Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 There's only Fish being snobby isn't there? Most people seem to think they're a good thing. The OP called it madness too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) There's only Fish being snobby isn't there? Most people seem to think they're a good thing. The OP called it madness too. It's just good pr for McD and for the relevant Govt dept/quango/consultancy/outsourcing/focus group/have a giggle on wild expenses/committee/lord never used me bankcard/ agency. Edited January 29, 2008 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 There's only Fish being snobby isn't there? Most people seem to think they're a good thing. The OP called it madness too. The OP and Rico I think. Fish's views can be dismissed out of hand as he's basically an unreconstructed, Pimms drinking, Plantagenet throwback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 There's only Fish being snobby isn't there? Most people seem to think they're a good thing. The OP called it madness too. The OP and Rico I think. Fish's views can be dismissed out of hand as he's basically an unreconstructed, Pimms drinking, Plantagenet throwback. Yeah but OP's are designed to stir a bit of debate dimwit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RlCO 0 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Vintage Vic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. At no stage have I even pretending to give a shit about this btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. At no stage have I even pretending to give a shit about this btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. At no stage have I even pretending to give a shit about this btw At what stage did you class yourself as middle class like? Worse than the Fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? What next the McDegree, the KFCphd..? Fat friers of the world unite! Good solid apprenticeships that cost real money at real companies that give skill and knowledge training with a day release formal educational component is what is needed. If they wanted to help (which they don't unless it costs peanuts) is what they would reinstate across the land. Edited January 29, 2008 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. At no stage have I even pretending to give a shit about this btw At what stage did you class yourself as middle class like? Worse than the Fish. I was going on the basis Parky hasn't met me, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RlCO 0 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? What was wrong with expanding and uprating the present system of day release for national college qualifications or more full time vocational qualification places? Absolutely no need for Ronald McDonald's involvement, unless the govt finally admits they cant fund higher education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Why is private company investing in a course tailored to that particular company a bad thing btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? What next the McDegree, the KFCphd..? Fat friers of the world unite! Good solid apprenticeships that cost real money at real companies that give skill and knowledge training with a day release formal educational component is what is needed. If they wanted to help (which they don't unless it costs peanuts) is what they would reinstate across the land. I'm not disputing that and have no idea why you think I would. In the here and now though, if industry wants to recognise the graft and discipline that comes with managing eg retail outlets/fast food restaurants then I have absolutely no problem with that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? What next the McDegree, the KFCphd..? Fat friers of the world unite! Good solid apprenticeships that cost real money at real companies that give skill and knowledge training with a day release formal educational component is what is needed. If they wanted to help (which they don't unless it costs peanuts) is what they would reinstate across the land. I'm not disputing that and have no idea why you think I would. In the here and now though, if industry wants to recognise the graft and discipline that comes with managing eg retail outlets/fast food restaurants then I have absolutely no problem with that at all. Yes but 'Meat is Murder' Manc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? What next the McDegree, the KFCphd..? Fat friers of the world unite! Good solid apprenticeships that cost real money at real companies that give skill and knowledge training with a day release formal educational component is what is needed. If they wanted to help (which they don't unless it costs peanuts) is what they would reinstate across the land. I'm not disputing that and have no idea why you think I would. In the here and now though, if industry wants to recognise the graft and discipline that comes with managing eg retail outlets/fast food restaurants then I have absolutely no problem with that at all. Yes but 'Meat is Murder' Manc! Been hunting lately btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15877 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Regardless of the merits of the proposed qualification scheme, I'm not sure what makes McDonalds less of a "real" company than any other concern with a hierarchy of overpaid upper management, pen-pushing middle management and worker-ant pleb labour being ripped off at the bottom of the pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RlCO 0 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Why is private company investing in a course tailored to that particular company a bad thing btw? Because the resulting 'qualification' has a legal academic status and equivalency across all other national educational qualifications, as yet unprecedented in the UK system. Privatisation by the back door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? What next the McDegree, the KFCphd..? Fat friers of the world unite! Good solid apprenticeships that cost real money at real companies that give skill and knowledge training with a day release formal educational component is what is needed. If they wanted to help (which they don't unless it costs peanuts) is what they would reinstate across the land. I'm not disputing that and have no idea why you think I would. In the here and now though, if industry wants to recognise the graft and discipline that comes with managing eg retail outlets/fast food restaurants then I have absolutely no problem with that at all. Yes but 'Meat is Murder' Manc! Been hunting lately btw? Bow and arrow only and I rarely hit anything, we're more likely to hit each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Why is private company investing in a course tailored to that particular company a bad thing btw? Because the resulting 'qualification' has a legal academic status and equivalency across all other national educational qualifications, as yet unprecedented in the UK system. Privatisation by the back door. You've already said all that but why is that a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? What next the McDegree, the KFCphd..? Fat friers of the world unite! Good solid apprenticeships that cost real money at real companies that give skill and knowledge training with a day release formal educational component is what is needed. If they wanted to help (which they don't unless it costs peanuts) is what they would reinstate across the land. I'm not disputing that and have no idea why you think I would. In the here and now though, if industry wants to recognise the graft and discipline that comes with managing eg retail outlets/fast food restaurants then I have absolutely no problem with that at all. Yes but 'Meat is Murder' Manc! Been hunting lately btw? Bow and arrow only and I rarely hit anything, we're more likely to hit each other. Wicked. Not in the Delbert Wilkins sense either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 The snobbery on here doesn't suprise me in the least. I get classroom based training where I work, I get certificates and accreditations that are of no use whatsoever outside of the industry I work in (I.T.). I'm sure accountants, plumbers, actuaries, joiners, make-up artists, chefs, farmers and most other trades have similar. WHAT THE FUCK gives anyone the right to say that working your way up the fast food ladder (which I'd imagine to be a pretty sizeable industry) should have any less of a structure than any other job in the country? Christ all Blighty! There is a difference between industry backed and funded professional qualifications, and nationaly equivalent publicly monitored and assessed qualifications. The McDiploma is an abortion of both, a complete fudge. Mate the world weary middle classes are just pretending they care, let them have their moment. No doubt some don't and some do. Who gives a fuck about (our?) motives though if the result is that people are allowed to improve their lives in ways that were previously not open to them? What next the McDegree, the KFCphd..? Fat friers of the world unite! Good solid apprenticeships that cost real money at real companies that give skill and knowledge training with a day release formal educational component is what is needed. If they wanted to help (which they don't unless it costs peanuts) is what they would reinstate across the land. I'm not disputing that and have no idea why you think I would. In the here and now though, if industry wants to recognise the graft and discipline that comes with managing eg retail outlets/fast food restaurants then I have absolutely no problem with that at all. Yes but 'Meat is Murder' Manc! Been hunting lately btw? Bow and arrow only and I rarely hit anything, we're more likely to hit each other. Wicked. Not in the Delbert Wilkins sense either. It's more long scary walks in the woods and soaked through than actual hunting really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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