Dennis Wise quits Leeds to sign up for Newcastle revolution

[snakehips 0]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

 

He's been the most impressive up and coming British manager in the lower leagues for a couple of years. Always had his teams up the top end and never been in danger of getting sacked.

 

Morshley doesn't give a shit about his popularity within the game, all they know is he's overachieved at each club he's been at, and they want someone experienced like that lined up should anything unexpected happen, or just to take the reigns in three and a half years.

 

 

You sure of all that???

 

I could only see Wise as KK's replacement, if he (Keegan) was sacked or walked out, for a short term until a full time manager was appointed.

 

Wise got Leeds relegated yes? Did fuck all at Swindon ???

 

Like the 'Morshley' thing btw

 

He took Millwall into the UEFA cup.

 

He wasn't at Swindon long but he had an excellent start, and Swindon desperately tried to hold onto him.

 

He took Leeds down after taking them over mid-season in the shit, and getting a 10 point deduction.

 

The UEFA cup achievement was because of losing finalists in the FA cup - something quite achievable if the run to the final is an easy one.

 

He still took Leeds down.

[Park Life 71]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

 

He's been the most impressive up and coming British manager in the lower leagues for a couple of years. Always had his teams up the top end and never been in danger of getting sacked.

 

Morshley doesn't give a shit about his popularity within the game, all they know is he's overachieved at each club he's been at, and they want someone experienced like that lined up should anything unexpected happen, or just to take the reigns in three and a half years.

 

 

You sure of all that???

 

I could only see Wise as KK's replacement, if he (Keegan) was sacked or walked out, for a short term until a full time manager was appointed.

 

Wise got Leeds relegated yes? Did fuck all at Swindon ???

 

Like the 'Morshley' thing btw

 

He took Millwall into the UEFA cup.

 

He wasn't at Swindon long but he had an excellent start, and Swindon desperately tried to hold onto him.

 

He took Leeds down after taking them over mid-season in the shit, and getting a 10 point deduction.

 

The UEFA cup achievement was because of losing finalists in the FA cup - something quite achievable if the run to the final is an easy one.

 

He still took Leeds down.

 

 

Poyet made the differance at Leeds.

 

Wise is only coming cause he's friends with Ventner or whatever his name is, who drinks with Mo da rock who bought a car off Ashley the brick.

[Tooj 17]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

 

He's been the most impressive up and coming British manager in the lower leagues for a couple of years. Always had his teams up the top end and never been in danger of getting sacked.

 

Morshley doesn't give a shit about his popularity within the game, all they know is he's overachieved at each club he's been at, and they want someone experienced like that lined up should anything unexpected happen, or just to take the reigns in three and a half years.

 

 

You sure of all that???

 

I could only see Wise as KK's replacement, if he (Keegan) was sacked or walked out, for a short term until a full time manager was appointed.

 

Wise got Leeds relegated yes? Did fuck all at Swindon ???

 

Like the 'Morshley' thing btw

 

He took Millwall into the UEFA cup.

 

He wasn't at Swindon long but he had an excellent start, and Swindon desperately tried to hold onto him.

 

He took Leeds down after taking them over mid-season in the shit, and getting a 10 point deduction.

 

The UEFA cup achievement was because of losing finalists in the FA cup - something quite achievable if the run to the final is an easy one.

 

He still took Leeds down.

 

 

Poyet made the differance at Leeds.

 

Wise is only coming cause he's friends with Ventner or whatever his name is, who drinks with Mo da rock who bought a car off Ashley the brick.

How do you know this? Or are we just going on hearsay?

[Happy Face 29]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

I don't know if this would be very wise as this could severely undermine Keegan's position.

 

There's no reason for it to. If it had been left for a few months and Keegan was struggling, it might heap pressure on him to breaking point. As it is, it's a pre-emptive move that ensures stability at the club long term while the current manager has the full backing of both the board AND the fans.

 

I'm sure Keegan must be alright with it, because he's never been known to compromise (apart from accepting Arthur Cox couldn't be on his staff at England, which he's still bitter about and sees as a huge contributor to his international failure).

 

A manager brings in the best young players and trains them to push the first team for places, Morshley is just making the same common sense preparation that Keegan does with his team. Pressure to produce is a good thing to be placed on EVERYONE at the club from the get go, rather than from a point of free fall.

[Guest alex]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

 

He's been the most impressive up and coming British manager in the lower leagues for a couple of years. Always had his teams up the top end and never been in danger of getting sacked.

 

Morshley doesn't give a shit about his popularity within the game, all they know is he's overachieved at each club he's been at, and they want someone experienced like that lined up should anything unexpected happen, or just to take the reigns in three and a half years.

 

 

You sure of all that???

 

I could only see Wise as KK's replacement, if he (Keegan) was sacked or walked out, for a short term until a full time manager was appointed.

 

Wise got Leeds relegated yes? Did fuck all at Swindon ???

 

Like the 'Morshley' thing btw

 

He took Millwall into the UEFA cup.

 

He wasn't at Swindon long but he had an excellent start, and Swindon desperately tried to hold onto him.

 

He took Leeds down after taking them over mid-season in the shit, and getting a 10 point deduction.

 

The UEFA cup achievement was because of losing finalists in the FA cup - something quite achievable if the run to the final is an easy one.

 

He still took Leeds down.

 

 

Poyet made the differance at Leeds.

 

Wise is only coming cause he's friends with Ventner or whatever his name is, who drinks with Mo da rock who bought a car off Ashley the brick.

Because some Spurs fan on N-O said so?

[snakehips 0]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

 

He's been the most impressive up and coming British manager in the lower leagues for a couple of years. Always had his teams up the top end and never been in danger of getting sacked.

 

Morshley doesn't give a shit about his popularity within the game, all they know is he's overachieved at each club he's been at, and they want someone experienced like that lined up should anything unexpected happen, or just to take the reigns in three and a half years.

 

 

You sure of all that???

 

I could only see Wise as KK's replacement, if he (Keegan) was sacked or walked out, for a short term until a full time manager was appointed.

 

Wise got Leeds relegated yes? Did fuck all at Swindon ???

 

Like the 'Morshley' thing btw

 

He took Millwall into the UEFA cup.

 

He wasn't at Swindon long but he had an excellent start, and Swindon desperately tried to hold onto him.

 

He took Leeds down after taking them over mid-season in the shit, and getting a 10 point deduction.

 

The UEFA cup achievement was because of losing finalists in the FA cup - something quite achievable if the run to the final is an easy one.

 

He still took Leeds down.

 

 

Poyet made the differance at Leeds.

 

Wise is only coming cause he's friends with Ventner or whatever his name is, who drinks with Mo da rock who bought a car off Ashley the brick.

 

Ahhh, so that's how they're all tied together It's so clear now

[Happy Face 29]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

 

He's been the most impressive up and coming British manager in the lower leagues for a couple of years. Always had his teams up the top end and never been in danger of getting sacked.

 

Morshley doesn't give a shit about his popularity within the game, all they know is he's overachieved at each club he's been at, and they want someone experienced like that lined up should anything unexpected happen, or just to take the reigns in three and a half years.

 

 

You sure of all that???

 

I could only see Wise as KK's replacement, if he (Keegan) was sacked or walked out, for a short term until a full time manager was appointed.

 

Wise got Leeds relegated yes? Did fuck all at Swindon ???

 

Like the 'Morshley' thing btw

 

He took Millwall into the UEFA cup.

 

He wasn't at Swindon long but he had an excellent start, and Swindon desperately tried to hold onto him.

 

He took Leeds down after taking them over mid-season in the shit, and getting a 10 point deduction.

 

The UEFA cup achievement was because of losing finalists in the FA cup - something quite achievable if the run to the final is an easy one.

 

He still took Leeds down.

 

 

Poyet made the differance at Leeds.

 

Wise is only coming cause he's friends with Ventner or whatever his name is, who drinks with Mo da rock who bought a car off Ashley the brick.

How do you know this? Or are we just going on hearsay?

 

Poyet made the diffence when they went on a fantastic run of results this year, but Wise made the difference in taking them down.

 

How good are Newcastle fans at looking on the gloomy side.

[snakehips 0]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

I don't know if this would be very wise as this could severely undermine Keegan's position.

 

There's no reason for it to. If it had been left for a few months and Keegan was struggling, it might heap pressure on him to breaking point. As it is, it's a pre-emptive move that ensures stability at the club long term while the current manager has the full backing of both the board AND the fans.

 

I'm sure Keegan must be alright with it, because he's never been known to compromise (apart from accepting Arthur Cox couldn't be on his staff at England, which he's still bitter about and sees as a huge contributor to his international failure).

 

A manager brings in the best young players and trains them to push the first team for places, Morshley is just making the same common sense preparation that Keegan does with his team. Pressure to produce is a good thing to be placed on EVERYONE at the club from the get go, rather than from a point of free fall.

 

The fatal flaw in this argument is that never in a million years will Newcastle fans call for Wise to be made manager over Keegan. Nor would we accept it.

[Isegrim 9803]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

I don't know if this would be very wise as this could severely undermine Keegan's position.

 

There's no reason for it to. If it had been left for a few months and Keegan was struggling, it might heap pressure on him to breaking point. As it is, it's a pre-emptive move that ensures stability at the club long term while the current manager has the full backing of both the board AND the fans.

 

I'm sure Keegan must be alright with it, because he's never been known to compromise (apart from accepting Arthur Cox couldn't be on his staff at England, which he's still bitter about and sees as a huge contributor to his international failure).

 

A manager brings in the best young players and trains them to push the first team for places, Morshley is just making the same common sense preparation that Keegan does with his team. Pressure to produce is a good thing to be placed on EVERYONE at the club from the get go, rather than from a point of free fall.

As this is described as a "continental" structure I judge it from a continental perspective. It is foremost working successfully at clubs where the director of football has absolutely no interest in taking over the manager job. Wherever the d.o.f. is seen as a replacement it creates unnecessary pressure for the man in charge. It gives the press an easy way to create sensational stories about fractions etc.

[Park Life 71]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

 

He's been the most impressive up and coming British manager in the lower leagues for a couple of years. Always had his teams up the top end and never been in danger of getting sacked.

 

Morshley doesn't give a shit about his popularity within the game, all they know is he's overachieved at each club he's been at, and they want someone experienced like that lined up should anything unexpected happen, or just to take the reigns in three and a half years.

 

 

You sure of all that???

 

I could only see Wise as KK's replacement, if he (Keegan) was sacked or walked out, for a short term until a full time manager was appointed.

 

Wise got Leeds relegated yes? Did fuck all at Swindon ???

 

Like the 'Morshley' thing btw

 

He took Millwall into the UEFA cup.

 

He wasn't at Swindon long but he had an excellent start, and Swindon desperately tried to hold onto him.

 

He took Leeds down after taking them over mid-season in the shit, and getting a 10 point deduction.

 

The UEFA cup achievement was because of losing finalists in the FA cup - something quite achievable if the run to the final is an easy one.

 

He still took Leeds down.

 

 

Poyet made the differance at Leeds.

 

Wise is only coming cause he's friends with Ventner or whatever his name is, who drinks with Mo da rock who bought a car off Ashley the brick.

How do you know this? Or are we just going on hearsay?

 

Don't get uppity with me fishface.

 

I'll have you know I cruise the surface of magnificence.

 

Look:

 

POYET ie NOT WISE is the brains.

 

The scientists on telly who can see if the wash is whiter told me.

Edited January 29, 2008 by Park Life

[Happy Face 29]

I might be talking bollocks like as apparently Wise isn't interested in management any more.

 

 

But I reckon we could do worse if he was up for it.

[Guest alex]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

 

He's been the most impressive up and coming British manager in the lower leagues for a couple of years. Always had his teams up the top end and never been in danger of getting sacked.

 

Morshley doesn't give a shit about his popularity within the game, all they know is he's overachieved at each club he's been at, and they want someone experienced like that lined up should anything unexpected happen, or just to take the reigns in three and a half years.

 

 

You sure of all that???

 

I could only see Wise as KK's replacement, if he (Keegan) was sacked or walked out, for a short term until a full time manager was appointed.

 

Wise got Leeds relegated yes? Did fuck all at Swindon ???

 

Like the 'Morshley' thing btw

 

He took Millwall into the UEFA cup.

 

He wasn't at Swindon long but he had an excellent start, and Swindon desperately tried to hold onto him.

 

He took Leeds down after taking them over mid-season in the shit, and getting a 10 point deduction.

 

The UEFA cup achievement was because of losing finalists in the FA cup - something quite achievable if the run to the final is an easy one.

 

He still took Leeds down.

 

 

Poyet made the differance at Leeds.

 

Wise is only coming cause he's friends with Ventner or whatever his name is, who drinks with Mo da rock who bought a car off Ashley the brick.

How do you know this? Or are we just going on hearsay?

 

Don't get uppity with me fishface.

 

I'll have you know I cruise the surface of magnificence.

There's your answer

[Bombadil 0]

I think it sounds great on paper, I am however worried about Keegan feeling that he could be undermined. You can bet your mortgage that that's the spin the press will be putting on the whole thing once it has settled down.

[NJS 4389]

A couple of the stories allude to Wise getting sick of team management and wanting something else - that seems okay but I remember Roeder saying the same when he took over the academy.

 

As others have said Wise would have to prove himself in a big way (recommending the next Kaka who we sign for 10p for example) before anyone would accept him as replacement manager.

[Happy Face 29]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that Wise is being groomed as Keegans replacement.

I don't know if this would be very wise as this could severely undermine Keegan's position.

 

There's no reason for it to. If it had been left for a few months and Keegan was struggling, it might heap pressure on him to breaking point. As it is, it's a pre-emptive move that ensures stability at the club long term while the current manager has the full backing of both the board AND the fans.

 

I'm sure Keegan must be alright with it, because he's never been known to compromise (apart from accepting Arthur Cox couldn't be on his staff at England, which he's still bitter about and sees as a huge contributor to his international failure).

 

A manager brings in the best young players and trains them to push the first team for places, Morshley is just making the same common sense preparation that Keegan does with his team. Pressure to produce is a good thing to be placed on EVERYONE at the club from the get go, rather than from a point of free fall.

 

The fatal flaw in this argument is that never in a million years will Newcastle fans call for Wise to be made manager over Keegan. Nor would we accept it.

 

I'd have said the same thing about Harry Redknapp. It didn't stop Morshley making the approach.

[snakehips 0]

btw, 20p says Patrick Barclay has a pop at 'odious' Dennis Wise (as well as the obligatory caricature of Mr Wise alongside) in The Mail on Sunday.

[TheMoog 0]

To be honest I think it actually makes good sense for the club to bring in someone to run the youth team, bring on young starlets and scout for young players with potential. It's a good way of ensuring that Newcastle as a club don't miss out on future players like we did with Shearer or Carrick initially for example. I don't think Director of Football is the right term for Wise's new position, I suspect it's just the press getting it round their necks and just trying to make a story out of their own assumptions and ability to shit-stir.

[Guest alex]

btw, 20p says Patrick Barclay has a pop at 'odious' Dennis Wise (as well as the obligatory caricature of Mr Wise alongside) in The Mail on Sunday.

You're on. Now don't leave the country!

[snakehips 0]

btw, 20p says Patrick Barclay has a pop at 'odious' Dennis Wise (as well as the obligatory caricature of Mr Wise alongside) in The Mail on Sunday.

You're on. Now don't leave the country!

 

That's 20p between you all, of course

[Park Life 71]

Waiting for LM's post. Prob about DOF or summat.

 

 

we won't mention the absolutely stupid post you made a week ago condemning scousers for slating their board for the crime of backing their manager

 

As ironic and dumb as anything I've ever found anywhere

 

What are you on about? Yes I had a go at them for protesting against a board that has financially backed their manager, what's wrong with that? What's the difference between me saying that and you defending Shepherd on the basis that he backed his managers?

 

Tbf those two yanks are well on the way to fucking up the club.

 

They'll be borrowing money soon to prop up the ailing ice hockey side and one guess where that is going to come from.

 

Well, just for those who condemned the old board for the "debts" at the club, who read the article over the weekend that showed the top 4 clubs ie Chelsea, manure, Liverpool and Arsenal, currently have debts of approx 1.5 billion quid.

 

Terrible job they are doing there, eh ?

 

Nowt like a good cliche spun by people without a mind of their own..........

 

The Liv debt restructuring was touch and go by all accounts.

 

£350m debt with payment terms of £20m or so a year.

 

So all we need is for them to miss out on the CL this year and the fun will really begin.

 

There's only £105m been placed onto the club though, the rest has been guaranteed by the owners.

 

Tbh I'm undecided as to whether they're cunts or not, I'm not 100% sure what's normal business practice in these situations but I can't see them having done too much wrong.

 

 

Think again.....

 

 

 

Hicks admission casts doubt on Benitez plans

By David Bond

Last Updated: 1:58am GMT 29/01/2008

 

Have your say Read comments

 

Liverpool's American owners have admitted for the first time that the football club will have to finance around £30 million in annual interest payments on new loans taken out to pay for their takeover of Anfield last February.

 

 

Despite announcing last Friday that only £105m of a new £350m refinancing package was at "club-level", a spokesman for co-chairman Tom Hicks admitted last night that the club would also be responsible for servicing the remaining £245m, which had been placed on the balance sheet of Liverpool's parent company Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd.

 

 

 

All smiles: but will Rafael Benitez be smiling in the summer?

A spokesman from Financial Dynamics, the City PR company which represents Hicks, said: "The holding company debt is supported by the assets it acquired and should there ever be any shortfall in cash flow at the club or anywhere else in Kop in any given year, Kop's ownership, under the terms of the financing package, is prepared to fund whatever is required.

 

"The debt is being handled exactly as it is handled at the vast majority of professional sports teams.".....

 

 

Hopefully these creepy yanks will destroy the club.

[ewerk 30656]

Aye responsible for servicing the debt, but Hicks and Gillett have guaranteed two thirds of the debt so if the club defaults then it's those two who are personally liable for the majority of the debt, not the club.

[Park Life 71]

Aye responsible for servicing the debt, but Hicks and Gillett have guaranteed two thirds of the debt so if the club defaults then it's those two who are personally liable for the majority of the debt, not the club.

 

 

Unless they have a holding company in the U.K. Liv won't be able to get a penny from them if it came to it.

[ewerk 30656]

Aye responsible for servicing the debt, but Hicks and Gillett have guaranteed two thirds of the debt so if the club defaults then it's those two who are personally liable for the majority of the debt, not the club.

 

 

Unless they have a holding company in the U.K. Liv won't be able to get a penny from them if it came to it.

 

Liverpool wouldn't see a penny of what? They're only liable for £105m, anything after that is the responsibility of the yanks and I'm pretty sure the banks would be interested in chasing them up for that.

[Scottish Mag 3]

I think some, especially the media, are reading too much into all this talk of "Director of Football".

 

Ashley (allegedly) from Day 1 spoke of wanting to turn the club into a brand name worldwide, it appears to me that the new trio will be responsible for doing just that. Whilst alot of supporters do not like to think of their club as a business, unfortunately it is. Much like Charltons overseas link ups http://www.charlton-athletic.co.uk/Overseas1.ink , which Vetere was a key player in, surely it can only be a good thing as we are looking to not only attempt to get some of the best talent from overseas whilst building the Newcastle brand, which of course will help us not only financially but may help to attract players from abroad.

 

As long as KK is ok with all of this and there is no interference with his plans or the first team I have no problem with it as it seems like we are actually trying to build a club, that is structured well from top to bottom as well as looking to improve the club (as a business) financially, as regardless of how many millions Ashley has the club has to bring money in to continue to grow.

[I R Toon Fan 0]

The signings of Vetere and Jimenez make sense. They sound like they know what their doing. Scout for Real Madrid. Wouldn't mind a few of the youth players they've had come through at the toon. Sounds like that Jimenez has got quite alot of sway in football bringing Ranos to Spurs and the like. Wise hasn't proved himself as a scout or a master wheeler so his appointment puzzles me somewhat.