Newcastle must give Allardyce time

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Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4086]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

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Sam's just been on SSN with his "stop Arsenal playing" mantra - I know it may be realistic but I'd love to ask him at what stage would he change.

 

If he had Liverpool or Man U's present squad would he still approach games against who ever the best side is in the same way?

 

If the answer is yes then I know he's the wrong man for the job.

[Guest alex]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

Bruce did a canny job at Birmingham imo.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4086]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

Bruce did a canny job at Birmingham imo.

 

What did he win?

[Guest alex]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

Bruce did a canny job at Birmingham imo.

 

What did he win?

Before I answer, you are taking the piss, right?

[Ketsbaia 0]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

Bruce did a canny job at Birmingham imo.

 

What did he win?

 

Fuck off

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4086]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

Bruce did a canny job at Birmingham imo.

 

What did he win?

Before I answer, you are taking the piss, right?

 

No I am not in 6 years in charge he has won nothing. Where does that show consistency gets results?

[Ketsbaia 0]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

Bruce did a canny job at Birmingham imo.

 

What did he win?

Before I answer, you are taking the piss, right?

 

No I am not in 6 years in charge he has won nothing. Where does that show consistency gets results?

 

Maybe if they were actually real challengers for trophies anyway you'd have a point, but they weren't so i'll say it again...

 

Fuck off

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I said I thought he did a canny job. I do. Birmingham had been trying to get into the top flight for ages before he managed them. I think you can only measure how a manager does relative to the recent(-ish) history of that club. I think Bruce is a bad example of how sticking with the same manager isn't always a good thing, which I presume is what you were trying to say. I'm not a big fan of his or anything however.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4086]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

Bruce did a canny job at Birmingham imo.

 

What did he win?

Before I answer, you are taking the piss, right?

 

No I am not in 6 years in charge he has won nothing. Where does that show consistency gets results?

 

Maybe if they were actually real challengers for trophies anyway you'd have a point, but they weren't so i'll say it again...

 

Fuck off

 

Good argument well done. When Sam took over were we challengers for anything? Birmingham has a population of 2,284,065 est even with 3 teams in the local it gives them about as big a support base as us. Plus they have been succesful in the past. So again why does consistency guarantee success?

[manc-mag 1]

In all seriousness it has to stop with the patronising 'Newcastle fans imaptient/rapid turnover of managers not good/other fans more patient and reap rewards' bollocks now tbh.

 

The suggestion that fans of Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc are more patient is laughable and/or a pointless comparison as i) the experiences of those fans cannot be compared to ours and ii) moreover, the fans do not run the football club. At best you could say Man U, Liverpool, Arse fans probably have more faith in their respective boards (with good reason), but beyond that the comparisons are meaningless.

 

It pays to remember that even amongst our more settled managers over the past 10 years of 'relative success' for the club, (Keegan/Robson), we've still won a combined total of zero trophies. Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal would all have got shut in those circumstances and anyone who tries to tell me different has zero credibility in my eyes.

 

The club looks like its got a decent owner at long last. It pays to remember that BSA is not his appointment, however this notwithstanding BSA will probably still get a fair chance. In the meantime however, what the fans say/think etc is fucking irrelevant and if theres pressure on him then so fucking what as I'll tell you what, it's fuck all compared with the weight of expectation on any of the managers of the other three aforementioned clubs.

 

At the end of the day it's just the same media cunts jealous that theres still 50-odd thousand people tipping up to watch us achieve shit, week in week out. Those who support successful clubs really only ever struggle to answer themselves one question and that is how 'great' would they/their club really be if the shit hit the fan and they were staring down the barrell of decades of drought. Winning a trophy every other season is obviously fucking brilliant, but in some odd sort of way it devalues their credentials as fans as their loyalty is never truly tested. Plus they know that when it even begins to get tested, they're no different to any other fan; no more virtuous, no more patient, no more capable of dispassionate reason. They're wanting the manager out just like anyone else, they just tend to be fortunate theyve got a better board making better decisions for them. By attacking toon fans on this front it basically allows them to massage a part of their ego that clearly isn't quite what they'd like it to be. No more, no less.

[zico martin 90]

Newcastle must give Allardyce time

 

by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport

 

Sam Allardyce knew he was in for a fight when he tackled the footballing monster that is Newcastle United - but he could not have expected to be taking so many blows so quickly.

 

Allardyce was used to continuity and affection during seven years' outstanding work at Bolton Wanderers.

 

Now, just 14 Premier League games into his Newcastle reign, he is wrestling with discontent among fans, reports of player unrest, and a wretched run of results that has sent them tumbling down the table.

 

Throw in the sub-plot that he was not the managerial choice of new Newcastle owner Mike Ashley, and you can see why it is perceived that Allardyce is on shifting sands at St James' Park.

 

I have no particular brief for Allardyce. He does not encourage, or demand, sympathy.

 

And it is clear many, including peers such as Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Liverpool counterpart Rafa Benitez, do not hold him in massive regard.

 

He produced a team that was successful, if not exactly pleasing on the eye, at Bolton.

 

Allardyce's approval of his team's physical style rattled the cages of more illustrious opponents - but he was in a winning business not a popularity contest.

 

It was this perceived lack of style, and what many regarded as a basic long-ball approach, that ensured his appointment was greeted with suspicion by many Newcastle fans.

 

It is a feeling that has only grown in recent weeks, with Allardyce's methods coming under scrutiny again as Newcastle struggle for form.

 

Some have painted Wednesday's game with Premier League leaders Arsenal as Sam's last stand, with a defeat opening the door for Newcastle legend Alan Shearer to take the reins.

 

Even at a club that has specialised in high farce, that would be a ludicrous turn of events.

 

Knee-jerk would not cover it if Allardyce was sent packing merely months into his tenure - indeed it would be a prime example of the short-termism gripping English football.

 

If Allardyce was unravelling an unbroken tale of success at Newcastle, the anger on the terraces might be understandable.

 

He is, in fact, attempting to become the first manager to bring a major trophy to Tyneside since 1969.

 

Allardyce is trying to reverse a trend of consistent failure that has spanned almost 40 years.

 

And to deliver a definitive judgement on his efforts after seven months is nonsensical, even for Newcastle.

 

True, his signings have not been successful, with Mark Viduka and Alan Smith failing to deliver and defender Claudio Cacapa looking out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

But have Newcastle and their supporters learned nothing from their years of struggle?

 

The club's history is littered with managerial changes. It is not littered with success.

 

Get the connection?

 

A change of manager is no guarantee of a change of fortune and Allardyce must be given a fair chance - and 15 Premier League games maximum does not add up to a fair chance.

 

Gone are the days when questions would be asked about a manager if he went three years without success, but seven months is no time to decide if Allardyce can bring trophies back to Tyneside.

 

Allardyce, no doubt, faces a huge struggle to succeed because once you lose the faith of fans it is notoriously difficult to recapture.

 

But if Newcastle panic in coming weeks and fire Allardyce, it would be the latest in a series of ludicrous decisions and make the club a laughing stock - again.

 

I agree with the sentiment, but I just hate that patronising, Liverpool-supporting wanker McNulty. Caçapa "out of his depth in the Premier League", he must have seen less games than I have! He should stick to wanking over Liverpool.

 

 

And neither is sticking with the same manager. Birmingham were under Bruce for 6 years. (I think don't jump down my throat if I am wrong)

Bruce did a canny job at Birmingham imo.

 

What did he win?

Before I answer, you are taking the piss, right?

 

No I am not in 6 years in charge he has won nothing. Where does that show consistency gets results?

 

 

but birmingham dont really want to win something like we do, arent hey just happy to muddle by?

 

[Guest alex]

Good argument well done. When Sam took over were we challengers for anything? Birmingham has a population of 2,284,065 est even with 3 teams in the local it gives them about as big a support base as us. Plus they have been succesful in the past. So again why does consistency guarantee success?

When?

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4086]

Good argument well done. When Sam took over were we challengers for anything? Birmingham has a population of 2,284,065 est even with 3 teams in the local it gives them about as big a support base as us. Plus they have been succesful in the past. So again why does consistency guarantee success?

When?

 

 

In the 1800's and 1930's when were we successful?

[ewerk 31592]

Bruce didn't win anything with Brum so he must've been shite for them?

 

By the same logic then Allardyce must've been shite at Bolton.

[Tom 14021]

In all seriousness it has to stop with the patronising 'Newcastle fans imaptient/rapid turnover of managers not good/other fans more patient and reap rewards' bollocks now tbh.

 

The suggestion that fans of Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc are more patient is laughable and/or a pointless comparison as i) the experiences of those fans cannot be compared to ours and ii) moreover, the fans do not run the football club. At best you could say Man U, Liverpool, Arse fans probably have more faith in their respective boards (with good reason), but beyond that the comparisons are meaningless.

 

It pays to remember that even amongst our more settled managers over the past 10 years of 'relative success' for the club, (Keegan/Robson), we've still won a combined total of zero trophies. Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal would all have got shut in those circumstances and anyone who tries to tell me different has zero credibility in my eyes.

 

The club looks like its got a decent owner at long last. It pays to remember that BSA is not his appointment, however this notwithstanding BSA will probably still get a fair chance. In the meantime however, what the fans say/think etc is fucking irrelevant and if theres pressure on him then so fucking what as I'll tell you what, it's fuck all compared with the weight of expectation on any of the managers of the other three aforementioned clubs.

 

At the end of the day it's just the same media cunts jealous that theres still 50-odd thousand people tipping up to watch us achieve shit, week in week out. Those who support successful clubs really only ever struggle to answer themselves one question and that is how 'great' would they/their club really be if the shit hit the fan and they were staring down the barrell of decades of drought. Winning a trophy every other season is obviously fucking brilliant, but in some odd sort of way it devalues their credentials as fans as their loyalty is never truly tested. Plus they know that when it even begins to get tested, they're no different to any other fan; no more virtuous, no more patient, no more capable of dispassionate reason. They're wanting the manager out just like anyone else, they just tend to be fortunate theyve got a better board making better decisions for them. By attacking toon fans on this front it basically allows them to massage a part of their ego that clearly isn't quite what they'd like it to be. No more, no less.

 

 

QFT

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4086]

Bruce didn't win anything with Brum so he must've been shite for them?

 

By the same logic then Allardyce must've been shite at Bolton.

 

I see you're getting confused. What I said was he wasn't successful. How happy would we be with Allardyce's record at NUFC to be comparable to Bruse's record at Brum. What I was doing was pointing out the flaw in the argument that consistency = Success.

[Guest alex]

Good argument well done. When Sam took over were we challengers for anything? Birmingham has a population of 2,284,065 est even with 3 teams in the local it gives them about as big a support base as us. Plus they have been succesful in the past. So again why does consistency guarantee success?

When?

 

 

In the 1800's and 1930's when were we successful?

Not if you're defining success as winning things, which you seem to be doing. They've won one league cup. That's it.

[ewerk 31592]

Bruce didn't win anything with Brum so he must've been shite for them?

 

By the same logic then Allardyce must've been shite at Bolton.

 

I see you're getting confused. What I said was he wasn't successful. How happy would we be with Allardyce's record at NUFC to be comparable to Bruse's record at Brum. What I was doing was pointing out the flaw in the argument that consistency = Success.

 

I agree, the only reason people reckon that consistency equals success is because good managers keep their jobs and shite managers get sacked pretty sharpish.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4086]

Bruce didn't win anything with Brum so he must've been shite for them?

 

By the same logic then Allardyce must've been shite at Bolton.

 

I see you're getting confused. What I said was he wasn't successful. How happy would we be with Allardyce's record at NUFC to be comparable to Bruse's record at Brum. What I was doing was pointing out the flaw in the argument that consistency = Success.

 

I agree, the only reason people reckon that consistency equals success is because good managers keep their jobs and shite managers get sacked pretty sharpish.

 

I was trying to say that but seem to have failed miserably.

[Guest alex]

Bruce was successful though. Relatively. That's why I said he's a bad example.

[manc-mag 1]

Bruce is a bad example simply for the fact he has a face like a ballbag in the wind.

[sweetleftpeg 0]

I don't mind arguing amongst oursleves and listening to other fans opinions on Big Sam, but I can't stand MOTD only watching arseholes. Cacapa out of his depth? Fuck off.

[NJS 4446]

At the end of the day it's just the same media cunts jealous that theres still 50-odd thousand people tipping up to watch us achieve shit, week in week out. Those who support successful clubs really only ever struggle to answer themselves one question and that is how 'great' would they/their club really be if the shit hit the fan and they were staring down the barrell of decades of drought. Winning a trophy every other season is obviously fucking brilliant, but in some odd sort of way it devalues their credentials as fans as their loyalty is never truly tested. Plus they know that when it even begins to get tested, they're no different to any other fan; no more virtuous, no more patient, no more capable of dispassionate reason. They're wanting the manager out just like anyone else, they just tend to be fortunate theyve got a better board making better decisions for them. By attacking toon fans on this front it basically allows them to massage a part of their ego that clearly isn't quite what they'd like it to be. No more, no less.

 

I've always laughed at Old Firm fans having flags with "100% loyal" on them - apart from odd times when one or the other win everything its a fucking joke to think they've ever been tested on this score.

 

Rest of the post is pretty much spot on as well.