do it on the cheap or get the ball rolling quickly.

 

To rebuild our current side could take as much as £100m but it would set the tone for the future and show that we mean business, even if we end up paying over the odds for a few players.

 

 

The other option is to wait and wait and wait and build the club slowly but in the meantime, other clubs are jumping the queue.

 

 

I really think we have a good chairman in Chris Mort and I hope that the new structuring of the club (and the buying of young talent) will start to bear fruit in the future, but if we have any aspiration of not falling further down the league we need to spend big and that is just a fact of football these days.

 

 

I mentioned this figure a couple weeks ago on N.O. taking into account the current market and some people seem shocked by it.

 

 

Reg the OP sides re-build when they gain promotion to the PL not visa versa.

 

 

IMO the current football model especially the PL is wholly driven by speculation, as many as a dozen sides are hoovering up whatever talent they can attract and yes some have leap-frogged us. The patient re-building model is not pertinent in this environment as you fall behind season by season and the downward spiral gives the club even less opp to compete for good players (this is in affect already).

 

 

Mort is a steady chairman but not an instinctive one. Maybe the eye of Wise is needed.

Edited February 1, 2008 by Park Life

[Isegrim 9906]

I want Chayton back.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

Look, if we want to be abig club, we have to start acting like one. It's shit or bust time now. Time to grow some balls.

[Tooj 17]

Look, if we want to be abig club, we have to start acting like one. It's shit or bust time now. Time to grow some balls.

 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3978]

We wont get relegated there are too many worse teams below us. We have had a shitty week but we start again Sunday. Alves will not score 3 on his debut in a rough league in crappy weather. When we get our people back from ACN or ANC or whatever the hell they call it we will be a bit stronger and can start putting in better performances. We only have to come above Derby, Wigan, Sunderland, Boro, Fulham, Bolton et al and none of them besides Boro have bought huge quality in the window and Bolton let their best player go. Also let us not forget Alves is from the same place as Dirk Kuyt & Vennegoor of Hesselink who were both amazing strikers there.

[Fop 1]

Relegation might have not been such a bad things to get rid of FFS, Feckless Hall and Co. (although even then).

 

But we now got the only thing that might have really been useful out of such event, a new owner, and as such there's nothing positive to gain from it now.

 

Ship the crap out in the summer and yet another massive re-build after a mid-low table finish is the best possible outcome.

[manc-mag 1]

We are a mid table side with recent Champions League and UEFA cup experience.

 

I'm sick of 3 year and 5 year plans. Momentum is a huge part of success and the right team heading in the right direction can get somewhere much more quickly than a huge lumbering organisation that doesn't know its arse from its elbow. Souness and Allardyce "needed" 5 years. The trouble is there was absolutely no sign of improvement.

 

 

We will have to dig deep financially if we want quick success. The Villas, Portsmouths and Evertons will all spend reasonable money this summer and we have to wait and see whether Ashley wants to do it on the cheap or get the ball rolling quickly.

 

To rebuild our current side could take as much as £100m but it would set the tone for the future and show that we mean business, even if we end up paying over the odds for a few players.

 

 

The other option is to wait and wait and wait and build the club slowly but in the meantime, other clubs are jumping the queue.

 

 

I really think we have a good chairman in Chris Mort and I hope that the new structuring of the club (and the buying of young talent) will start to bear fruit in the future, but if we have any aspiration of not falling further down the league we need to spend big and that is just a fact of football these days.

 

That foreskin must have been so tight it was cutting off the air supply to your brain for a few years cos since you've got shut your posts have been award winners. You state the case maginificently.

[Tooj 17]

We are a mid table side with recent Champions League and UEFA cup experience.

 

I'm sick of 3 year and 5 year plans. Momentum is a huge part of success and the right team heading in the right direction can get somewhere much more quickly than a huge lumbering organisation that doesn't know its arse from its elbow. Souness and Allardyce "needed" 5 years. The trouble is there was absolutely no sign of improvement.

 

 

We will have to dig deep financially if we want quick success. The Villas, Portsmouths and Evertons will all spend reasonable money this summer and we have to wait and see whether Ashley wants to do it on the cheap or get the ball rolling quickly.

 

To rebuild our current side could take as much as £100m but it would set the tone for the future and show that we mean business, even if we end up paying over the odds for a few players.

 

 

The other option is to wait and wait and wait and build the club slowly but in the meantime, other clubs are jumping the queue.

 

 

I really think we have a good chairman in Chris Mort and I hope that the new structuring of the club (and the buying of young talent) will start to bear fruit in the future, but if we have any aspiration of not falling further down the league we need to spend big and that is just a fact of football these days.

 

That foreskin must have been so tight it was cutting off the air supply to your brain for a few years cos since you've got shut your posts have been award winners. You state the case maginificently.