Newcastle United vs. Manchester City

[sammynb 3623]

Are you suggesting that we should have given Souness and Roeder more time ?

 

We don't sack too soon, we just appoint the wrong man.

 

We appointed the right man this time, but then our club changed hands and the financial situation changed considerably. We were set for a very tight few years and I think we went for a manager who could get us back on the road slowly- perhaps this is no longer the intention of the new ownership who may choose to put in considerable funds and expect some results to go with it.

Hallefuckinglujah, that's exactly what I've been saying for a while now.

 

To all those Allardyce supporters a question for you.

With the way the team is currently playing, the fact that Allardyce isn't a "name" manager, the media speculation about the rubbish football he has the team playing and our current league position, who do you think would honestly want to sign for him in the January transfer window?

 

As someone mentioned yesterday, why would Deco want to come to an average club with a shite manager. Add to that list Gudjohsen, Anelka, Arshavin, Brown and any player with a bit of talent and ambition. Even with the possibility of paying Owen like wages, decent players, the level we should be trying for, won't want to play for Newcastle.

Just like Bolton the only players available to us will be aging players looking for that last pay day and the Barton/Dioufs of the world, shitbags that no-one else wants.

Is that what you want for this club Mort/Ashley?

[The Fish 11042]

To be fair mate I don't think it'd matter who we had at the helm, the reputation that this club has is a mockery of the image that we hold of it. We still think we should be up there fighting it out with the Evertons of this world, when, in reality, we are mid-table and should adjust our expectations to match that. I'm not saying we'll never be up there, but I can't honestly see it happening in the next 2 or three seasons, can you?

 

Players we've signed have not been in it for the club, but then which successful club can actually boast that? Sam has a history of getting the best out of average/mercenary players... probably why Shepherd appointed him. Ashley may have wished to inherit someone else, but this is our man for now. I don't think he'll last the season because people have massive expectations and only God or Spiderman could deliver on those expectations.

 

and no, your expectations are not "wanting the right tactics, the right players in the right positions", those are only symptoms of the greater problem. You want European competition now, you want entertaining, you want big players and you want to leave St James' with a smile on your face. Well I'm sorry, I don't think that we're going to enjoy that sunny day til we get through this rather murky night. I mean who's to say even Mourinho could fix this? If he came in he'd be playing dour defensive football, but without the massive manpower, budgetary and geographical benefits.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* when I say "you" I'm not talking about you specifically

[Tom 14021]

Man City must of only had three or four chances and converted two of them, we had a good opening 25 minutes but as soon as we conceded i allmost knew that it wasn't going to be our day

 

Man City fans were fairly loud which is easy when you winning like, ''Joey Barton Can you hear us in your cell?'' etc etc.

 

I thought Duff looked fairly good too like, Enrique shouldve been on from the start etc etc

[LeazesMag 0]

I don't think Roeder damaged us at all, we just treaded midfield water. But we got rid of him at the right time, and that's hopefully what we'll do with Allardyce.

 

It would be nice to get a few results if not for points, but to get us through the January with speculation receding and at least give the chance for the board to decide whether to terminate his contract in the summer. We'd have time to think about the options available.

 

If we go all kneejerk and appoint Shearer I'd be over the bloody edge.

 

sensible post alert.

 

I'd like to say that I thought that now the fat bastard has gone, we wouldn't be embarrassed any more, would be better for not making these trophy signinings and would be heading towards qualifying for the CL again as it was all their fault that we didn't do it all the time.

 

But I can't. I'm just too pissed off.

 

Too many players have proved they just aren't good enough. Zoggy is the only player NUFC have who would challenge for a place in the top 4 teams.

 

having said that, I like Faye in central midfield and I like Beye at right back of the new players. And Taylor has potential, I think he is at least the equal of Moncur at the same age, and I know he has made some mistakes, but he's young. Rozenhal has faded after a bright start, I think he may be one of those players that Barton was talking about when he made the comments about players being afraid. Barton has been a massive disappointment, his whole career is now at a crossroads.

 

Enrique looks steady, he might be a good player when of if he becomes more regular. Owen will be on his bike. No other forward would be at the club if it was up to me, apart from Smith but only playing up front alongside a prolific goalscorer.

 

I haven't got a clue what the club can do now, well I do, but I didn't expect Allardyce to look so clueless to be honest. He is going to have to raise his game considerably to avoid the bullet. Can he do it ? I have huge doubts. I've no idea who Ashley and Mort will replace him with, but I suppose from the day they do this, then their time starts from then. How they do depends completely who they appoint and how they back him. BOTH of these things.

[The Fish 11042]

decent post.... fucking pains me to say it though

[Matt 0]

I'm just amazed by some of the reaction tonight. The result was poor and the last half hour we looked sloppy but we played more football in the first half than we had in the last month.

[sammynb 3623]

I'm just amazed by some of the reaction tonight. The result was poor and the last half hour we looked sloppy but we played more football in the first half than we had in the last month.

 

But the game of football doesn't stop at the edge of the opposition's penalty box - Newcastle's game does!

Players tripping over each other not to shoot, scuffing shots so it trickles to the keeper, no-one attacking the ball or trying to put in that extra yard to get to it. Toothless.

[Tribal 0]

Citeh are in control and you can see they could step it up any minute.

 

We have no idea!and Martins is a disgrace to the shirt,along with a few others but he stands out after his performance here.

 

Fuck off man.

[sammynb 3623]

Citeh are in control and you can see they could step it up any minute.

 

We have no idea!and Martins is a disgrace to the shirt,along with a few others but he stands out after his performance here.

 

Fuck off man.

 

Really crimson?

I never picked you as a Martins fan.

Hopefully the African cup of nations will do him some good, get him away from the clueless manager, get his confidence back up and help him find his goal scoring touch again. Can't see it though, unfortunately he's more likely to go awol.

[Tribal 0]

Citeh are in control and you can see they could step it up any minute.

 

We have no idea!and Martins is a disgrace to the shirt,along with a few others but he stands out after his performance here.

 

Fuck off man.

 

Really crimson?

I never picked you as a Martins fan.

Hopefully the African cup of nations will do him some good, get him away from the clueless manager, get his confidence back up and help him find his goal scoring touch again. Can't see it though, unfortunately he's more likely to go awol.

 

He's hot and cold, but no way a disgrace to the shirt.

[bassplayerjj 0]

could have been a whole different result if the officials had done their job just like at Stamford Bridge a few days ago =/

 

Talking about the Onouha foul on Duff which should have resulted in his sending off and not offside to Duff who was clearly onside imo.

 

Things just aren't going for us. We aren't playing well but cmon, luck is such an important factor in this game, heck if it wasn't for luck Man Utd wouldn't have won the treble.

 

Let's just hope that in 2008 the players show more fight and resilience and we get some more run of the ball, with or without Allardyce in the job.

Edited January 3, 2008 by bassplayerjj

[sammynb 3623]

Talking about the Onouha foul on Duff which should have resulted in his sending off and not offside to Duff who was clearly onside imo.

 

It was never a send off, at worse a yellow card but there was no way in hell he would of been sent off.

[bassplayerjj 0]

Talking about the Onouha foul on Duff which should have resulted in his sending off and not offside to Duff who was clearly onside imo.

 

It was never a send off, at worse a yellow card but there was no way in hell he would of been sent off.

 

wasn't he last man and it was a goal-scoring opportunity? I don't agree that it should warrant a sending off but the rules say so don't they? I've seen many instances where this rule has been applied, Zat Knight vs Chelsea not long ago for example.

[sammynb 3623]

Talking about the Onouha foul on Duff which should have resulted in his sending off and not offside to Duff who was clearly onside imo.

 

It was never a send off, at worse a yellow card but there was no way in hell he would of been sent off.

 

wasn't he last man and it was a goal-scoring opportunity? I don't agree that it should warrant a sending off but the rules say so don't they? I've seen many instances where this rule has been applied, Zat Knight vs Chelsea not long ago for example.

 

It was so borderline with Duff being to the left of the goal and the rest of the defence being central although a yard behind that it wouldn;t of been given as last man or goal scoring, it's not as if he was front and centre of the goal.

Referees only give those decisions to the "big" clubs.

Mind you Allardyce in his post game interview has said the following, so obviously it's not his fault as from nufc.com.

There were some really defining moments that unfortunately ended up going against us. First and foremost is not converting some great play and some great chances in the first half.

 

"I thought Elano's tackle was a straight red card, there was no question about that. It was reckless, dangerous, career-threatening and not dealt with.

 

"It may sound like excuses, but it is a turning point in the game. And then the referee looks like he's given a foul from Nedum Onuoha on Damien Duff, and then he sees the linesman with his flag up. But that didn't look offside, he looked level when it was played.

 

"That defining moment, yet again, has changed it around because straight from the free-kick Manchester City have gone 1-0 up.

 

"It could have all been so different if we'd put one in the back of the net or if some of those decisions went in our favour rather than against us.

 

"The pressure still mounts, even with that support, and it mounts on us all, particularly me, because we've lost a game of football at St James' we shouldn't have lost but we have.

 

"That's a big worry for us at the moment. What should have been a point at Chelsea and something here is now three defeats on the trot and again, the pressure grows.

 

"A team like us shouldn't be losing at home particularly and shouldn't be losing three on the trot.

 

"It's a low moment for us all but we've all got to stick together and believe that how we played tonight will get us out of trouble and that starts at Stoke City in the FA Cup.

 

"We've got an extremely tough month with the games coming up so we've got to keep believing, and keep trying to play the right way and keep trying to get the results that some of the performances deserve.

[Gemmill 46864]

I love how a lot of the posts in this thread claim that poor wickle Obafemi is just "lacking confidence". Anything to avoid having to admit that he's just not up to the task.

[sammynb 3623]

I love how a lot of the posts in this thread claim that poor wickle Obafemi is just "lacking confidence". Anything to avoid having to admit that he's just not up to the task.

Problem is Scott, he's one of our three strikers that can actually score a goal!

[Dr Gloom 22395]

that Shearer pic. Seriously though, I think he would have a lot of things going for him if he was made manager.

 

yeah, you're probably right what with all his experience.

 

mourinho is a no brainer. can't see him fancying it in a million years mind.

[sammynb 3623]

that Shearer pic. Seriously though, I think he would have a lot of things going for him if he was made manager.

 

yeah, you're probably right what with all his experience.

 

mourinho is a no brainer. can't see him fancying it in a million years mind.

 

See I can for the fact he's the sort of person that would take pleasure in showing the Abramovich's and the English media that he can be successful at another club.

Although he had success before Chelsea at lot of people's short memories still attribute his success to the dirty russian dollars.

[Tooj 17]

I'm just amazed by some of the reaction tonight. The result was poor and the last half hour we looked sloppy but we played more football in the first half than we had in the last month.

I'm not anymore, that's half the problem, you expect this sort of reaction now of the majority off our 'fans' and it does us no favours at all.

[JawD 99]

Ill say again that we had a good first half. We played some good football and had some great chances that we perhaps should have taken better.

 

Just the second half went to shit. For some reason the players in the second half often looked jaded / heavy legged.

 

While hindsight is a wonder, I think if Owen was on for Martins from the start we'd have been winning at half time.

 

As for Martins, he is no disgrace, just seems to give up to easy and and is very hot/cold as has been said. Very frustrating at times. Shame like, Ive nowt against the bloke. After a great start when he came here, he doesnt seem to have progressed.

[wykikitoon 21236]

Ill say again that we had a good first half. We played some good football and had some great chances that we perhaps should have taken better.

 

Just the second half went to shit. For some reason the players in the second half often looked jaded / heavy legged.

 

While hindsight is a wonder, I think if Owen was on for Martins from the start we'd have been winning at half time.

 

As for Martins, he is no disgrace, just seems to give up to easy and and is very hot/cold as has been said. Very frustrating at times. Shame like, Ive nowt against the bloke. After a great start when he came here, he doesnt seem to have progressed.

 

Its after BSA team talk.

 

"Kick it long and run onto it, errrrr Zog you play in goal, Shay, keep working hard up front. Anelka get your first touch right blah, blah, blah"

[Guest alex]

I thought it was an ok performance with the formation and team selection being pretty much spot on, bar one or two debatable decisions. I also thought the manager brought the right subs on at more or less the right time. The big difference between the two sides were 1) They were more clinical and 2) They are far more solid defensively - especially in the middle. Man City are a canny side though, despite not winning away since the first match of the season until last night. What I do find annoying though is that if we'd deployed this sort of side and formation throughout the season we'd have been at least half a dozen points better off by now imo.

[JawD 99]

I agree the formation looked good to begin with. I was impressed with Faye as well. Would be nice if Sam kept some stability in the side (same thing everyone is asking for in his own position!), though of course this wont be possible with three of the starters off for the nations cup.

[LeazesMag 0]

Citeh are in control and you can see they could step it up any minute.

 

We have no idea!and Martins is a disgrace to the shirt,along with a few others but he stands out after his performance here.

 

Fuck off man.

 

Really crimson?

I never picked you as a Martins fan.

Hopefully the African cup of nations will do him some good, get him away from the clueless manager, get his confidence back up and help him find his goal scoring touch again. Can't see it though, unfortunately he's more likely to go awol.

 

He's hot and cold, but no way a disgrace to the shirt.

 

yes I agree with that assessment of him.

[Guest alex]

Not convinced Martins is the answer, or ever will be, but he's struggling with his confidence imo and he is definitely what I'd call a 'confidence player'.