Patience is needed

[wykikitoon 21254]

Right, the black and white specs have been taken off and for the past couple of days I have been thinking about the situation at my beloved NUFC. Here are my thoughts (more ramblings)

 

We, the famous Toon Army, who are famous for going to all corners of the globe to watch the team. The famous Toon Army, who goto grounds like Wigan, Derby, Leeds, Man Ure and make more noise than the home team, even when losing. The famous Toon Army who have now turned into a group who seem to want us to lose to get rid of our managers who don’t play all out attacking football to get beat 4-3, but hey what a match eh? I am guilty of it and I am sure a number on here are. I did it with Sourness and Roeder and I have done it with BSA. Well, it’s time for a change!

 

Wykiki has gone mad I hear you say!

 

I have been thinking a lot. Do I want a NUFC that are successful like Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Co, I.E have a long term plan and thus having long term success? OR Would you like the odd cup win here, a second / third place there, a little disappointing trip to Wembley every now and then and to be laughed at when we buckle again? Well I know what I would like, do you?

 

Now, I am not stupid and I know it will take something to break into the “Top Four”, but Man City and Everton are doing it? Aresnal broke Man Utd dominance didn’t they? It took some time but they did it. Did they do it by a fluke or was it down to a long term plan and patience?

 

Now, Everton will be my example. They have stuck with Moyes, who could have easily been sacked a few seasons ago. But with a wise chairman, who with patience has reaped his rewards and now they are playing some good football. If they just got the consistency they would really be a threat to the others?

 

We haven’t played good football since the departure of SBR IMO. What SBR and KK did at NUFC is over shadowing the new managers that have come in. They have been made the yard stick. Is this right? Well IMO yes and no. Yes because under KK we won promotion to the top flight of English football and immediately established ourselves as a very good team. Yes because we played “proper” attractive football under both mangers. Yes because we reached finals under both managers and played well in European nights. BUT No as we didn’t win (bar div 1) a sausage under the managers. We cannot forget what KK and SBR did for us, I loved the 5-0 thrashing of the Toon, I loved the build up to the FA Cup finals, I cried when we beat Feyanoord to go through into the Champions League. I can’t really say I loved the 4-3 defeat, yes it was a great match for the neutral, but can you honestly say you enjoyed getting beat?

 

Now to my point. We have to (dons on flak suit) stick with BSA for at least this season; I would say middle of next season at least. Ashley and Mort have to say this to BSA and mean it. Don’t listen to the media, but listen to their heads. Ashley is a wise business man and doesn’t seem the arse which we had with FFS. By Ashley and Mort telling him this will take a load of pressure off him and he can work with the team and try and change the results round. He can get EVERYONE pulling in the same direction, something that I don’t think is happening now.

 

Success doesn’t happen overnight, we all know that, but our patience seems to have changed recently. Is it because BSA, Sourness and GR aren’t a KK or SBR? IE Connected passionately to the club? I know GR was captain blah blah, but he wasn’t a KK or SBR was he? I know SBR wasn’t a KK (ie player and former captain and general footballing legend) but he is a passionate Geordie and a manager legend!

 

BSA Needs to be given time. His methods of diets, training and tactics are not going to sink in with players over night. A Lot of these players have had several different training methods over a very short period, so, like us they must be mixed up and not knowing what to do. They like us and NUFC need stability. They need to be able to get into a routine and be able to be comfortable with it and then they can start to apply their methods etc.

 

Yes BSA tactics and positioning of players like N’Zogbia have puzzled me, but he has only been in the job five minutes. Rome wasn’t built in a day. When he has the resources at hand and gets the mentality of the players etc right I am now sure it will all click into place. He didn’t do so well at Bolton by a fluke did he?

 

Let’s stand up and be tall and stop this negative thinking. Let’s stand up and be tall and get behind the players and BSA.

 

Now, who’s with me?

 

[Happy Face 29]

Suprisingly common sense turn around.

 

Generally spot on.

 

Though I reckon Everton will struggle next year. yoyo team.

[sammynb 3625]

Right, the black and white specs have been taken off and for the past couple of days I have been thinking about the situation at my beloved NUFC. Here are my thoughts (more ramblings)

 

We, the famous Toon Army, who are famous for going to all corners of the globe to watch the team. The famous Toon Army, who goto grounds like Wigan, Derby, Leeds, Man Ure and make more noise than the home team, even when losing. The famous Toon Army who have now turned into a group who seem to want us to lose to get rid of our managers who don’t play all out attacking football to get beat 4-3, but hey what a match eh? I am guilty of it and I am sure a number on here are. I did it with Sourness and Roeder and I have done it with BSA. Well, it’s time for a change!

 

Wykiki has gone mad I hear you say!

 

I have been thinking a lot. Do I want a NUFC that are successful like Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Co, I.E have a long term plan and thus having long term success? OR Would you like the odd cup win here, a second / third place there, a little disappointing trip to Wembley every now and then and to be laughed at when we buckle again? Well I know what I would like, do you?

 

Now, I am not stupid and I know it will take something to break into the “Top Four”, but Man City and Everton are doing it? Aresnal broke Man Utd dominance didn’t they? It took some time but they did it. Did they do it by a fluke or was it down to a long term plan and patience?

 

Now, Everton will be my example. They have stuck with Moyes, who could have easily been sacked a few seasons ago. But with a wise chairman, who with patience has reaped his rewards and now they are playing some good football. If they just got the consistency they would really be a threat to the others?

 

We haven’t played good football since the departure of SBR IMO. What SBR and KK did at NUFC is over shadowing the new managers that have come in. They have been made the yard stick. Is this right? Well IMO yes and no. Yes because under KK we won promotion to the top flight of English football and immediately established ourselves as a very good team. Yes because we played “proper” attractive football under both mangers. Yes because we reached finals under both managers and played well in European nights. BUT No as we didn’t win (bar div 1) a sausage under the managers. We cannot forget what KK and SBR did for us, I loved the 5-0 thrashing of the Toon, I loved the build up to the FA Cup finals, I cried when we beat Feyanoord to go through into the Champions League. I can’t really say I loved the 4-3 defeat, yes it was a great match for the neutral, but can you honestly say you enjoyed getting beat?

 

Now to my point. We have to (dons on flak suit) stick with BSA for at least this season; I would say middle of next season at least. Ashley and Mort have to say this to BSA and mean it. Don’t listen to the media, but listen to their heads. Ashley is a wise business man and doesn’t seem the arse which we had with FFS. By Ashley and Mort telling him this will take a load of pressure off him and he can work with the team and try and change the results round. He can get EVERYONE pulling in the same direction, something that I don’t think is happening now.

 

Success doesn’t happen overnight, we all know that, but our patience seems to have changed recently. Is it because BSA, Sourness and GR aren’t a KK or SBR? IE Connected passionately to the club? I know GR was captain blah blah, but he wasn’t a KK or SBR was he? I know SBR wasn’t a KK (ie player and former captain and general footballing legend) but he is a passionate Geordie and a manager legend!

 

BSA Needs to be given time. His methods of diets, training and tactics are not going to sink in with players over night. A Lot of these players have had several different training methods over a very short period, so, like us they must be mixed up and not knowing what to do. They like us and NUFC need stability. They need to be able to get into a routine and be able to be comfortable with it and then they can start to apply their methods etc.

 

Yes BSA tactics and positioning of players like N’Zogbia have puzzled me, but he has only been in the job five minutes. Rome wasn’t built in a day. When he has the resources at hand and gets the mentality of the players etc right I am now sure it will all click into place. He didn’t do so well at Bolton by a fluke did he?

 

Let’s stand up and be tall and stop this negative thinking. Let’s stand up and be tall and get behind the players and BSA.

 

Now, who’s with me?

 

 

NO! He is not the answer.

Look beyond your blind faith and look at the man, look at the manager who isn't good enough to do this job.

Remember the mistake of Souness.

Remember the mistake of Roeder.

Realise that time does not always heal all wounds.

Look at the managers available at this moment who could do the job, who deserve our faith, who deserve our patience.

If he was half the manager he claims to be he would realise he isn't up to the task and would do the only honourable thing.

But he's an arrogant twat who will stay until he is shown the door and is paid out!

[2bias 3]

I agree with that. It doesnt and wont happen over night. One thing that pisses me off is seeing images of all these fans leaving games early cause the result isn't going our way, thats not showing support. Big part of the problem i think is go back 6/7 years or so and we were in the top 3/4 and now i think people forget that were not that same team where qualification for europe was not a real problem and good cup run was always something to look forward to. I think Big Sam can deliver in the long run i just hope the board wont go down the old road which the formers did and just sack the manager.

[Happy Face 29]

NO! He is not the answer.

Look beyond your blind faith and look at the man, look at the manager who isn't good enough to do this job.

Remember the mistake of Souness.

Remember the mistake of Roeder.

Realise that time does not always heal all wounds.

Look at the managers available at this moment who could do the job, who deserve our faith, who deserve our patience.

If he was half the manager he claims to be he would realise he isn't up to the task and would do the only honourable thing.

But he's an arrogant twat who will stay until he is shown the door and is paid out!

 

 

He IS the answer if we want to be Intertoto battlers for a few years consolidation. A springboard to better things.

[Dr Gloom 22402]

i think he should be given more time. the number of managers we get through is a joke. but he needs to pull his finger out sharpish. if we continue this run of defeats for a month or two, the chairman will have to act. the only time i condone a sacking after a short tenure is if we're in a relegation battle.

[Park Life 71]

Should be moved upstairs into a DOF type role. That we he can continue with building his space lab and we can get another victim manager.

[Guest alex]

Should be moved upstairs into a DOF type role. That we he can continue with building his space lab and we can get another victim manager.

With Shearer working under him?

[Park Life 71]

Should be moved upstairs into a DOF type role. That we he can continue with building his space lab and we can get another victim manager.

With Shearer working under him?

 

 

[LeazesMag 0]

Right, the black and white specs have been taken off and for the past couple of days I have been thinking about the situation at my beloved NUFC. Here are my thoughts (more ramblings)

 

We, the famous Toon Army, who are famous for going to all corners of the globe to watch the team. The famous Toon Army, who goto grounds like Wigan, Derby, Leeds, Man Ure and make more noise than the home team, even when losing. The famous Toon Army who have now turned into a group who seem to want us to lose to get rid of our managers who don’t play all out attacking football to get beat 4-3, but hey what a match eh? I am guilty of it and I am sure a number on here are. I did it with Sourness and Roeder and I have done it with BSA. Well, it’s time for a change!

 

Wykiki has gone mad I hear you say!

 

I have been thinking a lot. Do I want a NUFC that are successful like Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Co, I.E have a long term plan and thus having long term success? OR Would you like the odd cup win here, a second / third place there, a little disappointing trip to Wembley every now and then and to be laughed at when we buckle again? Well I know what I would like, do you?

 

Now, I am not stupid and I know it will take something to break into the “Top Four”, but Man City and Everton are doing it? Aresnal broke Man Utd dominance didn’t they? It took some time but they did it. Did they do it by a fluke or was it down to a long term plan and patience?

 

Now, Everton will be my example. They have stuck with Moyes, who could have easily been sacked a few seasons ago. But with a wise chairman, who with patience has reaped his rewards and now they are playing some good football. If they just got the consistency they would really be a threat to the others?

 

We haven’t played good football since the departure of SBR IMO. What SBR and KK did at NUFC is over shadowing the new managers that have come in. They have been made the yard stick. Is this right? Well IMO yes and no. Yes because under KK we won promotion to the top flight of English football and immediately established ourselves as a very good team. Yes because we played “proper” attractive football under both mangers. Yes because we reached finals under both managers and played well in European nights. BUT No as we didn’t win (bar div 1) a sausage under the managers. We cannot forget what KK and SBR did for us, I loved the 5-0 thrashing of the Toon, I loved the build up to the FA Cup finals, I cried when we beat Feyanoord to go through into the Champions League. I can’t really say I loved the 4-3 defeat, yes it was a great match for the neutral, but can you honestly say you enjoyed getting beat?

 

Now to my point. We have to (dons on flak suit) stick with BSA for at least this season; I would say middle of next season at least. Ashley and Mort have to say this to BSA and mean it. Don’t listen to the media, but listen to their heads. Ashley is a wise business man and doesn’t seem the arse which we had with FFS. By Ashley and Mort telling him this will take a load of pressure off him and he can work with the team and try and change the results round. He can get EVERYONE pulling in the same direction, something that I don’t think is happening now.

 

Success doesn’t happen overnight, we all know that, but our patience seems to have changed recently. Is it because BSA, Sourness and GR aren’t a KK or SBR? IE Connected passionately to the club? I know GR was captain blah blah, but he wasn’t a KK or SBR was he? I know SBR wasn’t a KK (ie player and former captain and general footballing legend) but he is a passionate Geordie and a manager legend!

 

BSA Needs to be given time. His methods of diets, training and tactics are not going to sink in with players over night. A Lot of these players have had several different training methods over a very short period, so, like us they must be mixed up and not knowing what to do. They like us and NUFC need stability. They need to be able to get into a routine and be able to be comfortable with it and then they can start to apply their methods etc.

 

Yes BSA tactics and positioning of players like N’Zogbia have puzzled me, but he has only been in the job five minutes. Rome wasn’t built in a day. When he has the resources at hand and gets the mentality of the players etc right I am now sure it will all click into place. He didn’t do so well at Bolton by a fluke did he?

 

Let’s stand up and be tall and stop this negative thinking. Let’s stand up and be tall and get behind the players and BSA.

 

Now, who’s with me?

 

 

I'm with you - just.

 

I'm bothered by the current situation - in fact more than that - the sensible feeling is we can't afford to keep changing managers, I'm not at all happy that he still seems to think we need more defenders either, but its just a gut feeling we have to stick with it

[LeazesMag 0]

i think he should be given more time. the number of managers we get through is a joke. but he needs to pull his finger out sharpish. if we continue this run of defeats for a month or two, the chairman will have to act. the only time i condone a sacking after a short tenure is if we're in a relegation battle.

 

I agree with this

[Tooj 17]

I think we'd have done a lot better this season if we'd have actually employed the same tactics as we had against Man City the other night.

[wykikitoon 21254]

I totally agree with what youre saying Leazes, I am also not for this kick and pray method that the players are playing at the moment. Especially when we have players like Martins and Viduka. I hope this is down to such a change and with some patience it will change.

 

Like The Fish pointed out a couple of weeks ago, we are not where Derby or The Mackems are so we have some tolereance. We are not sittiong on the high perch as Man Ure and Arsenal though but thats our aim, but its not going to happen this or next season!

[Park Life 71]

I think we'd have done a lot better this season if we'd have actually employed the same tactics as we had against Man City the other night.

 

True.

 

Duff coming back has helped and Faye in midfield should be locked in now.

[Guest alex]

I think we'd have done a lot better this season if we'd have actually employed the same tactics as we had against Man City the other night.

Dunno if I wrote that on here on not but I said that's what is annoying. Were that the case we'd be a good half a dozen or more points better off.

[Park Life 71]

I think we'd have done a lot better this season if we'd have actually employed the same tactics as we had against Man City the other night.

Dunno if I wrote that on here on not but I said that's what is annoying. Were that the case we'd be a good half a dozen or more points better off.

 

SA has started giving in to player/supporter power rattled as he's getting the last few weeks.

[Ken 119]

Right, the black and white specs have been taken off and for the past couple of days I have been thinking about the situation at my beloved NUFC. Here are my thoughts (more ramblings)

 

We, the famous Toon Army, who are famous for going to all corners of the globe to watch the team. The famous Toon Army, who goto grounds like Wigan, Derby, Leeds, Man Ure and make more noise than the home team, even when losing. The famous Toon Army who have now turned into a group who seem to want us to lose to get rid of our managers who don’t play all out attacking football to get beat 4-3, but hey what a match eh? I am guilty of it and I am sure a number on here are. I did it with Sourness and Roeder and I have done it with BSA. Well, it’s time for a change!

 

Wykiki has gone mad I hear you say!

 

I have been thinking a lot. Do I want a NUFC that are successful like Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Co, I.E have a long term plan and thus having long term success? OR Would you like the odd cup win here, a second / third place there, a little disappointing trip to Wembley every now and then and to be laughed at when we buckle again? Well I know what I would like, do you?

 

Now, I am not stupid and I know it will take something to break into the “Top Four”, but Man City and Everton are doing it? Aresnal broke Man Utd dominance didn’t they? It took some time but they did it. Did they do it by a fluke or was it down to a long term plan and patience?

 

Now, Everton will be my example. They have stuck with Moyes, who could have easily been sacked a few seasons ago. But with a wise chairman, who with patience has reaped his rewards and now they are playing some good football. If they just got the consistency they would really be a threat to the others?

 

We haven’t played good football since the departure of SBR IMO. What SBR and KK did at NUFC is over shadowing the new managers that have come in. They have been made the yard stick. Is this right? Well IMO yes and no. Yes because under KK we won promotion to the top flight of English football and immediately established ourselves as a very good team. Yes because we played “proper” attractive football under both mangers. Yes because we reached finals under both managers and played well in European nights. BUT No as we didn’t win (bar div 1) a sausage under the managers. We cannot forget what KK and SBR did for us, I loved the 5-0 thrashing of the Toon, I loved the build up to the FA Cup finals, I cried when we beat Feyanoord to go through into the Champions League. I can’t really say I loved the 4-3 defeat, yes it was a great match for the neutral, but can you honestly say you enjoyed getting beat?

 

Now to my point. We have to (dons on flak suit) stick with BSA for at least this season; I would say middle of next season at least. Ashley and Mort have to say this to BSA and mean it. Don’t listen to the media, but listen to their heads. Ashley is a wise business man and doesn’t seem the arse which we had with FFS. By Ashley and Mort telling him this will take a load of pressure off him and he can work with the team and try and change the results round. He can get EVERYONE pulling in the same direction, something that I don’t think is happening now.

 

Success doesn’t happen overnight, we all know that, but our patience seems to have changed recently. Is it because BSA, Sourness and GR aren’t a KK or SBR? IE Connected passionately to the club? I know GR was captain blah blah, but he wasn’t a KK or SBR was he? I know SBR wasn’t a KK (ie player and former captain and general footballing legend) but he is a passionate Geordie and a manager legend!

 

BSA Needs to be given time. His methods of diets, training and tactics are not going to sink in with players over night. A Lot of these players have had several different training methods over a very short period, so, like us they must be mixed up and not knowing what to do. They like us and NUFC need stability. They need to be able to get into a routine and be able to be comfortable with it and then they can start to apply their methods etc.

 

Yes BSA tactics and positioning of players like N’Zogbia have puzzled me, but he has only been in the job five minutes. Rome wasn’t built in a day. When he has the resources at hand and gets the mentality of the players etc right I am now sure it will all click into place. He didn’t do so well at Bolton by a fluke did he?

 

Let’s stand up and be tall and stop this negative thinking. Let’s stand up and be tall and get behind the players and BSA.

 

Now, who’s with me?

 

Well said comrade!

 

However like others have said, if we're too close to the relegation zone than he needs to go. But I suppose that's common sense anyway...

[wykikitoon 21254]

I think we'd have done a lot better this season if we'd have actually employed the same tactics as we had against Man City the other night.

Dunno if I wrote that on here on not but I said that's what is annoying. Were that the case we'd be a good half a dozen or more points better off.

 

IE Getting robbed at Chelsea too?

 

It does help having Owen and Duff back. Lets hope the penny is dropping for some of the players.

[ewerk 31396]

Should be moved upstairs into a DOF type role. That we he can continue with building his space lab and we can get another victim manager.

 

Tbh I think this would be the perfect role, I know it's difficult to assess the effect he's having behind the scenes but he appears to be making sensible changes to bring us into the 21st century, it's his tactics, coaching and team selection that most people have a problem with.

 

Unfortunately there's no way in hell he'd agree to move upstairs and let someone else take over imo.

[Guest alex]

I'm sure Parky did a negative thread about the 'shadowy influence' of DoFs on N-O. Changes his mind more than we change managers tbh.

[ewerk 31396]

IMO they only work if both roles are clearly defined and both parties are comfortable with the situation.

 

However the DoF role has hardly had a lot of success in English football.

[nufc4ever 0]

I'm sure Parky did a negative thread about the 'shadowy influence' of DoFs on N-O. Changes his mind more than we change managers tbh.

 

Thank god someone else noticed.

[RlCO 0]

I don't think he notices himself, he's away with the fairies half the time.

[Guest alex]

I don't think he notices himself, he's away with the fairies half the time.

I'm not convinced you aren't Vic by any means

[Park Life 71]

I'm sure Parky did a negative thread about the 'shadowy influence' of DoFs on N-O. Changes his mind more than we change managers tbh.

 

 

That was more a spuds pisstake.