Guest alex Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 we all know milner isn't the greatest, but there are a fair few ahead of him that deserve more stick than he does. Not last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 we all know milner isn't the greatest, but there are a fair few ahead of him that deserve more stick than he does. Not last night he had a stinker last night but over the course of this season, he's contributed far more than smith, barton, geremi et al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 we all know milner isn't the greatest, but there are a fair few ahead of him that deserve more stick than he does. Not last night he had a stinker last night but over the course of this season, he's contributed far more than smith, barton, geremi et al More rather than 'far more' imo. Not just me being a pedant, he hasn't done much this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6585 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) I think there is a fine line between a player being good or bad. Helps when you play in a good team and to the personnels strengths though. Edited January 3, 2008 by Holden McGroin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInspiration 1 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I like Milner, but he really lacks quality. I don't see why Martins is getting plenty of stick when he's done definitely more than Milner has in the past year, overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted January 3, 2008 Author Share Posted January 3, 2008 we all know milner isn't the greatest, but there are a fair few ahead of him that deserve more stick than he does. We do have plenty of other useless twats who probably are more deserving of stick. I just wanted to point out how bad it is that the player we have who comes in for the least stick is generally average at best. He has no pace, no vision (as we saw last night when he beat his man and acres in front for him to run into only for him to keep his head down and try and beat the man again and lose the ball) and no quality whatsoever in his distribution. He appears to be a model pro and should be commended for his attitiude but if anyone thinks that makes him a good player they deserve to watch the shite that's being offered up at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoog 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I reckon anyone could look bad in our team as things stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted January 3, 2008 Author Share Posted January 3, 2008 They could do but Milner has never looked like he had any quality in his deliver in four years. Mind you it has improved, his first season he just kicked the ball into the crowd now he hits the first defender! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6585 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 They could do but Milner has never looked like he had any quality in his deliver in four years.Mind you it has improved, his first season he just kicked the ball into the crowd now he hits the first defender! Its certainly something that can be worked on in training though. I have no reason to believe he cant improve his game as he gets older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 They could do but Milner has never looked like he had any quality in his deliver in four years.Mind you it has improved, his first season he just kicked the ball into the crowd now he hits the first defender! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjHXkOEx_Ao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassplayerjj 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) Milner is more effective on the left but I agree that he needs to add a final delivery to his game otherwise he will just be run-of-the-mill. Our team is so one-paced when Milner, Smith, Butt, Viduka, Barton, Geremi, Emre, Viduka are around. We need that extra bit of quality and pace out wide like Zog offers us from left back! I hope this problem is addressed in this transfer window because it is the difference between us and teams like Aston Villa, Pompey, Man City and Spurs at the moment (we wish this was the only problem!). We need pace and creativity and this doesn't come cheap. If this problem isn't addressed by Sam or the next man we can only hope for mid-table football. Edited January 3, 2008 by bassplayerjj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6585 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 They could do but Milner has never looked like he had any quality in his deliver in four years.Mind you it has improved, his first season he just kicked the ball into the crowd now he hits the first defender! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjHXkOEx_Ao that was actually a lovely team goal. Spread the ball well. One-twos. A bit of wing wizardy. BOSH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Never really rated Milner but his work rate and effort at the minute are separating him from the rest of a very poor team, hence making him look better than he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I know there are probably stronger contenders within our ranks for stick but somehow Milner seems to be spared from any criticism on the basis that his attitude was good when he had his transfer pulled at the last minute last season and it's getting on my nerves now. His attitude is good every single second of every single game is probably more of a reason he's spared criticism. He's got more skill and technique than someone who is far more of a fan favourite, Martins. You criticise his delivery, which is fair enough at times, but if he nailed it, then we'd have an extremely good winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I like Milner, but he really lacks quality. I don't see why Martins is getting plenty of stick when he's done definitely more than Milner has in the past year, overall. Probably because Milner has a first touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInspiration 1 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I like Milner, but he really lacks quality. I don't see why Martins is getting plenty of stick when he's done definitely more than Milner has in the past year, overall. Probably because Milner has a first touch. I know you can say all sorts of critical things about Martins, but the point stands - he's done far more than most of the other players, so why give him more stick? Doesn't make sense. In any case, we've seen some great first touches from him also, such as goal against City in the away game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7029 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I was at work for the man city game listening to it on century and the commentator (mick martin i think) was absolutely murdering martins! It was as if he played for sunderland the bashing he was getting, but he just couldnt believe after years of playing football at the top level he still has the footballing brain of a 12 year old. 9 times out of 10 if theres a right option to take and a wrong one, hel take the wrong one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big TRon 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 What would Mick Martin know about playing at the top level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7029 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 The same as Jose Mourniho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big TRon 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Mick isn't telling us anything we don't already know is he? he's the Irish Alan Oliver rather than Mourinho if truth be told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3355 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 (edited) Milner is more effective on the left but I agree that he needs to add a final delivery to his game otherwise he will just be run-of-the-mill. Our team is so one-paced when Milner, Smith, Butt, Viduka, Barton, Geremi, Emre, Viduka are around. We need that extra bit of quality and pace out wide like Zog offers us from left back! I hope this problem is addressed in this transfer window because it is the difference between us and teams like Aston Villa, Pompey, Man City and Spurs at the moment (we wish this was the only problem!). We need pace and creativity and this doesn't come cheap. If this problem isn't addressed by Sam or the next man we can only hope for mid-table football. Are you trying to say Viduka is twice as slow as everyone else? If the team stopped kicking the ball at his head or 15 yard infront of him Viduka wouldn't be wasted, he's lazy but he's got some skill. Look at that back heal dink he played the other night to Duff, if he of pulled the trigger it would of been a great attempt on goal, instead he wait and had it taken off his toe. What was terrible about Milner's peformance against citeh was he played the full ninety minutes on the right and had probably his worse game this season. Why the fuck, regardless of what side he plays on, does he feel the need to turn inside of his defender? It is the easiest job for a defender to turn inside, the ball is passing the front of them, on their natural foot and tackle!!! Whereas, go round them and they have to use their weaker foot and also maintain balance and then accelerate to catch the player going past them. It's fucking school boys level football. Edited January 4, 2008 by sammynb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassplayerjj 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Milner is more effective on the left but I agree that he needs to add a final delivery to his game otherwise he will just be run-of-the-mill. Our team is so one-paced when Milner, Smith, Butt, Viduka, Barton, Geremi, Emre, Viduka are around. We need that extra bit of quality and pace out wide like Zog offers us from left back! I hope this problem is addressed in this transfer window because it is the difference between us and teams like Aston Villa, Pompey, Man City and Spurs at the moment (we wish this was the only problem!). We need pace and creativity and this doesn't come cheap. If this problem isn't addressed by Sam or the next man we can only hope for mid-table football. Are you trying to say Viduka is twice as slow as everyone else? If the team stopped kicking the ball at his head or 15 yard infront of him Viduka wouldn't be wasted, he's lazy but he's got some skill. Look at that back heal dink he played the other night to Duff, if he of pulled the trigger it would of been a great attempt on goal, instead he wait and had it taken off his toe. What was terrible about Milner's peformance against citeh was he played the full ninety minutes on the right and had probably his worse game this season. Why the fuck, regardless of what side he plays on, does he feel the need to turn inside of his defender? It is the easiest job for a defender to turn inside, the ball is passing the front of them, on their natural foot and tackle!!! Whereas, go round them and they have to use their weaker foot and also maintain balance and then accelerate to catch the player going past them. It's fucking school boys level football. I wasn't knocking Viduka's skill, and much like Kluivert who was never played the way he should have been, he needs it to feet in and around the box like Bergkamp/Kanu to make use of what he has to offer. I was just adding Viduka to the list of midfield and attacking players who lack pace =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big TRon 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 What was terrible about Milner's peformance against citeh was he played the full ninety minutes on the right and had probably his worse game this season. Why the fuck, regardless of what side he plays on, does he feel the need to turn inside of his defender?It is the easiest job for a defender to turn inside, the ball is passing the front of them, on their natural foot and tackle!!! Whereas, go round them and they have to use their weaker foot and also maintain balance and then accelerate to catch the player going past them. It's fucking school boys level football. Milner's not quick enough to go on the outside, that's why he invariably cuts in. Watch Zog and how he usues the option to burst past on the outside on occasions. You'll never see Milner do that, and if he tries, he gets caught and disposessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 He's slow as anything, and I quite like the lad. I see him more as a squad player here than getting into the England squad. I can think of several players ahead of him in the pecking order for the wing berths for the national team. i know he's young but I don't think there's a great deal more to come from him. He can play better than he has this season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 He's slow as anything, and I quite like the lad. I see him more as a squad player here than getting into the England squad. I can think of several players ahead of him in the pecking order for the wing berths for the national team. i know he's young but I don't think there's a great deal more to come from him. He can play better than he has this season though. Needs an alice band and blue boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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