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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

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I have real doubts about the direction Allardyce is taking us, and I don't think he's capable of adapting to a different style of football either. But...he's got a 3 year contract and maybe it's best if he's just left to get on with the job.

 

Shearer isn't and won't ever be the answer.

 

Sam say's its going to take 5 years.

 

 

God help us......

 

 

How long to it to MessiahKev to get us within touching? 3 years?

 

Slightly different circumstances like!!!

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

Both comparisons are daft - comparing Fergie to virtually any other manager or Real Madrid to any other club. I know what you're saying though - time doesn't equal success.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

Ferguson didn't do that btw.

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I have real doubts about the direction Allardyce is taking us, and I don't think he's capable of adapting to a different style of football either. But...he's got a 3 year contract and maybe it's best if he's just left to get on with the job.

 

Shearer isn't and won't ever be the answer.

 

Sam say's its going to take 5 years.

 

 

God help us......

 

 

How long to it to MessiahKev to get us within touching? 3 years?

 

Slightly different circumstances like!!!

 

aye, he had further to go and, potentially, less cash available.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

Ferguson didn't do that btw.

 

11th place in his first year. 4th place the year before under Atkinson.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

 

Like Alex says, Fergie is a one off, so are Madrid, so why do people use Fergie as an example but not say "you need instability at a club for success, look at Real Madrid".

 

Both equally shit, over simplified ideas.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

Ferguson didn't do that btw.

 

11th place in his first year. 4th place the year before under Atkinson.

They were a huge club, arguably as big as Liverpool even then. Obscurity suggests they were not very well known. Suggesting that's what they were is laughable. I assume you used the wrong word.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

 

Like Alex says, Fergie is a one off, so are Madrid, so why do people use Fergie as an example but not say "you need instability at a club for success, look at Real Madrid".

 

Both equally shit, over simplified ideas.

 

What is the manager history at the likes of Barca, Milan, Bayern etc etc? RM are not a one-off, there are sound reasons why their strategy works.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

Ferguson didn't do that btw.

 

11th place in his first year. 4th place the year before under Atkinson.

They were a huge club, arguably as big as Liverpool even then. Obscurity suggests they were not very well known. Suggesting that's what they were is laughable. I assume you used the wrong word.

 

NUFC dropped from 5th to mid table too. Hardly a non-comparison is it?

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

 

Like Alex says, Fergie is a one off, so are Madrid, so why do people use Fergie as an example but not say "you need instability at a club for success, look at Real Madrid".

 

Both equally shit, over simplified ideas.

 

What is the manager history at the likes of Barca, Milan, Bayern etc etc? RM are not a one-off, there are sound reasons why their strategy works.

At a guess I'd say the manager turnover is greater at Real Madrid and they're easily the most successful club ever so I'd say they're a one-off.

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Why will we be fighting relegation in 7 games time MisticSol?

 

Just ive had a look at our next 8 games ( said 7 initially i know) and by the looks of it we will be lucky to get 6 points. We have to play the "big four" to the exception of chelsea which amounts to 4 games. I can't see us getting any points from those games. We also have villa away which i think is another defeat. Then we have 3 homes fixtures against teams around us that we should win but i can see us getting 6 points from them 3. So 6 points leaves us on 32 points after 29 games. The teams fighting relagation atm are playing teams around them and will probably gather around 10 points from there next 8 games which could leave us 4-5 points off the relegation zone. We will really miss faye and beye as well. I know its all speculative but i am worried we could really get dragged into it.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

 

Like Alex says, Fergie is a one off, so are Madrid, so why do people use Fergie as an example but not say "you need instability at a club for success, look at Real Madrid".

 

Both equally shit, over simplified ideas.

 

What is the manager history at the likes of Barca, Milan, Bayern etc etc? RM are not a one-off, there are sound reasons why their strategy works.

 

So you're agreeing that most succesful clubs change manager frequently?

 

AC Milan too. Almost a manager a year for 20 years prior to 2000.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

Ferguson didn't do that btw.

 

11th place in his first year. 4th place the year before under Atkinson.

They were a huge club, arguably as big as Liverpool even then. Obscurity suggests they were not very well known. Suggesting that's what they were is laughable. I assume you used the wrong word.

 

NUFC dropped from 5th to mid table too. Hardly a non-comparison is it?

I suggest you re-read my previous post.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

 

Like Alex says, Fergie is a one off, so are Madrid, so why do people use Fergie as an example but not say "you need instability at a club for success, look at Real Madrid".

 

Both equally shit, over simplified ideas.

 

What is the manager history at the likes of Barca, Milan, Bayern etc etc? RM are not a one-off, there are sound reasons why their strategy works.

 

So your agreeing that most succesful clubs change manager frequently?

 

AC Milan too. Almost a manager a year for 20 years prior to 2000.

 

I'm saying RM are not a one off, and that there are reasons why changing manager doesn't do them any harm, as opposed to being the reason for their success.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

 

Like Alex says, Fergie is a one off, so are Madrid, so why do people use Fergie as an example but not say "you need instability at a club for success, look at Real Madrid".

 

Both equally shit, over simplified ideas.

 

What is the manager history at the likes of Barca, Milan, Bayern etc etc? RM are not a one-off, there are sound reasons why their strategy works.

 

So your agreeing that most succesful clubs change manager frequently?

 

AC Milan too. Almost a manager a year for 20 years prior to 2000.

 

I'm saying RM are not a one off, and that there are reasons why changing manager doesn't do them any harm, as opposed to being the reason for their success.

 

...but Ferguson is a one off and you're saying Man U should be used for a comparison with NUFC?

 

Are you saying it makes sense to follow a rarely replicated design for success rather than a frequently replicated one.

 

:D

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

 

Like Alex says, Fergie is a one off, so are Madrid, so why do people use Fergie as an example but not say "you need instability at a club for success, look at Real Madrid".

 

Both equally shit, over simplified ideas.

 

What is the manager history at the likes of Barca, Milan, Bayern etc etc? RM are not a one-off, there are sound reasons why their strategy works.

 

So your agreeing that most succesful clubs change manager frequently?

 

AC Milan too. Almost a manager a year for 20 years prior to 2000.

 

I'm saying RM are not a one off, and that there are reasons why changing manager doesn't do them any harm, as opposed to being the reason for their success.

 

...but Ferguson is a one off and you're saying Man U should be used for a comparison with NUFC?

 

Are you saying it makes sense to follow a rarely replicated design for success rather than a frequently replicated one.

 

:D

 

I am saying frequently changing managers is not the reason RM etc are successfull. The negative effect of changing a manager for the likes of RM is mitigated by other factors, which NUFC do not possess, so on balance they can afford to change a manager without pause if they think they are doing shit.

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Managers is one thing but our closest rivals have started outspending us over the last 2/3 years. This is primarily what has 'closed the gap'.

 

Man City, Villa, Spurs, Pompey, West Ham.

 

Without getting quality in the door all combinations of manager/chairman/back room gizmos are doomed.

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is there any evidence that keeping the manager will be a sucess. Is there any evidence he will keep us in the league. Its all a matter of opinion hence the reason for the site. Im just saying in 7 games time i think you might be calling for his head just like many others.

 

there is evidence that good managers still need time. Benitez, Ferguson were both slow to start. And while they're better managers than Sam, at bigger clubs with bigger players, it's evidence that chopping and changing managers isn't the way to go.

 

Who know what the transfer window will bring (other than Tozer )

 

I want Sam to stay, but I really am getting sick of the "good managers need time" line and Ferguson comparisons being trotted out.

 

In about 20 years Real Madrid haven't had a manager that's lasted more than 2 seasons. They get sacked for not winning enough trophies, rather than enough games.

 

Hackneyed cliche.

 

I can't believe RM get used as a template for chaning managers = success either. There are quite obvious reasons why changing managers doesn't do them any harm, which have nothing to do with NUFC. Raising Man U from obscurity to champions does though.

 

Like Alex says, Fergie is a one off, so are Madrid, so why do people use Fergie as an example but not say "you need instability at a club for success, look at Real Madrid".

 

Both equally shit, over simplified ideas.

 

What is the manager history at the likes of Barca, Milan, Bayern etc etc? RM are not a one-off, there are sound reasons why their strategy works.

 

So your agreeing that most succesful clubs change manager frequently?

 

AC Milan too. Almost a manager a year for 20 years prior to 2000.

 

I'm saying RM are not a one off, and that there are reasons why changing manager doesn't do them any harm, as opposed to being the reason for their success.

 

...but Ferguson is a one off and you're saying Man U should be used for a comparison with NUFC?

 

Are you saying it makes sense to follow a rarely replicated design for success rather than a frequently replicated one.

 

:D

 

I am saying frequently changing managers is not the reason RM etc are successfull. The negative effect of changing a manager for the likes of RM is mitigated by other factors, which NUFC do not possess, so on balance they can afford to change a manager without pause if they think they are doing shit.

 

Yeah, I got that.

 

I didn't get how sticking with Allardyce would be like sticking with Fergie, seeing as how the reason for it's success down there is that Fergie is not shit, which makes it a non-comparison with Allardyce.

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And out of interest which PL clubs would you mark out as having continued success from frequently changing managers?

 

Chelsea have probably had as many premier league managers as us. But then they're no comparison either what with their billionaire owner.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And out of interest which PL clubs would you mark out as having continued success from frequently changing managers?

 

Chelsea have probably had as many premier league managers as us. But then they're no comparison either what with their billionaire owner.

 

Yes, let's wait for Mourinho and then buy every player available. Success here we come!

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