Jimbo 175 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Scotland has been named the most violent country in the developed world. A United Nations report claims more than 2,000 Scots are assaulted every week - almost 10 times official police figures. The study - which does not include figures for murder, muggings or sexual assaults - claims that together, England and Wales are the second most dangerous countries. Experts say Britain's heavy-drinking habits are to blame. The UN claims the attacks have been fuelled by a "booze and blades" culture in the west of Scotland with the worst offenders being males aged between 15 and 25. Violent crime has doubled in the country over the past 20 years to a level comparable with crime-ridden cities like Rio de Janeiro. By contrast, Japan was named in the UN report as the least violent nation, followed by Italy and Portugal. Only 0.1% of Japanese have been victims of assault compared with 3% of Scots, 2.8% in England and Wales, and 2% in America. The study is based on phone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries. UN spokesman Jan Van Dijk said: "Our survey is more accurate than the official figures because there is a huge proportion of crimes that go unreported. "We have seen a trend in Scotland and the proportion has almost doubled since 1989 and risen 1.9% in 1996. This is very significant and is a clear upward trend." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 nothing new there then.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Not that surprising, neither is the fact that England and Wales is right behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Did anyone see the documentary the other night on the Glasgow 'hoods'? The main guy they were talking to (can't remember his name) was just like someone you would have next door! He didn't appear anything dangerous, yet the stories associated with him and the people he knows (or knew considering how many people have been executed) were truly frightening imo. Scary stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Did anyone see the documentary the other night on the Glasgow 'hoods'? The main guy they were talking to (can't remember his name) was just like someone you would have next door! He didn't appear anything dangerous, yet the stories associated with him and the people he knows (or knew considering how many people have been executed) were truly frightening imo. Scary stuff. 35034[/snapback] Had it been on before and was it that Irish undercover bloke who did it? If it was, I remember watching it and they were interviewing these right nutcases in a pub. It was then I realised it was the pub I was drinking in before we played Celtic in the pre-season game a couple of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Did anyone see the documentary the other night on the Glasgow 'hoods'? The main guy they were talking to (can't remember his name) was just like someone you would have next door! He didn't appear anything dangerous, yet the stories associated with him and the people he knows (or knew considering how many people have been executed) were truly frightening imo. Scary stuff. 35034[/snapback] Had it been on before and was it that Irish undercover bloke who did it? If it was, I remember watching it and they were interviewing these right nutcases in a pub. It was then I realised it was the pub I was drinking in before we played Celtic in the pre-season game a couple of years ago. 35038[/snapback] Donal McIntyre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Violence goes hand in hand with alcohol culture and a lack of respect for authority. As much as I believe in a socially fair society, I believe a period of zero-tolerance discipline is required. If David Davis becomes the next Tory leader (as I believe he will), he could do very well at the next general election on a "give us back our streets" campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleftpeg 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Did anyone see the documentary the other night on the Glasgow 'hoods'? The main guy they were talking to (can't remember his name) was just like someone you would have next door! He didn't appear anything dangerous, yet the stories associated with him and the people he knows (or knew considering how many people have been executed) were truly frightening imo. Scary stuff. 35034[/snapback] Had it been on before and was it that Irish undercover bloke who did it? If it was, I remember watching it and they were interviewing these right nutcases in a pub. It was then I realised it was the pub I was drinking in before we played Celtic in the pre-season game a couple of years ago. 35038[/snapback] Donal McIntyre? 35042[/snapback] Aye, that's the bloke. He did a series of documentarys on local gangsters. The one in Manchester was canny good, the bloke who runs the firm was a little fat gay bloke. There's hope for us all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 (edited) Violence goes hand in hand with alcohol culture and a lack of respect for authority. As much as I believe in a socially fair society, I believe a period of zero-tolerance discipline is required. If David Davis becomes the next Tory leader (as I believe he will), he could do very well at the next general election on a "give us back our streets" campaign. 35044[/snapback] Starting with London Edited September 19, 2005 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Violence goes hand in hand with alcohol culture and a lack of respect for authority. As much as I believe in a socially fair society, I believe a period of zero-tolerance discipline is required. If David Davis becomes the next Tory leader (as I believe he will), he could do very well at the next general election on a "give us back our streets" campaign. 35044[/snapback] Starting with London 35071[/snapback] In my experience, the bar culture and public transport in London is much safer than it seems in Newcastle. That's true of my home town in the south too though. Violence like that seems to be more common in smaller towns. There's a lot more gun crime in London than Newcastle, but it's very contained. Not that that makes it acceptable, but mostly it's gang-related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 (edited) Violence goes hand in hand with alcohol culture and a lack of respect for authority. As much as I believe in a socially fair society, I believe a period of zero-tolerance discipline is required. If David Davis becomes the next Tory leader (as I believe he will), he could do very well at the next general election on a "give us back our streets" campaign. 35044[/snapback] Starting with London 35071[/snapback] In my experience, the bar culture and public transport in London is much safer than it seems in Newcastle. That's true of my home town in the south too though. Violence like that seems to be more common in smaller towns. There's a lot more gun crime in London than Newcastle, but it's very contained. Not that that makes it acceptable, but mostly it's gang-related. 35085[/snapback] It was a tongue in cheek comment but I'd be very surprised if London is any less violent than Newcastle and if the tube is any more safe than the Metro. I'm basing this on anecdotal evidence from people I know who live in London and when I've been on the tube late at night myself. I would also imagine mugging is more common in London. It's very difficult to compare two places that are so different in their layout and size though. Perhaps you just feel safer when you know the area well though. Edited September 19, 2005 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Like all places depends where and when you are in certain places I 've always felt that Glasgow was a tough spot and Leith Docks used to be really frightening before it was gentrified - but then the Quayside at N Shields in the days of the "Jungle Tropicana Bar" was no place for anyone after dark........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 It was a tongue in cheek comment but I'd be very surprised if London is any less violent than Newcastle and if the tube is any more safe than the Metro. I'm basing this on anecdotal evidence from people I know who live in London and when I've been on the tube late at night myself. I would also imagine mugging is more common in London. It's very difficult to compare two places that are so different in their layout and size though. Perhaps you just feel safer when you know the area well though. 35095[/snapback] Just my experience, though to be fair, in London, it's easier to avoid the bad areas as it's so much bigger. The tube though is a relatively safe place and there are a lot of staff. Still, the point about brawling IS true. It seems much more likely in Newcastle than out and about in central London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 It was a tongue in cheek comment but I'd be very surprised if London is any less violent than Newcastle and if the tube is any more safe than the Metro. I'm basing this on anecdotal evidence from people I know who live in London and when I've been on the tube late at night myself. I would also imagine mugging is more common in London. It's very difficult to compare two places that are so different in their layout and size though. Perhaps you just feel safer when you know the area well though. 35095[/snapback] Just my experience, though to be fair, in London, it's easier to avoid the bad areas as it's so much bigger. The tube though is a relatively safe place and there are a lot of staff. Still, the point about brawling IS true. It seems much more likely in Newcastle than out and about in central London. 35106[/snapback] In the centre that's true but late, outside the Circle line can be a bit.... quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 It was a tongue in cheek comment but I'd be very surprised if London is any less violent than Newcastle and if the tube is any more safe than the Metro. I'm basing this on anecdotal evidence from people I know who live in London and when I've been on the tube late at night myself. I would also imagine mugging is more common in London. It's very difficult to compare two places that are so different in their layout and size though. Perhaps you just feel safer when you know the area well though. 35095[/snapback] Just my experience, though to be fair, in London, it's easier to avoid the bad areas as it's so much bigger. The tube though is a relatively safe place and there are a lot of staff. Still, the point about brawling IS true. It seems much more likely in Newcastle than out and about in central London. 35106[/snapback] Well, you should have said Central London then shouldn't you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 It was a tongue in cheek comment but I'd be very surprised if London is any less violent than Newcastle and if the tube is any more safe than the Metro. I'm basing this on anecdotal evidence from people I know who live in London and when I've been on the tube late at night myself. I would also imagine mugging is more common in London. It's very difficult to compare two places that are so different in their layout and size though. Perhaps you just feel safer when you know the area well though. 35095[/snapback] Just my experience, though to be fair, in London, it's easier to avoid the bad areas as it's so much bigger. The tube though is a relatively safe place and there are a lot of staff. Still, the point about brawling IS true. It seems much more likely in Newcastle than out and about in central London. 35106[/snapback] Well, you should have said Central London then shouldn't you 35118[/snapback] Ok, fair point! BUT, if you include the outskirts of Newcastle, I think the picture gets even worse... Maybe it's familiarity but feck, there are places in Newcastle that make me want my mummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 It was a tongue in cheek comment but I'd be very surprised if London is any less violent than Newcastle and if the tube is any more safe than the Metro. I'm basing this on anecdotal evidence from people I know who live in London and when I've been on the tube late at night myself. I would also imagine mugging is more common in London. It's very difficult to compare two places that are so different in their layout and size though. Perhaps you just feel safer when you know the area well though. 35095[/snapback] Just my experience, though to be fair, in London, it's easier to avoid the bad areas as it's so much bigger. The tube though is a relatively safe place and there are a lot of staff. Still, the point about brawling IS true. It seems much more likely in Newcastle than out and about in central London. 35106[/snapback] Well, you should have said Central London then shouldn't you 35118[/snapback] Ok, fair point! BUT, if you include the outskirts of Newcastle, I think the picture gets even worse... Maybe it's familiarity but feck, there are places in Newcastle that make me want my mummy. 35156[/snapback] And Hackney doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Like I say, familiarity. I had my studio in Hackney for a while, and it was certainly a bit shady, but I felt like I'd be ok. You're right, there are areas of London that are very scary. Maybe I feel that in Newcastle, everywhere is a bit intimidating? It seems that the different cultures are too close together, so it's harder to avoid the trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 It was a tongue in cheek comment but I'd be very surprised if London is any less violent than Newcastle and if the tube is any more safe than the Metro. I'm basing this on anecdotal evidence from people I know who live in London and when I've been on the tube late at night myself. I would also imagine mugging is more common in London. It's very difficult to compare two places that are so different in their layout and size though. Perhaps you just feel safer when you know the area well though. 35095[/snapback] Just my experience, though to be fair, in London, it's easier to avoid the bad areas as it's so much bigger. The tube though is a relatively safe place and there are a lot of staff. Still, the point about brawling IS true. It seems much more likely in Newcastle than out and about in central London. 35106[/snapback] Well, you should have said Central London then shouldn't you 35118[/snapback] Ok, fair point! BUT, if you include the outskirts of Newcastle, I think the picture gets even worse... Maybe it's familiarity but feck, there are places in Newcastle that make me want my mummy. 35156[/snapback] I think that Kaiser Chiefs song sums it up perfectly - Saturday night. To be honest, I hate to agree with AF, but I think he's got a point. Newcastle is going right down hill, it's focusing on drink far too much. The result? Pissed up hen parties, charvers, psychos and lunatics. I like a drink as much as the next man, but it has got way out of control and I don't blame people being frightened about it. As for the metro compared to the underground, it is far, far worse. I'm not just talking about my Friday night experience, I have witnessed violence on it on dozens of occasions, it's a nightmare. I challenge anyone to get the metro to the coast on a saturday night completley sober and not shit themselves. So, I think it is a sad but fair comment to say Newcastle is one of the most violent cities in the UK, and is sadly going downhill. Something really needs to be done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Like I say, familiarity. I had my studio in Hackney for a while, and it was certainly a bit shady, but I felt like I'd be ok. You're right, there are areas of London that are very scary. Maybe I feel that in Newcastle, everywhere is a bit intimidating? It seems that the different cultures are too close together, so it's harder to avoid the trouble? 35163[/snapback] There are good areas though, where there is a more relaxed atmosphere. Sadly, these seem to be disappearing at an alarming rate - witness the demise of Jesmond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Any mention of where Ireland is on that list? I might just have to and find that report but I reckon it's ranking close behind the UK. Surprised to see Italy doing so well, for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 When I was a lad I can remember fights just about every night in the city centre - there were very few bars cp now and they were ROUGH ever go in to the Spit & Vomit (Victoria & Comet) across from the Central??? fight guaranteed every night at 8:00 pm Sheilfield was tough but mainly local people hitting other local people The quay was totally no go - and as for Gateshead or the Scotswood Road............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Like all places depends where and when you are in certain places I 've always felt that Glasgow was a tough spot and Leith Docks used to be really frightening before it was gentrified - but then the Quayside at N Shields in the days of the "Jungle Tropicana Bar" was no place for anyone after dark........... 35103[/snapback] Nobles was a good haunt when the dancing girls were there, pre 'gentrification' Big bruvver got chinned in The Jungle one time for standing next to the juke box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 To be fair, the worst place I've been to was on the outskirts of Middlesbrough. There were bars in the Chip shop to protect the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 I think that Kaiser Chiefs song sums it up perfectly - Saturday night. What about, Down in the Tubestation at Midnight - The Jam? 'I first felt a fist and then a kick, I could now smell their breath. They smelt of pubs, and Wormword scrubs and too many right-wing meetings.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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