Ferguson questions Keegan's return to Newcastle

[zico martin 89]

The art of playing minds games is to make it appear you are not playing mind games.

 

SAF truly is a Sun Tzu zen master.

 

 

lol

 

and to think some claim we are paranoid eh

[Happy Face 29]

He was asked about Keegan. He said it might work, it might not.

 

With psychological dexterity like that, Hannibal Lector must be shitting himself.

 

[Park Life 71]

He was asked about Keegan. He said it might work, it might not.

 

With psychological dexterity like that, Hannibal Lector must be shitting himself.

 

[luckyluke 2]

All this twaddle about 'mind games' is a load of bollocks, especially the oft-repeated claptrap about how Ferguson causing Keegan to 'lose it' in 1996 and thus winning the title. It's a game of football ffs, there's very little that Ferguson could have said that would have impacted on the pitch. Did Keegan do anything differently because he 'lost it', like playing Tino in goal? All this fannying around whenever there's a big game on is frankly pathetic. Look at Mayweather vs Hatton, they jabbered at each other like a couple of kids for months on end, yet in the end Mayweather won because he's a superior boxer. Mind games indeed.

[manc-mag 1]

Yeah psychology has nothing to do with anything. Players arent affected in the slightest by how they perceive their managers. In fact I think we can dispense with managers altogether.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

All this twaddle about 'mind games' is a load of bollocks, especially the oft-repeated claptrap about how Ferguson causing Keegan to 'lose it' in 1996 and thus winning the title. It's a game of football ffs, there's very little that Ferguson could have said that would have impacted on the pitch. Did Keegan do anything differently because he 'lost it', like playing Tino in goal? All this fannying around whenever there's a big game on is frankly pathetic. Look at Mayweather vs Hatton, they jabbered at each other like a couple of kids for months on end, yet in the end Mayweather won because he's a superior boxer. Mind games indeed.

 

100% agree, the way the media and "tv experts" bang on about mind games in regards to prem managers is embarassing. Most of it is just childish petty insults or whingeing and the rest doesnt have any effect on the other managers or teams because they're the best teams out there and don't get bothered by crap like that.

 

Managers can help their own players, build them up, protect them from the media etc. but the mindgames stuff is laughable at times.

 

As for the start of this thread, i think Fergie is a complete cnut, but he's done/said nothing wrong here at all and i can't see why anyone would get worked up about it.

[manc-mag 1]

All this twaddle about 'mind games' is a load of bollocks, especially the oft-repeated claptrap about how Ferguson causing Keegan to 'lose it' in 1996 and thus winning the title. It's a game of football ffs, there's very little that Ferguson could have said that would have impacted on the pitch. Did Keegan do anything differently because he 'lost it', like playing Tino in goal? All this fannying around whenever there's a big game on is frankly pathetic. Look at Mayweather vs Hatton, they jabbered at each other like a couple of kids for months on end, yet in the end Mayweather won because he's a superior boxer. Mind games indeed.

 

100% agree, the way the media and "tv experts" bang on about mind games in regards to prem managers is embarassing. Most of it is just childish petty insults or whingeing and the rest doesnt have any effect on the other managers or teams because they're the best teams out there and don't get bothered by crap like that.

 

Managers can help their own players, build them up, protect them from the media etc. but the mindgames stuff is laughable at times.

 

As for the start of this thread, i think Fergie is a complete cnut, but he's done/said nothing wrong here at all and i can't see why anyone would get worked up about it.

 

I don't know if you remember, but KK sort of went mental on television. Now as a fan and viewer I for one thought he had lost it at that point, but that's neither here nor there. What is important is what the players take from incidents like that. They absolutely have to believe their manager is in control of a situation otherwise they're going to lose confidence in what he's telling them. Now how much the psyhchology or that outburst had to do with us losing the league is something that nobody will ever know, but I'll tell you this-if I was a player going in to the last few weeks of that season and I was looking to my manager to give me the unswerving belief to eek that last few ounces of energy and bottle out of me, I know which manager I would have had more confidence in. I'm sorry but any other conclusion is just complete nonsense.

Edited February 1, 2008 by manc-mag

[Papa Lazaru 0]

All this twaddle about 'mind games' is a load of bollocks, especially the oft-repeated claptrap about how Ferguson causing Keegan to 'lose it' in 1996 and thus winning the title. It's a game of football ffs, there's very little that Ferguson could have said that would have impacted on the pitch. Did Keegan do anything differently because he 'lost it', like playing Tino in goal? All this fannying around whenever there's a big game on is frankly pathetic. Look at Mayweather vs Hatton, they jabbered at each other like a couple of kids for months on end, yet in the end Mayweather won because he's a superior boxer. Mind games indeed.

 

100% agree, the way the media and "tv experts" bang on about mind games in regards to prem managers is embarassing. Most of it is just childish petty insults or whingeing and the rest doesnt have any effect on the other managers or teams because they're the best teams out there and don't get bothered by crap like that.

 

Managers can help their own players, build them up, protect them from the media etc. but the mindgames stuff is laughable at times.

 

As for the start of this thread, i think Fergie is a complete cnut, but he's done/said nothing wrong here at all and i can't see why anyone would get worked up about it.

 

I don't know if you remember, but KK sort of went mental on television. Now as a fan and viewer I for one thought he had lost it at that point, but that's neither here nor there. What is important is what the players take from incidents like that. They absolutely have to believe their manager is in control of a situation otherwise they're going to lose confidence in what he's telling them. Now how much the psyhchology or that outburst had to do with us losing the league is something that nobody will ever know, but I'll tell you this-if I was a player going in to the last few weeks of that season and I was looking to my manager to give me the unswerving belief to eek that last few ounces of energy and bottle out of me, I know which manager I would have had more confidence in. I'm sorry but any other conclusion is just complete nonsense.

 

I said in my post players take things from their own manager, thats obvious or why have one, so i don't know why you're explaining to me that Keegans outburst affected us, everyone knows it might have. Though some players would probably (like many fans) thought it was funny and/or showed passion and loved it, who knows unless you ask each one of them.

 

I also said the mindgames stuff was bollocks and it is. Fergie was having a moan as usual, in this case because "teams try harder agains manu than Newcastle",the next week probably some percieved refereeing slight or timekeeping he didnt like. He was being an arse, it wasnt an attempt to drive Keegan mad as who would think it would, he was just being a pain in the backside.

Fergie is an arsehole at times but he is intelligent, he knows fine well that saying teams try harder wasn't going to make everyone in the league suddenly break their backs to beat NUFC nor would it stop them playing hard against manu. And as i said there isnt a chance in hell Fergie thought a little aside about teams efforts was going to see Keegan errupt. I imagine Keegan was ready to go at anything because of the pressures of losing the title we should have won and that comment happed to be the thing he went for.

[Fop 1]

This is why Fergy would beat most of you to the title.

[Gemmill 44879]

All this twaddle about 'mind games' is a load of bollocks, especially the oft-repeated claptrap about how Ferguson causing Keegan to 'lose it' in 1996 and thus winning the title. It's a game of football ffs, there's very little that Ferguson could have said that would have impacted on the pitch. Did Keegan do anything differently because he 'lost it', like playing Tino in goal? All this fannying around whenever there's a big game on is frankly pathetic. Look at Mayweather vs Hatton, they jabbered at each other like a couple of kids for months on end, yet in the end Mayweather won because he's a superior boxer. Mind games indeed.

 

100% agree, the way the media and "tv experts" bang on about mind games in regards to prem managers is embarassing. Most of it is just childish petty insults or whingeing and the rest doesnt have any effect on the other managers or teams because they're the best teams out there and don't get bothered by crap like that.

 

Managers can help their own players, build them up, protect them from the media etc. but the mindgames stuff is laughable at times.

 

As for the start of this thread, i think Fergie is a complete cnut, but he's done/said nothing wrong here at all and i can't see why anyone would get worked up about it.

 

I don't know if you remember, but KK sort of went mental on television. Now as a fan and viewer I for one thought he had lost it at that point, but that's neither here nor there. What is important is what the players take from incidents like that. They absolutely have to believe their manager is in control of a situation otherwise they're going to lose confidence in what he's telling them. Now how much the psyhchology or that outburst had to do with us losing the league is something that nobody will ever know, but I'll tell you this- we're still fighting for this etc.

 

When I got to that part of your sentence I even started reading it in his voice.

[Tooj 17]

All this twaddle about 'mind games' is a load of bollocks, especially the oft-repeated claptrap about how Ferguson causing Keegan to 'lose it' in 1996 and thus winning the title. It's a game of football ffs, there's very little that Ferguson could have said that would have impacted on the pitch. Did Keegan do anything differently because he 'lost it', like playing Tino in goal? All this fannying around whenever there's a big game on is frankly pathetic. Look at Mayweather vs Hatton, they jabbered at each other like a couple of kids for months on end, yet in the end Mayweather won because he's a superior boxer. Mind games indeed.

 

100% agree, the way the media and "tv experts" bang on about mind games in regards to prem managers is embarassing. Most of it is just childish petty insults or whingeing and the rest doesnt have any effect on the other managers or teams because they're the best teams out there and don't get bothered by crap like that.

 

Managers can help their own players, build them up, protect them from the media etc. but the mindgames stuff is laughable at times.

 

As for the start of this thread, i think Fergie is a complete cnut, but he's done/said nothing wrong here at all and i can't see why anyone would get worked up about it.

 

I don't know if you remember, but KK sort of went mental on television. Now as a fan and viewer I for one thought he had lost it at that point, but that's neither here nor there. What is important is what the players take from incidents like that. They absolutely have to believe their manager is in control of a situation otherwise they're going to lose confidence in what he's telling them. Now how much the psyhchology or that outburst had to do with us losing the league is something that nobody will ever know, but I'll tell you this- we're still fighting for this etc.

 

When I got to that part of your sentence I even started reading it in his voice.

Ditto.

[acrossthepond 877]

Well evidently I've read too far into this statement.

 

With "bitter" I was referring to how we beat them 5-0 under Keegan and how he blamed all of Newcastle's problems on that one victory about a month back (I could find the article if you like, it was linked here) and also how we took Shearer off them.

 

But in retrospect it does seem silly. He's still an arse though and needs to keep out of other teams' business.